i'm actually operating under my official X-man moniker, Twotone. My costume had two colors....yellow on the front and red on the back. and i zapped lasers from a bright pink whistles at random people for doing idiotic things, like letting their dogs poop in others yards, driving with your blinker on, asking questions at the fast food drive-thru lane, and yelling at the referee after your kid kicked the crap out of somebody else (only during high school season, of course).

my point is, the players commit the fouls and the referee marks them, so the players have just as much control of the game as the referee does. ill give most of you that some referees have different foul "spidey-sensors", but it still doesnt absolve the player for his/her actions. this is life, you do something wrong, there is a consequence. in soccer, you commit a foul, ref blows the whistle (not before, only after). there's even a scale on which fouls are worse than another (=yellow or red card). maybe some parents could take these lessons back home from the pitch rather than making excuses for their kid during the game. teach that discipline and the player will understand that the foul he committed was a result of his action, not the referee's fault for noticing it. seems like common sense......

Wow. Thanks for the insightful espouse of the relationship between superheroes and referees (nod to topic). Which underscores the importance of controlling the emotion of the game (and players) before the need to issue cards (nod to post). Especially when two teams have a rivalrous relationship. Point being a referee can and does set the emotion of a game from the onset. That degree of control can be measured by the volume of cards issued during the match (yellow or red). The players are the game. The ref holds them in check (emotionally, physically, etc.).

More insightful is your deep seeded fascination with flying around in a brightly colored cape with a pink whistle and shooting lasers. Aren't you the naughty one!

finish1 wrote:

I used pushed up so far, all my friends were goalies. Hang around tell a few jokes, create a distraction, then boom, rip a hole in it.

Ahh yes, the glory days. Such fond memories of the dominance of our blurred past.

Refmike wrote:

Warmest regards,
Rm

RM, good to see you are hanging out in the latest soccer forum. I keep wondering where everyone else has gone. We get no updates from Tin on the latest Classic League rulings, nothing.

This place is dead...

gpoo wrote:

Refmike wrote:

Warmest regards,
Rm

RM, good to see you are hanging out in the latest soccer forum. I keep wondering where everyone else has gone. We get no updates from Tin on the latest Classic League rulings, nothing.

This place is dead...

Thanks GP. I really only get interested on this and the Grils forums when Referees are mentioned in the "new posts" list. Not nealy as much Ref bashing or parent Bashing as used to be on TM. I have tried unseccessfully to get a REferee section on here and on the girls sight 9kind of like the old "What's the Call" on TM), but no luck. Everybody seems to knwo the rules (LOTG) now, as ther are no longer any questins about puzzling calls either.
Rm

finish1 wrote:Wow. Thanks for the insightful espouse of the relationship between superheroes and referees (nod to topic). Which underscores the importance of controlling the emotion of the game (and players) before the need to issue cards (nod to post). Especially when two teams have a rivalrous relationship. Point being a referee can and does set the emotion of a game from the onset. That degree of control can be measured by the volume of cards issued during the match (yellow or red). The players are the game. The ref holds them in check (emotionally, physically, etc.).

More insightful is your deep seeded fascination with flying around in a brightly colored cape with a pink whistle and shooting lasers. Aren't you the naughty one!

F1,
We may be able to control teh physical actions of a 16 year old, but not the emotionas of them. if we could do that, don't you think we would also use that kind of super power at home? It would be a dream come true. I have "had a quiet word" and shown my wife the yellow card on numerous occasions, but it does not seem to calm her down.
Does this work for you at home or at work?
Rm ( Truth in advertising statement: The one hair on the emoticon is a highly optimistic self image).

gpoo wrote:

Refmike wrote:

Warmest regards,
Rm

RM, good to see you are hanging out in the latest soccer forum. I keep wondering where everyone else has gone. We get no updates from Tin on the latest Classic League rulings, nothing.

This place is dead...

Curious...what latest Classic League rulings?

happyfeet wrote:

gpoo wrote:

Refmike wrote:

Warmest regards,
Rm

RM, good to see you are hanging out in the latest soccer forum. I keep wondering where everyone else has gone. We get no updates from Tin on the latest Classic League rulings, nothing.

This place is dead...

Curious...what latest Classic League rulings?

Exactly, which is why we could use Tin's updates.

Tin, TIn, TIN!!!

finish, sometimes the players just want to kick the crap out of each other. it just happens like that. referees pay far less to rivalries than they should, but thats because they're refs and they shouldn't get caught up in the emotion of the game, no matter who stole which player from which coach in the past. if the players wanna beat on each other the entire game and get yellow and red cards rather than score goals, then so be it and hand them out all they want. but if they players wanna play with the ball and put it in the net, then by all means stay out of the way and let them do it. thats should be every referees main goal. but, like i said, sometimes the players decide they want to kick everything else except the ball and the referee has nothing to do with it and couldnt stop them if he wanted to call a halftime prayer meeting in the center circle. only players can control themselves and the refs manage them.

twotone wrote:finish, sometimes the players just want to kick the crap out of each other. it just happens like that. referees pay far less to rivalries than they should, but thats because they're refs and they shouldn't get caught up in the emotion of the game, no matter who stole which player from which coach in the past..

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only players can control themselves and the refs manage them.

I'm not interested in keeping this thing going, and the risk of just that I'll provide a sidebar and duck away.

