afrankw wrote:

switch wrote:

FlatBack4 wrote:

soccer_08 wrote:Ayses with Sammy as the leader is a great club. I would contact him directly.

Hmmm..... Well, not "great". Ask to see the books.

What are trying to imply as it relates to Sammy & AYSES? While your at it, please enlighten me as to which clubs have open books that one could walk in the door, ask to see them and be obliged.

Most clubs are 501c not for profit and you can see their returns.

That's fair (somewhat). I didn't interpret the comment as "financial books=tax return" which makes it even more interesting as to what FlatBack4 is implying with his statement.

I may be totally off-base, but I think the context of Soccer_08's comments regarding AYSES as a great club was from a Sammy as DOC & AYSES as a development-centric club perspective. Maybe that is why they are seen more often in the older ranks and than the younger age groups.

switch wrote:

afrankw wrote:

switch wrote:

FlatBack4 wrote:

soccer_08 wrote:Ayses with Sammy as the leader is a great club. I would contact him directly.

Hmmm..... Well, not "great". Ask to see the books.

What are trying to imply as it relates to Sammy & AYSES? While your at it, please enlighten me as to which clubs have open books that one could walk in the door, ask to see them and be obliged.

Most clubs are 501c not for profit and you can see their returns.

That's fair (somewhat). I didn't interpret the comment as "financial books=tax return" which makes it even more interesting as to what FlatBack4 is implying with his statement.

I may be totally off-base, but I think the context of Soccer_08's comments regarding AYSES as a great club was from a Sammy as DOC & AYSES as a development-centric club perspective. Maybe that is why they are seen more often in the older ranks and than the younger age groups.

That and the competition is not what it was due to Academy from U16 up to u19.

Correct the needle. Academy takes away many of the best players but not all and creates super teams like FC Dallas Academy which has been the gold standard so far. TFC and AYSES who choose not to form academy teams still have their best players who choose not to play for the Academy teams although they were recruited. These players will do just fine landing college scholarships if that is what they want to do without the development academy experience.

THE NEEDLE wrote:

switch wrote:

afrankw wrote:

switch wrote:

FlatBack4 wrote:

soccer_08 wrote:Ayses with Sammy as the leader is a great club. I would contact him directly.

Hmmm..... Well, not "great". Ask to see the books.

What are trying to imply as it relates to Sammy & AYSES? While your at it, please enlighten me as to which clubs have open books that one could walk in the door, ask to see them and be obliged.

Most clubs are 501c not for profit and you can see their returns.

That's fair (somewhat). I didn't interpret the comment as "financial books=tax return" which makes it even more interesting as to what FlatBack4 is implying with his statement.

I may be totally off-base, but I think the context of Soccer_08's comments regarding AYSES as a great club was from a Sammy as DOC & AYSES as a development-centric club perspective. Maybe that is why they are seen more often in the older ranks and than the younger age groups.

That and the competition is not what it was due to Academy from U16 up to u19.

Needle, I am not disagreeing with you. Just want to understand more about the Academy. I have heard others make the same comment as it relates to the competitiveness in the older age groups in Classic League. I do not have a bb Club age so I haven't followed it that closely.

Isn't there only 4 North Texas Clubs that have Academy Teams? Texans, Solar, Andromeda, FCDallas

I thought an Academy Team spanned multiple age groups and there were maybe only 2 Academy Teams fielded from those 4 clubs (U15/16 & U17/18).

Do the teams carry such a large roster on those 8 teams that it impacts the competitiveness of the U15-U18 groups that significantly in Classic League(8 teams drawn from 4 age groups of talent in NTX)?

If what you say holds true, does that mean the talent pool in North Texas is that shallow?

switch wrote: Needle, I am not disagreeing with you. Just want to understand more about the Academy. I have heard others make the same comment as it relates to the competitiveness in the older age groups in Classic League. I do not have a bb Club age so I haven't followed it that closely.

Isn't there only 4 North Texas Clubs that have Academy Teams? Texans, Solar, Andromeda, FCDallas

I thought an Academy Team spanned multiple age groups and there were maybe only 2 Academy Teams fielded from those 4 clubs (U15/16 & U17/18).

Do the teams carry such a large roster on those 8 teams that it impacts the competitiveness of the U15-U18 groups that significantly in Classic League(8 teams drawn from 4 age groups of talent in NTX)?

If what you say holds true, does that mean the talent pool in North Texas is that shallow?

You have the correct basic assumptions for the Development Academy. So if you do the math, you'll see direct impact to the top teams per U15 and up age groups in D1. The DA rosters are up to 24 per team, so given that before DA the club rosters for U15-18 were a max of 18, you can see how this thins out the top end of D1. That is all Needle is pointing out.

afrankw wrote:

switch wrote:

FlatBack4 wrote:

soccer_08 wrote:Ayses with Sammy as the leader is a great club. I would contact him directly.

Hmmm..... Well, not "great". Ask to see the books.

What are trying to imply as it relates to Sammy & AYSES? While your at it, please enlighten me as to which clubs have open books that one could walk in the door, ask to see them and be obliged.

