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Post by TayJ6 on 7/17/2017, 9:46 am

Here are my completely unofficial groups (after 10 minutes of spreadsheet fun)using the snake method and going solely off of YSR and just ballparking the completely unkown teams, which is not how it will be done...

1
FC Dallas 07B Academy
FC FAST 07B Donaghy
DI Stars FC 07B Jarjoura
AAOS 07B Pulisic
FC Dallas 07B West Blue
Solar 07B Evans

2
Dallas Texans 07B Red
FC Dallas 07B Blue
FC Leon Red
Dallas Texans 07B STH
FC Dallas 07B Black
Texas Spurs FC 07B

3
Dallas Texans 07B Dallas
FC Dallas 07 Boys (Youth)
Elite United FC 07B White
FC Juve 07B
FC Dallas 07B Silver
Super Boyz

4
Solar 07B McKinney
Solar 07B Martinez
Fever United 07 Moreno
Texas Lightning 07B Todd Brown
FC Premier 07B
Dallas Roma FC 07B

5
Dalls Rush 07B Voutier
NTX Celtic FC 07B Shirley
Dallas TNT 07 Boys Baird
LP 07B St. John
Sporting United 07B
Strikers SC 07B Selby

6
Dalls Rebels 07B Loya
FC Dallas 07B ETX Premier
Garland Tigres 07 GOLD
North Texas United FC 07B Hernandez
Dallas Cosmos 07B Black
AAOS 07B Acosta

7
Elite United FC 07B Arana
FC Legends 07B
Triumph Futbol Club 07B Vincent – Ft Worth
LP 07B Heighway
Dallas Texans 07B West
FC Dallas 07B West Red

8
LP 07B Owen
AYSES 07 Boys Gold
Ft Worth Tigres 07
Texas Xtreme FC 07B
Solar 07B  Tezkol
Solar 07B Juliao

9
East Texas Wildcatters SC 07B
Allegiance FC 07B Black – Pedro
Rayos 07 Martinez
LP 07B Carragher
Collyville Evolution 07B Green
FC Dallas 07B Central Blue

10
Solar 07B Volkan
Solar 07B Kennington
Fort Worth FC Black
Solar 07B  McKinney/Lanier
Solar 07B Figueroa
Dallas Rush White


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Re: QT Predictions...

Post by FCD07 Mom on 7/17/2017, 9:59 am

There are several ways Classic can slice and dice this. But the most simple, effective and fair way would be to seed them in 10 Brackets of 6 using a snake format with the rankings.

It would look like this:



This way each bracket has an average ranking of 30.5. Seems like the most obvious way to go.

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Post by FCD07 Mom on 7/17/2017, 10:03 am

TayJ6 wrote:Here are my completely unofficial groups (after 10 minutes of spreadsheet fun)using the snake method and going solely off of YSR and just ballparking the completely unkown teams, which is not how it will be done...

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FC Dallas 07B Academy
FC FAST 07B Donaghy
DI Stars FC 07B Jarjoura
AAOS 07B Pulisic
FC Dallas 07B West Blue
Solar 07B Evans

Just using YSR as the sole source, this would already be off...

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Post by DragonStryker on 7/17/2017, 10:13 am

I suspect we see 15 brackets of 4.

1
FCD Academy
Rayos
FTW FC
Super Boyz

2
DTR
Triumph
Solar McKinney/Lanier
AAOS Pulisic

3
DT Dallas
FTW Tigre's
Liverpool Carragher
Solar Evans

4
Rush
Tigre's Gold
Xtreme
AAOS Acosta

5
Solar McKinney
Dallas TNT
Liverpool Heighway
Cosmos

6
Allegiance
Texans South
FCD ETX
Spurs

7
Solar Volkan
Fever
NTX United
Sporting United

8
Rebels
Elite United White
Liverpool St John
FCD West Red

9
Elite United
Club Leon
Juventud
FCD Central Blue

10
Liverpool Owen
DI Stars
Lightning
Dallas Roma

11
Solar Kennington
FC Fast
FCD West Blue
Strikers

12
ETX Wildcatters
FCD Blue
FC Premier
Solar Texkol

13
NTX Celtic
FCD Youth
Colleyville Evo
Solar Juliao

14
AYSES
Solar Martinez
FCD Black
Rush White

15
FC Legends
Texans West
FCD Silver
Solar Figueroa

Dinged Elite, Liverpool, Rebels, and Kennington based on this past weekend. Bumped up Celtic, Allegiance,Volkan. Swapped Rush and Mckinney based on okay this weekend though that's a judgment call.

Suspect we'll see some FCD teams seeded higher than expected, could work for or against them depending on the teams in the bracket but wouldn't surprise me to see a bracket made to get FCD Youth and FCD Blue into D1.

Top 2 teams through. Winner of every bracket into D1. Next 5 highest point totals into D1, balance of 2nd place teams into D2. Re-seed and re-group remaining 30 teams into 10 brackets of 3, winners through to D2.


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Re: QT Predictions...

Post by TayJ6 on 7/17/2017, 10:18 am

Socceroo wrote:
TayJ6 wrote:Here are my completely unofficial groups (after 10 minutes of spreadsheet fun)using the snake method and going solely off of YSR and just ballparking the completely unkown teams, which is not how it will be done...

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FC Dallas 07B Academy
FC FAST 07B Donaghy
DI Stars FC 07B Jarjoura
AAOS 07B Pulisic
FC Dallas 07B West Blue
Solar 07B Evans

Just using YSR as the sole source, this would already be off...

