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    FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

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    Rock

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    Re: FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

    Post  Rock on Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:00 pm


    [/quote]

    This might be a telling quote from Hunt.

    "I love the Chivas-Guadalajara model of having players all from Mexico," FC Dallas owner Dan Hunt said.

    They can quit calling my American ass to try to sell their tickets.

    [/quote]

    Wow, I interpeted that quote completely the opposite of you I believe. I took it as Hunt saying he would love to be able to have enough quality American players to field a complete roster of American players on the team, unfortunately US Soccer isn't there yet like Mexico is - see Chivas...

    Kaivermor

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    Re: FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

    Post  Kaivermor on Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:57 pm

    I second that. In fact, we would have to ask him to know what he meant, but I was thinking that Chivas has a loyal following that transcends the sport, but is a flashpoint of national pride. The Super Clasico is when Chivas plays America (their versions of NY Yankees), with highest payroll, plenty of international players.
    I was thinking that Hunt meant he could build strong support for his team by drawing from a more localized/regional talent pool. That sounds like it might work, but has some issues.

    Per previous discussions, most of the youth players in the area are now playing AGAINST FCD youth teams (like my player) for several years. I suspect that kind of dampens the ardent support of the jersey.

    go99

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    Re: FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

    Post  go99 on Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:20 pm

    That argument is floated often but doesn't hold water. Kids are smart enough to tell the difference between the two. I am sure you would be hard pressed to find any local soccer player who isn't just a little proud of Ruben Luna. My BB never says well the local kid that is playing overseas was a texan so I don't care or dislikes Dempsey because he was a Texans. A team that consist of a large part local talent makes the soccer dream more real and gives the hometown fan more reason to cheer. It's the "Parents" are too wrapped up in their kids team not the kids. I would like to see the pro team filled with local kids whether they come from Texans, FCDY, solar, as long as they don't come from Andro Laughing (see how stupid that sounds)

    twotone

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    Re: FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

    Post  twotone on Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:54 pm

    eagle wrote:
    FlatBack4 wrote:
    Yak Attack wrote:
    Freeatlast wrote:I think that was a response to your "poor me, I'm white so I can't play for FCD". Oh and TBBD that is one of the problems we have in soccer development. We base it on peoples ability to pay not on their talent and abilities. FCD's priorities should be on finding and developing the best talent in the area. Clearly he has not seen his club first hand.


    Can't agree here. The latest development of the U16/U18 Academy has moved these types of influences even further from the sport.

    Rightback wrote:

    Wouldn't matter to me if some club wanted to only target left-handed players of Estonian descent, it is a private business, but who is the "we" you mention who should be finding and developing the best talent "without regard to ability to pay?" Who IS going to pay to develop kids? The government? Benevolent businessmen? Crime syndicates? And if someone wants to pay for training, would clubs be banned from agreeing to do that? I don't understand the implied obligation for someone to pay to train other people's kids. As far as "finding" talent, I hope that FC Dallas (the pro club, not the youth) is scouting for the best players they can find and afford all the time. But they don't have any obligation that I know of to pay to develop youth. If they want to, fine, but it isn't their duty. It probably isn't even the duty of the kids' parents. Soccer is a sport, therefore a luxury item.


    The FCD professional club is funding their Academy. This has nothing to do with FCD club/select. In fact I'd say the FCD club will continue along as it is, run as a separate entity. While I've seen no official announcement, Academy will be starting up a U14 group. Once that happens you will see FCD create their own youth development. It is the only way to develop the talent for the future pro ranks.

    go99 wrote: Well, the words quoted by Fabiano could be read as non-racist. He may just be saying that they are building an Academy which reflects the local demographics, or maybe the demographics of the local soccer community, which includes a large percentage of "hispanics" compared to other parts of the country. On the other hand, maybe he assumes that "hispanics" are better soccer players, but what federal law is violated if a team decides to send its scouts to a certain ethnic community because it thinks more good recruits may be found there?