Most clubs are 501c not for profit and you can see their returns.

Texans are not.

Soccernovice wrote:Correct the needle. Academy takes away many of the best players but not all and creates super teams like FC Dallas Academy which has been the gold standard so far. TFC and AYSES who choose not to form academy teams still have their best players who choose not to play for the Academy teams although they were recruited. These players will do just fine landing college scholarships if that is what they want to do without the development academy experience.

Academy teams are by club invitation. Only 4 clubs in North Texas were invited and TFC and AYSES weren't among them. There is no choice involved.

Blitzed wrote:

Soccernovice wrote:Correct the needle. Academy takes away many of the best players but not all and creates super teams like FC Dallas Academy which has been the gold standard so far. TFC and AYSES who choose not to form academy teams still have their best players who choose not to play for the Academy teams although they were recruited. These players will do just fine landing college scholarships if that is what they want to do without the development academy experience.

Academy teams are by club invitation. Only 4 clubs in North Texas were invited and TFC and AYSES weren't among them. There is no choice involved.

Not so fast there...wasn't "Invitation Only" in the beginning when they were to trying to get it kick-started. I think there is a choice -- you "choose" to apply now or not

Right and to be frank some clubs, teams, and players are not interested in academy program except maybe to scrimmage those teams or play them in Dallas Cup or Showcase tournaments.

Blitzed wrote:

afrankw wrote:

switch wrote:

FlatBack4 wrote:

soccer_08 wrote:Ayses with Sammy as the leader is a great club. I would contact him directly.

Hmmm..... Well, not "great". Ask to see the books.

What are trying to imply as it relates to Sammy & AYSES? While your at it, please enlighten me as to which clubs have open books that one could walk in the door, ask to see them and be obliged.

Most clubs are 501c not for profit and you can see their returns.

Texans are not.

Sure they are. Go tot he link below and type in Dallas Texans under Organization Name

http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990s/990search/esearch.php

Switch good catch - FC Dallas is truely elite academy team it is real honor for players to be selected for that team. Solar and Texans of course very good many long-time players from that club some of their best players over the years. Andromeda is becoming more of everybody else who desires to play Academy team most who would not make the first three teams. Andromeda right now does not field top DI teams to fill their academy rosters some younger groups now have some strong teams again that can feed their team. Andromeda academy may get better if they do not loose their best players to FC Dallas, Solar, and Texans academy teams.

Other teams like AYSES sees no need to apply for academy program our players will do just fine with college opportunities in DI schools just like 91's and 92's.

Soccernovice wrote:Switch good catch - FC Dallas is truely elite academy team it is real honor for players to be selected for that team. Solar and Texans of course very good many long-time players from that club some of their best players over the years. Andromeda is becoming more of everybody else who desires to play Academy team most who would not make the first three teams. Andromeda right now does not field top DI teams to fill their academy rosters some younger groups now have some strong teams again that can feed their team. Andromeda academy may get better if they do not loose their best players to FC Dallas, Solar, and Texans academy teams.

Other teams like AYSES sees no need to apply for academy program our players will do just fine with college opportunities in DI schools just like 91's and 92's.

D1 schools like?

91's - landed at Univ. of Louisville, North Illinois, University of South Florida, Houston Baptist University, Centinary, West Point Military Academy, etc.

Soccernovice wrote:91's - landed at Univ. of Louisville, North Illinois, University of South Florida, Houston Baptist University, Centinary, West Point Military Academy, etc.

HBU is desparate for anyone that can even spell soccer. Nice coach though.

Centinary is no longer D1. They're D3.

West Point has all new coaches. They're starting all over, but anyone that decides to go to a service academy deserves tons of respect.

etc?

92s?

Soccernovice wrote:91's - landed at Univ. of Louisville, North Illinois, University of South Florida, Houston Baptist University, Centinary, West Point Military Academy, etc.

Ummm... I don't see any players from Texas on the Louisville or NIU rosters:


http://www.niuhuskies.com/sports/m-soccer/mtt/niu-m-soccer-mtt.html

http://www.uoflsports.com/sports/m-soccer/mtt/lou-m-soccer-mtt.html

FlatBack4 wrote:

Soccernovice wrote:91's - landed at Univ. of Louisville, North Illinois, University of South Florida, Houston Baptist University, Centinary, West Point Military Academy, etc.

HBU is desparate for anyone that can even spell soccer. Nice coach though.

Centinary is no longer D1. They're D3.

West Point has all new coaches. They're starting all over, but anyone that decides to go to a service academy deserves tons of respect.

etc?

92s?

Maybe I am naive, but based on all the serious youth soccer rhetoric here, I would think the goal & bragging rights should be -- How many players and who was offered entry into Generation Adidas or the Home-Grown Program and not NCAA D1-D3? But since it's not, its probably easier to ask this question.