That group is YSR rankings of 1,22,23,54,56,281 which would be seeds 1,20,21,40,41

...but again, just one method and not the one they will use.

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Post by DragonStryker on 7/17/2017, 10:25 am

15 groups of 4 or 12 groups of 5 are probably most likely.

I'd be very surprised by 10 groups of 6
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Post by FCD07 Mom on 7/17/2017, 10:28 am

15 Groups of 4 makes sense. So does 10 groups of 6.
Not sure how 12 groups of 5 would work to make the Top 20 an easy decision without controversy...

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Re: QT Predictions...

Post by DragonStryker on 7/17/2017, 10:29 am

Placeholder brackets taken down.
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Post by DragonStryker on 7/17/2017, 10:31 am

12 groups of 5

Winners to D1. Top 8 point totals in 2nd place to D1. Other 4 to d2. Reseed and group for 2nd weekend to determine balance of d2.
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Post by baller07 on 7/17/2017, 10:32 am

Likely 12/ 15 groups.

Seeding:
40% - King tut performance
30% - Coach's ranking
20% - club name/size
10% - connections


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Post by TayJ6 on 7/17/2017, 10:34 am

I think it will be 12 groups of 5.

4 games each seems ideal.

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Post by DragonStryker on 7/17/2017, 10:38 am

baller07 wrote:Likely 12/ 15 groups.

Seeding:
40% - King tut performance
30% - Coach's ranking
20% - club name/size
10% - connections

Might flip King Tut and Coach's rankings but this is probably close. Maybe toss in 10% to 15% performance last 2-3 months though with signing mixing things up, might make sense to ignore prior performance to some degree.
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Post by baller07 on 7/17/2017, 10:53 am

You're probably right. But I don't think previous record will have an impact.
1 - Teams used too many guest players.
2 - Some teams were asked to create new gotsoccer accounts.

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Post by DragonStryker on 7/17/2017, 10:56 am

Some teams also play the GotSoccer game to hide past records. FCD is notorious for this going into Select.
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Post by FCD07 Mom on 7/17/2017, 11:00 am

TayJ6 wrote:I think it will be 12 groups of 5.

4 games each seems ideal.

I really hope this is not the case....Would hate to be one of the 4 teams that lose D1 based on points if their bracket was tougher....


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Post by cruiser on 7/17/2017, 11:24 am

King Tut seems like it has to be supplementary at best... it's a slippery slope of how to read into results without enough common opponents and strength of bracket. Seems very clear, even if a seeding mistake - -- all platinum / gold brackets just weren't comparable. You can only play who you play of course - but seems silly to weigh (too heavily) based on results . A 2-2 solar McKinney team for example vs 4-0 solar volkan ?

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Post by just-a-dad on 7/18/2017, 5:39 pm

has there ever been this many teams trying to make classic? seems like teams that have never even played top competition are going out for the tournament.

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Post by FCD07 Mom on 7/19/2017, 10:04 am

When do brackets typically come out?

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Post by TayJ6 on 7/19/2017, 10:52 am

My guess is Tuesday

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Post by SoccerFan45 on 7/19/2017, 3:02 pm

Looks like they are doing 20 brackets of 3, with crossover games.  Winner of each bracket makes D1.  Reseed for the second weekend with 10 brackets of 4, top 2 make D2.

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Post by DragonStryker on 7/19/2017, 3:54 pm

SoccerFan45 wrote:Looks like they are doing 20 brackets of 3, with crossover games.  Winner of each bracket makes D1.  Reseed for the second weekend with 10 brackets of 4, top 2 make D2.

Assuming this is true...

Bracket 1
#1 seed
#40 seed
#41 seed

Bracket 2
#2 seed
#39 seed
#42 seed

Etc etc etc

Then add in #1 playing #60, #2 playing #59, etc

Should be easy to back into implied seeding.
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Post by Guest on 7/19/2017, 4:01 pm

SoccerFan45 wrote:Looks like they are doing 20 brackets of 3, with crossover games.  Winner of each bracket makes D1.  Reseed for the second weekend with 10 brackets of 4, top 2 make D2.

it says 3 cross over games.  So does that mean  each team will play 5 games?  2 from the bracket and 3 others?  Seems like 2 cross over games would suffice.  Just not sure I'm understanding it right.

Edit: thinking maybe they mean 3 total cross over games per bracket so each team in the bracket plays 1 cross over. who knows

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Post by TayJ6 on 7/19/2017, 4:10 pm

Where did this information actually come from? The original provisional brackets were 20 groups of 3. That seems like a very strange way to do it, but not necessarily unfair if the the crossover games are like DS said, 1vs60, 2vs59, etc.

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Post by Guest on 7/19/2017, 4:14 pm

TayJ6 wrote:Where did this information actually come from? The original provisional brackets were 20 groups of 3. That seems like a very strange way to do it, but not necessarily unfair if the the crossover games are like DS said, 1vs60, 2vs59, etc.

The Chamber website.

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Post by DragonStryker on 7/19/2017, 4:16 pm

3 Crossover games / 5 games total would change things up.

#1 would play #49, 41, 60, 21, and 20
#2 would play #39, 42, 21, 20, and 60

Basically Group 1 would play Group 20, Group 2 would play Group 19, etc.

Other ways to solve for this I'm sure that keeps the schedule for higher seeds consistently easier than the schedule for lower seeds.

One thing this does is lesson the advantage of the higher seed as the average rank of a team's opponents don't change as much from #1 to #2 to #3 etc.

Purely speculation.
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