go99 wrote:I think that was a response to your "poor me, I'm white so I can't play for FCD". Oh and TBBD that is one of the problems we have in soccer development. We base it on peoples ability to pay not on their talent and abilities. FCD's priorities should be on finding and developing the best talent in the area. Clearly he has not seen his club first hand.

Rightback wrote:Why is the proud statement that 78% are "Hispanic" not racist?

go99 wrote:I think that was a response to your "poor me, I'm white so I can't play for FCD". Oh and TBBD that is one of the problems we have in soccer development. We base it on peoples ability to pay not on their talent and abilities. FCD's priorities should be on finding and developing the best talent in the area. Clearly he has not seen his club first hand.

go99 wrote:I am speaking of a situation beyond FCD. Soccer development in america is based on the ability to pay. It is one of the most expensive places in the world to learn soccer and produces mediocre results. Other leagues around the world are able to develope just fine without the high pay to play structure. If you can develop just a few world class players, the transfer fees will more than make up the money. For years clubs like Santos have made their money on transfer fees not ticket sales. The problem at FCD is not the racial makeup, fees, who should have the right to play, it is the fact that the development model doesn't work and it is at it's core nothing more than another big club taking in big club fees

my2cents wrote:The answer will be when the next generation of parents that actually played the sport take the lower levels of devlopment back away from the paid pros. Pee Wee football, Little League and local basketball leagues do not have to pay $2000-$3000/year for coaches. Parents who played at various levels do that and then the HS or truly select programs kick in at HS age. We produce the best pros in the world in these sports. In soccer the better players leave the volunteer coached teams because so many coaches never played the sport. Too many former players and other parents think their 6 thru 10 year old kid is too good to play rec and take there kid to a pro coach at these ages. Thus the people who can teach basic skills abandon the local programs. It is ridiculous.
I have said before on here; TX is one of the few places in the world you can make a full time income working part time teaching young children a game. That is why you hear all the accents at all the area fields. Only in America.

OnTheSurface wrote:If and when MLS clubs start having the kind of audience and ticket sales that will give them a budget in the 9 figures like the European clubs -- then there will be enough money for them to offer free or cheap academies and free or cheap youth clubs. Right now, there isn't. The bottom line is, someone has to pay, and right now it's all the parents of the youth club players. Is this model broken or unoptimal? Probably, but there isn't a much better answer today.

OnTheSurface wrote: The problem is it has to turn out a product that is worth something around the world.

Freeatlast wrote:

go99 wrote:I think that was a response to your "poor me, I'm white so I can't play for FCD". Oh and TBBD that is one of the problems we have in soccer development. We base it on peoples ability to pay not on their talent and abilities. FCD's priorities should be on finding and developing the best talent in the area. Clearly he has not seen his club first hand.

Wouldn't matter to me if some club wanted to only target left-handed players of Estonian descent, it is a private business, but who is the "we" you mention who should be finding and developing the best talent "without regard to ability to pay?" Who IS going to pay to develop kids? The government? Benevolent businessmen? Crime syndicates? And if someone wants to pay for training, would clubs be banned from agreeing to do that? I don't understand the implied obligation for someone to pay to train other people's kids. As far as "finding" talent, I hope that FC Dallas (the pro club, not the youth) is scouting for the best players they can find and afford all the time. But they don't have any obligation that I know of to pay to develop youth. If they want to, fine, but it isn't their duty. It probably isn't even the duty of the kids' parents. Soccer is a sport, therefore a luxury item.

my2cents wrote:The answer will be when the next generation of parents that actually played the sport take the lower levels of devlopment back away from the paid pros. Pee Wee football, Little League and local basketball leagues do not have to pay $2000-$3000/year for coaches. Parents who played at various levels do that and then the HS or truly select programs kick in at HS age. We produce the best pros in the world in these sports. In soccer the better players leave the volunteer coached teams because so many coaches never played the sport. Too many former players and other parents think their 6 thru 10 year old kid is too good to play rec and take there kid to a pro coach at these ages. Thus the people who can teach basic skills abandon the local programs. It is ridiculous.
I have said before on here; TX is one of the few places in the world you can make a full time income working part time teaching young children a game. That is why you hear all the accents at all the area fields. Only in America.

