ph223048 wrote:D2

ASG 2 - FC DALLAS YOUTH 99B GOLD (FIGUEROA) 0

middlewing256 wrote:andromeda tied comets today i think it was 2-2

nuchad wrote:

ph223048 wrote:ASG 1 - Wizards 0

Red Card was issued to Wizard player

This could have been prevented if the ref would have given him a yellow for the incident he committed before the Red. If the yellow would have been given before, he would not have done a Safety Tackle on the midfielder he took out which got him the Red. Good player, but bad attitude. He flopped 3 times during the game and never had to leave the field once, even after a 3 minute delay. The refs are getting worse day by day.

Oh no...we can't criticize the referees. We can't complain. We can't voice opinion. We can't say anything to them. They, they are the perfection of youth soccer. They make calls. They make money in spite of those calls. They don't affect the outcome of a game. That is, unless they don't make an obvious call, or make a call that is inconsistent with the rest of the game. Or if they forget the laws of the game...but yet, they are the only "professionals" out there, and we should treat them as such. So please don't tell them they are getting worse, for they may take that personal, and we'd never want to separate personal opinions from the professional opinions. Even though we understand that being a good person doesn't make a good referee. And the fact that being a bad referee doesn't make a bad person...just an idiot ref (but I didn't say that).

afrankw wrote:

middlewing256 wrote:andromeda tied comets today i think it was 2-2

I think that means that the 1st place teams have 9 points and the 8th place teams has 7. Can't get much closer than that.

goal9997 wrote:FCD CENTRAL 3
CLUB CLASSIC 0

omega striker wrote:

goal9997 wrote:FCD CENTRAL 3
CLUB CLASSIC 0

I must say FCD Central has been quite a suprise!

omega striker wrote:

goal9997 wrote:FCD CENTRAL 3
CLUB CLASSIC 0

I must say FCD Central has been quite a suprise!

Axxman wrote:Wonder why we don't hear from the Gunner parents much anymore. Is there another Solar like gag order in the works, or are they simply gagging from the uniforms?

The real question is, if they fall to D2, do they stay together? I doubt it, but if so, what exactly is going to make them better to make the climb back up and be competitive? That's the problem with the majority of the independants, unless they have what it takes to stay near the top, eventually they must join the dark side if soccer is their thing.

plantit wrote:

Axxman wrote:Wonder why we don't hear from the Gunner parents much anymore. Is there another Solar like gag order in the works, or are they simply gagging from the uniforms?

The real question is, if they fall to D2, do they stay together? I doubt it, but if so, what exactly is going to make them better to make the climb back up and be competitive? That's the problem with the majority of the independants, unless they have what it takes to stay near the top, eventually they must join the dark side if soccer is their thing.

They have athleats not soccer players. You guys knew this last year . Why all of a sudden the suprise? Same S#iT different year . wake up !

CLUB31 wrote:After 5 games and seeing most of the teams, which two go down to d2 next year and fall apart. Knowing the Gunners seem to play much better in the spring. It would have to be between Gunners,Comets,Solar Blue and Titans.

oldcastle wrote:

nuchad wrote:

ph223048 wrote:ASG 1 - Wizards 0

Red Card was issued to Wizard player

This could have been prevented if the ref would have given him a yellow for the incident he committed before the Red. If the yellow would have been given before, he would not have done a Safety Tackle on the midfielder he took out which got him the Red. Good player, but bad attitude. He flopped 3 times during the game and never had to leave the field once, even after a 3 minute delay. The refs are getting worse day by day.

Oh no...we can't criticize the referees. We can't complain. We can't voice opinion. We can't say anything to them. They, they are the perfection of youth soccer. They make calls. They make money in spite of those calls. They don't affect the outcome of a game. That is, unless they don't make an obvious call, or make a call that is inconsistent with the rest of the game. Or if they forget the laws of the game...but yet, they are the only "professionals" out there, and we should treat them as such. So please don't tell them they are getting worse, for they may take that personal, and we'd never want to separate personal opinions from the professional opinions. Even though we understand that being a good person doesn't make a good referee. And the fact that being a bad referee doesn't make a bad person...just an idiot ref (but I didn't say that).

I can't say that I have seen enough games across the different divisions or teams, but I've now recently seen at least three games, or good portions thereof (completely different teams) in D1 and D3 and I've been flabbergasted by the extremely poor judgement of the referees.

What I have seen is either a result of complete understanding of the rules, no interest to follow the play (linesmen out of position, no desire to run, tired, hungover?), or use of their authority to punish however they may dislike. I want to believe there is no ill-will and that they actually like doing this, so I'll default to the first two items. Even if that's the case then team managers and coaches should coordinate a joint complaint to the league administrators. This is best done sooner rather than later... while Classic will probably remain the league of choice for quite some time, there is nothing like un-fair play to weaken a league, in some other countries there are more options, in the US there are other sports (baseball, basketball, etc) start to look much better.

In every sport at this level refs make mistakes, and one can't expect professional first division league ref level consistently (or at all?), but the refs seem to be extremely weak and cowardly to call aggressions, it takes a lot for a ref to pull cards, particularly red. The linesmen still look like they're in the recreational leagues, often late raising the flag, almost always waiting for direction from the ref (except sadly sometimes the rec teenagers are actually better).

Anyway, seems like this forum has a good share of positively influential individuals, perhaps the league administrators should get a wake up call. The referees seem to have absolutely no incentive to perform moderately well at this point, that should change.