    I guess I didn't even read anything there that said non-hispanics wouldn't be welcome if they are talented. It just says their team has a lot of hispanics. May just be a fact.


    Simply put, I'd say his reference to Hispanics is about the passion and desire to be future pros. The average north of Dallas kid is looking for at best college soccer. What is the point of FCD putting $$ towards that. Where's the payback??


    In fact this debate got me looking and found this:

    http://www.fcdallasyouth.com/Development-of-home-grown-players-the-way-forward-for-MLS.aspx


    Wow... a pro-FCD article on the FCD website.

    I will have to admit, tho, Luna is a stud. The other local "darlings" are just a waste of effort. There's just too much tunnelvision around here.


    This might be a telling quote from Hunt.

    "I love the Chivas-Guadalajara model of having players all from Mexico," FC Dallas owner Dan Hunt said.

    They can quit calling my American ass to try to sell their tickets.



    i think you muse have mis-interpreted that quote from Dan. i read it as the Chivas model is cool for the Mexican team there and FC Dallas can duplicate it in the USA. Chivas builds its players from youth to pro and only plays Mexican players. FCD can build its players from youth to pro using Dallas/Texan players. at least thats what i got

    Yak Attack

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    Re: FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

    Post  Yak Attack on Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:02 pm

    FlatBack4 wrote:
    Wow... a pro-FCD article on the FCD website.

    I will have to admit, tho, Luna is a stud. The other local "darlings" are just a waste of effort. There's just too much tunnelvision around here.


    Uhh no, SI.COM:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/tobias_lopez/09/02/mls.academy/index.html#ixzz0yPgcfT4E

    And so Luna is a stud but everything else is crap. Rolling Eyes

    soccerrus2

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    Re: FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

    Post  soccerrus2 on Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:33 am

    Yak Attack wrote:
    FlatBack4 wrote:
    Wow... a pro-FCD article on the FCD website.

    I will have to admit, tho, Luna is a stud. The other local "darlings" are just a waste of effort. There's just too much tunnelvision around here.


    Uhh no, SI.COM:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/tobias_lopez/09/02/mls.academy/index.html#ixzz0yPgcfT4E

    And so Luna is a stud but everything else is crap. Rolling Eyes


    Interesting that SI bought a Star-Telegram authored story.

    TheFarPost

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    Re: FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

    Post  TheFarPost on Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:17 am


    I've noticed FCD has rostered 4 MLS players on there U/18 Academy team.

    They are high school grads being paid professionally and taking the spots of up and coming players that need to develop.

    Is it about winning or developing.

    Is this fair or did they add these Academy players to the MLS for show and are they going to get any playing time.

    Luna gave up a full ride to SMU to go professional. So why is he on the U/18 Development Academy.

    Rock

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    Re: FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

    Post  Rock on Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:31 am

    TheFarPost wrote:
    I've noticed FCD has rostered 4 MLS players on there U/18 Academy team.

    They are high school grads being paid professionally and taking the spots of up and coming players that need to develop.

    Is it about winning or developing.

    Is this fair or did they add these Academy players to the MLS for show and are they going to get any playing time.

    Luna gave up a full ride to SMU to go professional. So why is he on the U/18 Development Academy.


    Pretty sure Luna is not playing with the Academy anymore since he is getting minutes with FC Dallas.

    None of the rest are getting minutes yet and two of them are not even eligible to play until next year. Since MLS killed the reserve league these guys need to get game minutes in somewhere so the Academy makes the most sense. And yes it is fair, FCD owns and runs the Academy and determines which players need to play on the Academy team to develop. It works the same with pro teams throughout the world. Young players get signed to the team, but are not quite first team ready so they play for a developemental team.

    go99

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    Re: FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

    Post  go99 on Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:46 am

    Actually 3 of the 4 have made their debut with the pro team. FC Dallas should make a team to play in USL and use that to get the reserve players minutes

    TheFarPost

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    Re: FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

    Post  TheFarPost on Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:20 am

    Reserve teams are coming back to the MLS soon

    TheFarPost

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    Re: FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

    Post  TheFarPost on Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:29 am


    In some of the other post about the culture of US soccer. Many of the hispanic young players inspire to play in Mexico.
    I would not be surprised if FCD sells the rights to some of these Mexican born players to some of the Mexico clubs. It is about money, and that alone would cover the cost of the Academy program.