Rightback wrote:

Freeatlast wrote:

go99 wrote:I think that was a response to your "poor me, I'm white so I can't play for FCD". Oh and TBBD that is one of the problems we have in soccer development. We base it on peoples ability to pay not on their talent and abilities. FCD's priorities should be on finding and developing the best talent in the area. Clearly he has not seen his club first hand.

Wouldn't matter to me if some club wanted to only target left-handed players of Estonian descent, it is a private business, but who is the "we" you mention who should be finding and developing the best talent "without regard to ability to pay?" Who IS going to pay to develop kids? The government? Benevolent businessmen? Crime syndicates? And if someone wants to pay for training, would clubs be banned from agreeing to do that? I don't understand the implied obligation for someone to pay to train other people's kids. As far as "finding" talent, I hope that FC Dallas (the pro club, not the youth) is scouting for the best players they can find and afford all the time. But they don't have any obligation that I know of to pay to develop youth. If they want to, fine, but it isn't their duty. It probably isn't even the duty of the kids' parents. Soccer is a sport, therefore a luxury item.

actually, federal law prevails here and you would have to believe that 'hispanic' (read: a Caucasian who speaks spanish, there is no blood designation hispanic it is a culture term) people are better at something. This would be discrimination, it is racist, and frankly, it is silly. Otherwise EPL would be dominated by 'hispanics".

Freeatlast wrote:I think that was a response to your "poor me, I'm white so I can't play for FCD". Oh and TBBD that is one of the problems we have in soccer development. We base it on peoples ability to pay not on their talent and abilities. FCD's priorities should be on finding and developing the best talent in the area. Clearly he has not seen his club first hand.

Rightback wrote:

Wouldn't matter to me if some club wanted to only target left-handed players of Estonian descent, it is a private business, but who is the "we" you mention who should be finding and developing the best talent "without regard to ability to pay?" Who IS going to pay to develop kids? The government? Benevolent businessmen? Crime syndicates? And if someone wants to pay for training, would clubs be banned from agreeing to do that? I don't understand the implied obligation for someone to pay to train other people's kids. As far as "finding" talent, I hope that FC Dallas (the pro club, not the youth) is scouting for the best players they can find and afford all the time. But they don't have any obligation that I know of to pay to develop youth. If they want to, fine, but it isn't their duty. It probably isn't even the duty of the kids' parents. Soccer is a sport, therefore a luxury item.

go99 wrote: Well, the words quoted by Fabiano could be read as non-racist. He may just be saying that they are building an Academy which reflects the local demographics, or maybe the demographics of the local soccer community, which includes a large percentage of "hispanics" compared to other parts of the country. On the other hand, maybe he assumes that "hispanics" are better soccer players, but what federal law is violated if a team decides to send its scouts to a certain ethnic community because it thinks more good recruits may be found there?

I guess I didn't even read anything there that said non-hispanics wouldn't be welcome if they are talented. It just says their team has a lot of hispanics. May just be a fact.

Yak Attack wrote:

Freeatlast wrote:I think that was a response to your "poor me, I'm white so I can't play for FCD". Oh and TBBD that is one of the problems we have in soccer development. We base it on peoples ability to pay not on their talent and abilities. FCD's priorities should be on finding and developing the best talent in the area. Clearly he has not seen his club first hand.

Can't agree here. The latest development of the U16/U18 Academy has moved these types of influences even further from the sport.

Rightback wrote:

Wouldn't matter to me if some club wanted to only target left-handed players of Estonian descent, it is a private business, but who is the "we" you mention who should be finding and developing the best talent "without regard to ability to pay?" Who IS going to pay to develop kids? The government? Benevolent businessmen? Crime syndicates? And if someone wants to pay for training, would clubs be banned from agreeing to do that? I don't understand the implied obligation for someone to pay to train other people's kids. As far as "finding" talent, I hope that FC Dallas (the pro club, not the youth) is scouting for the best players they can find and afford all the time. But they don't have any obligation that I know of to pay to develop youth. If they want to, fine, but it isn't their duty. It probably isn't even the duty of the kids' parents. Soccer is a sport, therefore a luxury item.

