go99 wrote:I hear you have to kiss HN "the darklords" pinky ring and pledge an oath of eternal loyalty to join the club.

Had to finally break down and read what this post string was all about.

Go...you're wrong. Ring only. No oath. Wasn't that bad, was over in 5 seconds. :-)

As for the other general comments...
Over $3K are paid to be a part of a club team that travels to a few out of town tournaments? Sorry, but that is not news to Texan, Andro, Solar, FCDallas, ASG, etc., etc. parents. Sorry to tell ya folks, Texans don't hold exclusive rights to annual fees and tourney costs. (BTW...I am sure I misread the team list for Disney...'cause only the Texans would travel that far...right?).

Most who put down a particular club A)Have zero clue and they just enjoy riding the wagon or B)Had a bad experience. The bad experiences will generally get blamed on the club/coach. It's too easy not too, because an introspective look would be too painful or challenging for the family/player. The reality is...some parents/kids like big clubs, some parents/kids like smaller clubs, for a myriad of reasons.

My hope is anyone new to the area, simply finds the proper fit for their BB/DD by visiting various clubs/coaches/teams.

Now back to regularly scheduled programming.

[quote="Marvin"][quote="indyfc"]

soccer23 wrote:

Marvin wrote:

indyfc wrote:

sidenet wrote:Observation:
As the game between the texans and the wizards the wizards parents seemed a lot more pleased with the result than the texan parents. I think their expectations are high. but i see nothing wrong with that.

Sure the Texans expectations should be high. They are the ones with 5 scholarships and the select team from well over 100 kids to choose from. Not to mention that they have the coach who is suppose to be next great one. They are also the ones who have the top 00 player (arguably), and recruited away top players from DT South, Bandits, & Wizards.


Also keep in mind that the parents that don't have their kids on scholarship on this team are paying well over $3K to be on this team and they were sold on the fact that this would be THE top team. Not winning is something they aren't used to.


I'm sure their egos were crushed when they tied with a rec team. And for any Wizards out there, please don't take offense to me saying rec. Please take it as a compliment to your bb's skill, heart and character. I talked to some people on the Wizards team and they told me that they didn't have any tryouts and that the majority of the team has been playing together since U8 in the rec league.

So do you have proof 5 have scholarships or are you just talking? Also, not positive, but I think the Texans fees are like $2600 (most seem to be close to that) are you including other things?

$2600 plus one out of town trip (they already went to OKC in August) will easily put you over the $3000 mark (one road trip probably equates to at least $500-600 for gas, hotel food etc.). add one more road trip between now and July and you are looking at closer to $4000 total for the year.

They are planning to go to Vegas as well. If that goes through, it may be well over $4K. (Not including any gambling $$!).

Marvin, please also tell me what proof I have to share with you for the Vegas trip info.

Heard that was called off, I guess you don't know everything. My point is other clubs do the same thing. So they are not paying much, if any, more than an FC Dallas, Solar,... You portray it as if they are the only ones playing tournaments, buying uniforms and going to camps. Did your bb go to any camps in the last 12 months? Did you pay for it? Did you buy uniforms? If you are not doing tournaments your loss, but my guess is you are and someone is paying for them. (I know most clubs include a couple tournaments in their dues). Again, my point is most clubs have similar expenses and it is not exclusive to the Texans or this team. My argument is not that it is not expensive, it is that it is expensive for all club teams. And that I don't know if they have scholarship players or not and I don't think you do either. But you stated it as fact. I would beat the parents on the team don't even know who is paying what. I will leave it at that.

If that's what you are reading into my post, then you have no room to call anyone a knucklehead.

This discussion was about why this team has high expectations. Nothing that I stated is untrue. Whether or not you think what they pay is "similar" to what others pay is your prerogative. It is not less than any other team out there.

Whether or not you think that they have scholarship players is also up to you. I am not going to go as far as naming the players because it wouldn't be right, but if you know this team well enough you could probably guess who they are pretty easily.

BTW, no need to beat any parents over this.... and those parents should know how many players on scholarship because it is stated in the Team Facts Sheet they get along with their contract. If the Texans didn't have that on there, then they just flat out lied to their parents.

chriswhit wrote:

go99 wrote:I hear you have to kiss HN "the darklords" pinky ring and pledge an oath of eternal loyalty to join the club.

Had to finally break down and read what this post string was all about.

Go...you're wrong. Ring only. No oath. Wasn't that bad, was over in 5 seconds. :-)

As for the other general comments...
Over $3K are paid to be a part of a club team that travels to a few out of town tournaments? Sorry, but that is not news to Texan, Andro, Solar, FCDallas, ASG, etc., etc. parents. Sorry to tell ya folks, Texans don't hold exclusive rights to annual fees and tourney costs. (BTW...I am sure I misread the team list for Disney...'cause only the Texans would travel that far...right?).