    Also, lets not forget there are plenty of young talented Anglo players playing over seas in England,Germany. The most recent was the Texans product going to Derby County.

    I believe there is plenty of talented players coming out of our area. The top level players are going to go to a place they have the best shot at succeeding. I think FCD is doing a great job of now leading the way. And I have plenty of Anglo friend on both the 16 & 18 Academy teams.

    Rock

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    Re: FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

    Post  Rock on Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:36 am

    go99 wrote:Actually 3 of the 4 have made their debut with the pro team. FC Dallas should make a team to play in USL and use that to get the reserve players minutes


    PDL is more likely to happen than USL. However with the new adidas deal MLS will be bringing back some form of reserve league next year. This will be a great "next step" for the top academy players and young pro team signees. And yes 3 of the 4 home grown players have played in some type of game, but 2 are not eligible to play in MLS games only exhibitions.

    clueless

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    Re: FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

    Post  clueless on Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:50 pm

    http://www.fcdallas.com/news/2010/09/fcd-leads-way-new-development-academy-academic-curriculum

    Wonder how selective this will be? Interesting that the aforementioned article was about how Real Salt Lake started their residency program - yet FCD claims they are the only one doing this?

    Anyone think the caption on the picture is CH telling the kids to get off the field as they aren't the right type of player? I'll bet several think that!

    eagle

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    Re: FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

    Post  eagle on Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:44 pm

    twotone wrote:
    eagle wrote:
    FlatBack4 wrote:
    Yak Attack wrote:
    Freeatlast wrote:I think that was a response to your "poor me, I'm white so I can't play for FCD". Oh and TBBD that is one of the problems we have in soccer development. We base it on peoples ability to pay not on their talent and abilities. FCD's priorities should be on finding and developing the best talent in the area. Clearly he has not seen his club first hand.


    Can't agree here. The latest development of the U16/U18 Academy has moved these types of influences even further from the sport.

    Rightback wrote:

    Wouldn't matter to me if some club wanted to only target left-handed players of Estonian descent, it is a private business, but who is the "we" you mention who should be finding and developing the best talent "without regard to ability to pay?" Who IS going to pay to develop kids? The government? Benevolent businessmen? Crime syndicates? And if someone wants to pay for training, would clubs be banned from agreeing to do that? I don't understand the implied obligation for someone to pay to train other people's kids. As far as "finding" talent, I hope that FC Dallas (the pro club, not the youth) is scouting for the best players they can find and afford all the time. But they don't have any obligation that I know of to pay to develop youth. If they want to, fine, but it isn't their duty. It probably isn't even the duty of the kids' parents. Soccer is a sport, therefore a luxury item.


    The FCD professional club is funding their Academy. This has nothing to do with FCD club/select. In fact I'd say the FCD club will continue along as it is, run as a separate entity. While I've seen no official announcement, Academy will be starting up a U14 group. Once that happens you will see FCD create their own youth development. It is the only way to develop the talent for the future pro ranks.

    go99 wrote: Well, the words quoted by Fabiano could be read as non-racist. He may just be saying that they are building an Academy which reflects the local demographics, or maybe the demographics of the local soccer community, which includes a large percentage of "hispanics" compared to other parts of the country. On the other hand, maybe he assumes that "hispanics" are better soccer players, but what federal law is violated if a team decides to send its scouts to a certain ethnic community because it thinks more good recruits may be found there?

    I guess I didn't even read anything there that said non-hispanics wouldn't be welcome if they are talented. It just says their team has a lot of hispanics. May just be a fact.