The FCD professional club is funding their Academy. This has nothing to do with FCD club/select. In fact I'd say the FCD club will continue along as it is, run as a separate entity. While I've seen no official announcement, Academy will be starting up a U14 group. Once that happens you will see FCD create their own youth development. It is the only way to develop the talent for the future pro ranks.

go99 wrote: Well, the words quoted by Fabiano could be read as non-racist. He may just be saying that they are building an Academy which reflects the local demographics, or maybe the demographics of the local soccer community, which includes a large percentage of "hispanics" compared to other parts of the country. On the other hand, maybe he assumes that "hispanics" are better soccer players, but what federal law is violated if a team decides to send its scouts to a certain ethnic community because it thinks more good recruits may be found there?

I guess I didn't even read anything there that said non-hispanics wouldn't be welcome if they are talented. It just says their team has a lot of hispanics. May just be a fact.

Simply put, I'd say his reference to Hispanics is about the passion and desire to be future pros. The average north of Dallas kid is looking for at best college soccer. What is the point of FCD putting $$ towards that. Where's the payback??


In fact this debate got me looking and found this:

http://www.fcdallasyouth.com/Development-of-home-grown-players-the-way-forward-for-MLS.aspx

FlatBack4 wrote:

Yak Attack wrote:

Freeatlast wrote:I think that was a response to your "poor me, I'm white so I can't play for FCD". Oh and TBBD that is one of the problems we have in soccer development. We base it on peoples ability to pay not on their talent and abilities. FCD's priorities should be on finding and developing the best talent in the area. Clearly he has not seen his club first hand.

Can't agree here. The latest development of the U16/U18 Academy has moved these types of influences even further from the sport.

Rightback wrote:

Wouldn't matter to me if some club wanted to only target left-handed players of Estonian descent, it is a private business, but who is the "we" you mention who should be finding and developing the best talent "without regard to ability to pay?" Who IS going to pay to develop kids? The government? Benevolent businessmen? Crime syndicates? And if someone wants to pay for training, would clubs be banned from agreeing to do that? I don't understand the implied obligation for someone to pay to train other people's kids. As far as "finding" talent, I hope that FC Dallas (the pro club, not the youth) is scouting for the best players they can find and afford all the time. But they don't have any obligation that I know of to pay to develop youth. If they want to, fine, but it isn't their duty. It probably isn't even the duty of the kids' parents. Soccer is a sport, therefore a luxury item.

The FCD professional club is funding their Academy. This has nothing to do with FCD club/select. In fact I'd say the FCD club will continue along as it is, run as a separate entity. While I've seen no official announcement, Academy will be starting up a U14 group. Once that happens you will see FCD create their own youth development. It is the only way to develop the talent for the future pro ranks.

go99 wrote: Well, the words quoted by Fabiano could be read as non-racist. He may just be saying that they are building an Academy which reflects the local demographics, or maybe the demographics of the local soccer community, which includes a large percentage of "hispanics" compared to other parts of the country. On the other hand, maybe he assumes that "hispanics" are better soccer players, but what federal law is violated if a team decides to send its scouts to a certain ethnic community because it thinks more good recruits may be found there?

I guess I didn't even read anything there that said non-hispanics wouldn't be welcome if they are talented. It just says their team has a lot of hispanics. May just be a fact.

Simply put, I'd say his reference to Hispanics is about the passion and desire to be future pros. The average north of Dallas kid is looking for at best college soccer. What is the point of FCD putting $$ towards that. Where's the payback??


In fact this debate got me looking and found this:

http://www.fcdallasyouth.com/Development-of-home-grown-players-the-way-forward-for-MLS.aspx

Wow... a pro-FCD article on the FCD website.

I will have to admit, tho, Luna is a stud. The other local "darlings" are just a waste of effort. There's just too much tunnelvision around here.