6Ducks wrote:

oldcastle wrote:

nuchad wrote:

ph223048 wrote:ASG 1 - Wizards 0

Red Card was issued to Wizard player

This could have been prevented if the ref would have given him a yellow for the incident he committed before the Red. If the yellow would have been given before, he would not have done a Safety Tackle on the midfielder he took out which got him the Red. Good player, but bad attitude. He flopped 3 times during the game and never had to leave the field once, even after a 3 minute delay. The refs are getting worse day by day.

Oh no...we can't criticize the referees. We can't complain. We can't voice opinion. We can't say anything to them. They, they are the perfection of youth soccer. They make calls. They make money in spite of those calls. They don't affect the outcome of a game. That is, unless they don't make an obvious call, or make a call that is inconsistent with the rest of the game. Or if they forget the laws of the game...but yet, they are the only "professionals" out there, and we should treat them as such. So please don't tell them they are getting worse, for they may take that personal, and we'd never want to separate personal opinions from the professional opinions. Even though we understand that being a good person doesn't make a good referee. And the fact that being a bad referee doesn't make a bad person...just an idiot ref (but I didn't say that).

I can't say that I have seen enough games across the different divisions or teams, but I've now recently seen at least three games, or good portions thereof (completely different teams) in D1 and D3 and I've been flabbergasted by the extremely poor judgement of the referees.

What I have seen is either a result of complete understanding of the rules, no interest to follow the play (linesmen out of position, no desire to run, tired, hungover?), or use of their authority to punish however they may dislike. I want to believe there is no ill-will and that they actually like doing this, so I'll default to the first two items. Even if that's the case then team managers and coaches should coordinate a joint complaint to the league administrators. This is best done sooner rather than later... while Classic will probably remain the league of choice for quite some time, there is nothing like un-fair play to weaken a league, in some other countries there are more options, in the US there are other sports (baseball, basketball, etc) start to look much better.

In every sport at this level refs make mistakes, and one can't expect professional first division league ref level consistently (or at all?), but the refs seem to be extremely weak and cowardly to call aggressions, it takes a lot for a ref to pull cards, particularly red. The linesmen still look like they're in the recreational leagues, often late raising the flag, almost always waiting for direction from the ref (except sadly sometimes the rec teenagers are actually better).

Anyway, seems like this forum has a good share of positively influential individuals, perhaps the league administrators should get a wake up call. The referees seem to have absolutely no incentive to perform moderately well at this point, that should change.

Agreed. With the score 2-1 Reds, the ref in the D3 Liverpool/Comets game decided to no call a controlling hand ball call costing Liverpool the win in the last few minutes of the game. The Comets forward on a closely contested breakaway clearly controlled the ball down with his hand and subsequently scored tying up the game.

When asked about the call, the ref said he did not see it even though he was ten yards away and looking right at it.

off_the_woodwork wrote:

6Ducks wrote:

oldcastle wrote:

nuchad wrote:

ph223048 wrote:ASG 1 - Wizards 0

Red Card was issued to Wizard player

This could have been prevented if the ref would have given him a yellow for the incident he committed before the Red. If the yellow would have been given before, he would not have done a Safety Tackle on the midfielder he took out which got him the Red. Good player, but bad attitude. He flopped 3 times during the game and never had to leave the field once, even after a 3 minute delay. The refs are getting worse day by day.

Oh no...we can't criticize the referees. We can't complain. We can't voice opinion. We can't say anything to them. They, they are the perfection of youth soccer. They make calls. They make money in spite of those calls. They don't affect the outcome of a game. That is, unless they don't make an obvious call, or make a call that is inconsistent with the rest of the game. Or if they forget the laws of the game...but yet, they are the only "professionals" out there, and we should treat them as such. So please don't tell them they are getting worse, for they may take that personal, and we'd never want to separate personal opinions from the professional opinions. Even though we understand that being a good person doesn't make a good referee. And the fact that being a bad referee doesn't make a bad person...just an idiot ref (but I didn't say that).

I can't say that I have seen enough games across the different divisions or teams, but I've now recently seen at least three games, or good portions thereof (completely different teams) in D1 and D3 and I've been flabbergasted by the extremely poor judgement of the referees.

What I have seen is either a result of complete understanding of the rules, no interest to follow the play (linesmen out of position, no desire to run, tired, hungover?), or use of their authority to punish however they may dislike. I want to believe there is no ill-will and that they actually like doing this, so I'll default to the first two items. Even if that's the case then team managers and coaches should coordinate a joint complaint to the league administrators. This is best done sooner rather than later... while Classic will probably remain the league of choice for quite some time, there is nothing like un-fair play to weaken a league, in some other countries there are more options, in the US there are other sports (baseball, basketball, etc) start to look much better.

In every sport at this level refs make mistakes, and one can't expect professional first division league ref level consistently (or at all?), but the refs seem to be extremely weak and cowardly to call aggressions, it takes a lot for a ref to pull cards, particularly red. The linesmen still look like they're in the recreational leagues, often late raising the flag, almost always waiting for direction from the ref (except sadly sometimes the rec teenagers are actually better).

Anyway, seems like this forum has a good share of positively influential individuals, perhaps the league administrators should get a wake up call. The referees seem to have absolutely no incentive to perform moderately well at this point, that should change.

Agreed. With the score 2-1 Reds, the ref in the D3 Liverpool/Comets game decided to no call a controlling hand ball call costing Liverpool the win in the last few minutes of the game. The Comets forward on a closely contested breakaway clearly controlled the ball down with his hand and subsequently scored tying up the game.

When asked about the call, the ref said he did not see it even though he was ten yards away and looking right at it.

You should use that on your Whiner's Club card application - that almost made me cry

Where can I get one of those cards? I just needed to vent.