From the 2009 graduating class, list the NTX player(s) that are currently playing for a D1 College:

switch wrote:

Blitzed wrote:

Soccernovice wrote:Correct the needle. Academy takes away many of the best players but not all and creates super teams like FC Dallas Academy which has been the gold standard so far. TFC and AYSES who choose not to form academy teams still have their best players who choose not to play for the Academy teams although they were recruited. These players will do just fine landing college scholarships if that is what they want to do without the development academy experience.

Academy teams are by club invitation. Only 4 clubs in North Texas were invited and TFC and AYSES weren't among them. There is no choice involved.

Not so fast there...wasn't "Invitation Only" in the beginning when they were to trying to get it kick-started. I think there is a choice -- you "choose" to apply now or not

A quote from the USSF website:
"All current clubs applied for membership. Any club is welcome to apply, but admission is very selective."
With 4 clubs participating already, it is doubtful that they would select more at this time...but one never knows!

Theneedle check the press releases section for players who signed at those schools at graduation. Both players attended those schools on soccer scholarship and later left program. Some players like all students do not end up staying all 4 years due to academic or other issues. The players that signed and joined as Freshmen are no longer there. The club experience helped them get there and what they do once they get a scholarship is up to player from there.

Your right the player at West Point had many choices but service to country ranked #1. The player at USF had many choices but liked USF style of play.

Agree on Generation Adidas I think those players will typically come from Development Academy programs for our area when it happens.

Flatback I would not run down the choices of the players that go to some DI schools they may want to stay in area or like that school for a variety of reasons in addition to soccer.

Didn't know Centinary moved down when boys signed they were DI.

The 91's also landed players at DII and DIII schools I just the key DI landings.

Soccernovice wrote:Theneedle check the press releases section for players who signed at those schools at graduation. Both players attended those schools on soccer scholarship and later left program. Some players like all students do not end up staying all 4 years due to academic or other issues. The players that signed and joined as Freshmen are no longer there. The club experience helped them get there and what they do once they get a scholarship is up to player from there.

I agree it happens all the time. Kid goes off to college to "play soccer", but discovers it does not work out. It happens alot. Players and parents need to keep that in mind.

switch wrote:

FlatBack4 wrote:

Soccernovice wrote:91's - landed at Univ. of Louisville, North Illinois, University of South Florida, Houston Baptist University, Centinary, West Point Military Academy, etc.

HBU is desparate for anyone that can even spell soccer. Nice coach though.

Centinary is no longer D1. They're D3.

West Point has all new coaches. They're starting all over, but anyone that decides to go to a service academy deserves tons of respect.

etc?

92s?

Maybe I am naive, but based on all the serious youth soccer rhetoric here, I would think the goal & bragging rights should be -- How many players and who was offered entry into Generation Adidas or the Home-Grown Program and not NCAA D1-D3? But since it's not, its probably easier to ask this question.

From the 2009 graduating class, list the NTX player(s) that are currently playing for a D1 College:

For 95% of players, a college degree is worth lots more $$ in the long run than entry into Gen Adidas or HGP...

cornerkick96 wrote:

switch wrote:

FlatBack4 wrote:

Soccernovice wrote:91's - landed at Univ. of Louisville, North Illinois, University of South Florida, Houston Baptist University, Centinary, West Point Military Academy, etc.

HBU is desparate for anyone that can even spell soccer. Nice coach though.

Centinary is no longer D1. They're D3.

West Point has all new coaches. They're starting all over, but anyone that decides to go to a service academy deserves tons of respect.

etc?

92s?

Maybe I am naive, but based on all the serious youth soccer rhetoric here, I would think the goal & bragging rights should be -- How many players and who was offered entry into Generation Adidas or the Home-Grown Program and not NCAA D1-D3? But since it's not, its probably easier to ask this question.

From the 2009 graduating class, list the NTX player(s) that are currently playing for a D1 College:

For 95% of players, a college degree is worth lots more $$ in the long run than entry into Gen Adidas or HGP...

Probably, but then the question is why do pay-to-play parents view Soccer Clubs as their kids College Fund? We still come full-circle to the inverted pyramid issue and challenges. Do we do it backward?

Lesson learned for parents of top players.

College sports requires tremendous discipline and time management skills. Coaches do not have time to baby sit players on academic and team rules.

It is best to establish great habits at home before they go to college.

If not, our best players will not make it with a full or partial scholarship for soccer in college not matter how good of player or potential they had.

Plus, the players need to stay away from the wrong crowds in college. There are many reasons a player can loose their soccer scholarship at college.

There are many good players who are doing fine in college and playing soccer I think those players had the discipline and academic background to be successful away from home.

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For 95% of players, a college degree is worth lots more $$ in the long run than entry into Gen Adidas or HGP...[/quote]

Probably, but then the question is why do pay-to-play parents view Soccer Clubs as their kids College Fund? We still come full-circle to the inverted pyramid issue and challenges. Do we do it backward?[/quote]

I think that is the case more on the girl's side than boys. Parents of boys who are counting on recouping club soccer investments with college scholarships are delusional. Not saying it doesn't happen occasionally but you can't really project how good today's 12-year-old is going to be when he is 18. Anyway if he is that good he can go and get himself a nice $40k / year job playing in MLS.