The Refs don't know or care about the soccer teams they ref, they are there for a job. Teams can kill each other if they may, but the refs can only do what they are able and the rest is left up to human nature.

Another sidebar, as a parent of now 3 teenagers I can say human nature can take on a whole new meaning...

Sometimes parents expect the referee to go overboard in controlling a game. Soccer is a sport. It involves speed and sometimes contact. Too many times parents and even some referees think that a whistle should blow every time a player falls down because of the contact.

To me the referee's job is to maintain the appropriate "spirit of the game". The players are playing a game that has rules created to allow the game to be played in a somewhat predictable or consistent fashion. To me, a player getting shoved from behind while dribbling is not the same as two players both using their hands to gain advantage on a 50 ball. If both teams are physical without getting emotional about it, then the referee's cautions would be for the types of offenses that could lead to injury. Two many times, I have seen cards given for what I would call soccer.

As far as dissent, there should probably a clearer standard for consistency sake. I have seen players receive cautions for mildly asking a referee why there wasn't a foul called. I have also seen and heard players say WTF loud enough to be heard by parents with no call. I have also seen players jumping, yelling, and waving their hands with no call. I have a problem with having players sit out in a crucial game of the season for asking politely for a call when the other more verbally abusive types of dissent are allowed to slide by. I would prefer any dissent of any type over sometimes it's called and sometimes it isn't.

gpoo wrote:

finish1 wrote:

I used pushed up so far, all my friends were goalies. Hang around tell a few jokes, create a distraction, then boom, rip a hole in it.

Ahh yes, the glory days. Such fond memories of the dominance of our blurred past.

Ah, yes, age does have a way of meshing flavors for a smoother taste. The local paper blessed my net dominance with the issuance ot a title, "Golden Toe." How about you, Gpoo? What did the media have to say about your style of play?

Refmike wrote:

finish1 wrote:Wow. Thanks for the insightful espouse of the relationship between superheroes and referees (nod to topic). Which underscores the importance of controlling the emotion of the game (and players) before the need to issue cards (nod to post). Especially when two teams have a rivalrous relationship. Point being a referee can and does set the emotion of a game from the onset. That degree of control can be measured by the volume of cards issued during the match (yellow or red). The players are the game. The ref holds them in check (emotionally, physically, etc.).

More insightful is your deep seeded fascination with flying around in a brightly colored cape with a pink whistle and shooting lasers. Aren't you the naughty one!

F1,
We may be able to control teh physical actions of a 16 year old, but not the emotionas of them. if we could do that, don't you think we would also use that kind of super power at home? It would be a dream come true. I have "had a quiet word" and shown my wife the yellow card on numerous occasions, but it does not seem to calm her down.
Does this work for you at home or at work?
Rm ( Truth in advertising statement: The one hair on the emoticon is a highly optimistic self image).

Too bad their is a need for cards or superpowers. Might I recommend more physical play. Could lead to additional scoring opportunities.

gpoo wrote:

twotone wrote:finish, sometimes the players just want to kick the crap out of each other. it just happens like that. referees pay far less to rivalries than they should, but thats because they're refs and they shouldn't get caught up in the emotion of the game, no matter who stole which player from which coach in the past..

...

only players can control themselves and the refs manage them.

I'm not interested in keeping this thing going, and the risk of just that I'll provide a sidebar and duck away.

The Refs don't know or care about the soccer teams they ref, they are there for a job. Teams can kill each other if they may, but the refs can only do what they are able and the rest is left up to human nature.

Another sidebar, as a parent of now 3 teenagers I can say human nature can take on a whole new meaning...

oh, most refs surely care about the job they're doing and that the game is called fairly for both teams. but most refs dont usually care who wins or loses, or which 14 year old boy got duped into leaving his neighborhood friends for a bigger and better opportunity to play for the "enemy" from the other side of town. parents gossiping on message boards get into this much more than players, coaches, or refs do. Now, i will say that a referee should be able to feel the intensity of the game and how it changes from minute to minute, but this intensity can be for any reason, not for some rivalry thats been brewing for 4 years cuz a player got his bag stolen by another kid or the parents wanna blame this season's losses on the star player switching teams. refs dont care about that stuff and shouldnt. they should care about what happens in that match, not the drama behind it.

finish1 wrote:

gpoo wrote:

finish1 wrote:

I used pushed up so far, all my friends were goalies. Hang around tell a few jokes, create a distraction, then boom, rip a hole in it.

Ahh yes, the glory days. Such fond memories of the dominance of our blurred past.

Ah, yes, age does have a way of meshing flavors for a smoother taste. The local paper blessed my net dominance with the issuance ot a title, "Golden Toe." How about you, Gpoo? What did the media have to say about your style of play?

Ahh so you're a toe poker.

Me, I didn't take up the sport until my mid-30's and while I can toe poke with the best of'em, they ain't writing it up in the DMNz.

Understood. Btw-toe poking is to a CF what John Terry is to poo. If that's all you got, you stink.

finish1 wrote:Understood. Btw-toe poking is to a CF what John Terry is to poo. If that's all you got, you stink.

So sensitive you are.

I don't take this stuff too seriously, it's kids soccer after all. I just come around to banter. Besides what's wrong with Terry?

And for those that were wondering, why the heck was this post started in the HS/MS section??