    Simply put, I'd say his reference to Hispanics is about the passion and desire to be future pros. The average north of Dallas kid is looking for at best college soccer. What is the point of FCD putting $$ towards that. Where's the payback??


    In fact this debate got me looking and found this:

    http://www.fcdallasyouth.com/Development-of-home-grown-players-the-way-forward-for-MLS.aspx


    Wow... a pro-FCD article on the FCD website.

    I will have to admit, tho, Luna is a stud. The other local "darlings" are just a waste of effort. There's just too much tunnelvision around here.


    This might be a telling quote from Hunt.

    "I love the Chivas-Guadalajara model of having players all from Mexico," FC Dallas owner Dan Hunt said.

    They can quit calling my American ass to try to sell their tickets.



    i think you muse have mis-interpreted that quote from Dan. i read it as the Chivas model is cool for the Mexican team there and FC Dallas can duplicate it in the USA. Chivas builds its players from youth to pro and only plays Mexican players. FCD can build its players from youth to pro using Dallas/Texan players. at least thats what i got

    That would make more sense. I did send the quote to the FCD tickets guys that I get emails from incessantly and I never heard back.
    On another note I think FC Dallas did realize that the majority of the kids going through their academy are not going to make it big professionly and the smart life choice for a number themm is getting their college degree. I assume that is why they brought in a college coordinator and you will start to see some more diversity on their academy teams including kids that have college as an option.

    go99

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    Re: FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

    Post  go99 on Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:25 pm

    I don't think FCD cares about the racial makeup of their players, only their skills. The purpose of the academy program also is not college, it is about professional quality players. The simple reality is that not all players will be able to make it and that helps with a fallback plan. The college coordinator is for all FCD players not just the academy ones.

    Turftoe96

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    Re: FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

    Post  Turftoe96 on Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:33 am

    The only people that care about race are racist.
    If your kid is a stud, any club or team will accept him with open arms and a free ride.

    clueless

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    Re: FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

    Post  clueless on Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:45 am

    Turftoe96 wrote:The only people that care about race are racist.
    If your kid is a stud, any club or team will accept him with open arms and a free ride.


    I think that's true for the majority of cases, but chemistry does play a part in some decisions.
    If a kid is Messi - I'm sure all potential chemistry problems can be overcome (at least, it's worth a shot)!

    Worked for Larry Bird and Jackie Robinson.

    go99

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    Re: FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

    Post  go99 on Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:36 am

    In team building chemistry matters in soccer development it does not. If you are developing future talent the you take the best you can find, develope them the best you can. Because they will be moved on and judged as individuals not as a cohesive unit. So depends on what your final goal is. Win games or produce a product of value in the soccer world. Two different objective with 2 totally different approaches required.

    eagle

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    Re: FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

    Post  eagle on Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:53 am

    go99 wrote:In team building chemistry matters in soccer development it does not. If you are developing future talent the you take the best you can find, develope them the best you can. Because they will be moved on and judged as individuals not as a cohesive unit. So depends on what your final goal is. Win games or produce a product of value in the soccer world. Two different objective with 2 totally different approaches required.


    I think they realize they owe something to the kids that they don't take on as development players which will be the vast majority. If they educate these kids earlier that they need to try and keep their educational opportunites open then they are doing right by them. 90 percent of them would be better off in the long run with a college degree if it is obtainable. That includes any race.

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    Re: FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

    Post  Fabiano9 on Mon May 30, 2011 5:54 pm

    Good to hear FCD beat the mighty Solar 98 today.
    Congrats to the boys & coaches.
    Making Papi Pareja proud.

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    Re: FCD: About to be a new sheriff in town

    Post  crfan on Tue May 31, 2011 3:16 am

    Fabiano9 wrote:Good to hear FCD beat the mighty Solar 98 today.
    Congrats to the boys & coaches.
    Making Papi Pareja proud.


    The FCD team looked great and it was a fun game to watch. Does anyone know if this team is made up mostly of 97's or 98's and will they be splitting up due to pre-academy pure age now? Good job to both teams.

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