Most who put down a particular club A)Have zero clue and they just enjoy riding the wagon or B)Had a bad experience. The bad experiences will generally get blamed on the club/coach. It's too easy not too, because an introspective look would be too painful or challenging for the family/player. The reality is...some parents/kids like big clubs, some parents/kids like smaller clubs, for a myriad of reasons.

My hope is anyone new to the area, simply finds the proper fit for their BB/DD by visiting various clubs/coaches/teams.

Now back to regularly scheduled programming.

Wow, 5 seconds, that must be some piece of glass. What type of stone, do tell if you were that close.

rantnrave wrote:

chriswhit wrote:

go99 wrote:I hear you have to kiss HN "the darklords" pinky ring and pledge an oath of eternal loyalty to join the club.

Had to finally break down and read what this post string was all about.

Go...you're wrong. Ring only. No oath. Wasn't that bad, was over in 5 seconds. :-)

As for the other general comments...
Over $3K are paid to be a part of a club team that travels to a few out of town tournaments? Sorry, but that is not news to Texan, Andro, Solar, FCDallas, ASG, etc., etc. parents. Sorry to tell ya folks, Texans don't hold exclusive rights to annual fees and tourney costs. (BTW...I am sure I misread the team list for Disney...'cause only the Texans would travel that far...right?).

Most who put down a particular club A)Have zero clue and they just enjoy riding the wagon or B)Had a bad experience. The bad experiences will generally get blamed on the club/coach. It's too easy not too, because an introspective look would be too painful or challenging for the family/player. The reality is...some parents/kids like big clubs, some parents/kids like smaller clubs, for a myriad of reasons.

My hope is anyone new to the area, simply finds the proper fit for their BB/DD by visiting various clubs/coaches/teams.

Now back to regularly scheduled programming.

Wow, 5 seconds, that must be some piece of glass. What type of stone, do tell if you were that close.

Did he say ring? He meant to say rim.

[quote="indyfc"][quote="rantnrave"]

indyfc wrote:

sidenet wrote:Observation:
As the game between the texans and the wizards the wizards parents seemed a lot more pleased with the result than the texan parents. I think their expectations are high. but i see nothing wrong with that.

Sure the Texans expectations should be high. They are the ones with 5 scholarships and the select team from well over 100 kids to choose from. Not to mention that they have the coach who is suppose to be next great one. They are also the ones who have the top 00 player (arguably), and recruited away top players from DT South, Bandits, & Wizards.


Also keep in mind that the parents that don't have their kids on scholarship on this team are paying well over $3K to be on this team and they were sold on the fact that this would be THE top team. Not winning is something they aren't used to.


I'm sure their egos were crushed when they tied with a rec team. And for any Wizards out there, please don't take offense to me saying rec. Please take it as a compliment to your bb's skill, heart and character. I talked to some people on the Wizards team and they told me that they didn't have any tryouts and that the majority of the team has been playing together since U8 in the rec league.

No tryouts, isn't that a North Texas Soccer violation?

No it is not.... Read your rules book:

4.10 Tryouts
NTSSA has no rule that condones or restricts tryouts except that tryouts are not allowed for U-6 through U-10 players....

I was wrong, I stand corrected.

[quote="indyfc"][quote="Marvin"]

indyfc wrote:

soccer23 wrote:

Marvin wrote:

indyfc wrote:

sidenet wrote:Observation:
As the game between the texans and the wizards the wizards parents seemed a lot more pleased with the result than the texan parents. I think their expectations are high. but i see nothing wrong with that.

Sure the Texans expectations should be high. They are the ones with 5 scholarships and the select team from well over 100 kids to choose from. Not to mention that they have the coach who is suppose to be next great one. They are also the ones who have the top 00 player (arguably), and recruited away top players from DT South, Bandits, & Wizards.


Also keep in mind that the parents that don't have their kids on scholarship on this team are paying well over $3K to be on this team and they were sold on the fact that this would be THE top team. Not winning is something they aren't used to.


I'm sure their egos were crushed when they tied with a rec team. And for any Wizards out there, please don't take offense to me saying rec. Please take it as a compliment to your bb's skill, heart and character. I talked to some people on the Wizards team and they told me that they didn't have any tryouts and that the majority of the team has been playing together since U8 in the rec league.

So do you have proof 5 have scholarships or are you just talking? Also, not positive, but I think the Texans fees are like $2600 (most seem to be close to that) are you including other things?

$2600 plus one out of town trip (they already went to OKC in August) will easily put you over the $3000 mark (one road trip probably equates to at least $500-600 for gas, hotel food etc.). add one more road trip between now and July and you are looking at closer to $4000 total for the year.

They are planning to go to Vegas as well. If that goes through, it may be well over $4K. (Not including any gambling $$!).

Marvin, please also tell me what proof I have to share with you for the Vegas trip info.

Heard that was called off, I guess you don't know everything. My point is other clubs do the same thing. So they are not paying much, if any, more than an FC Dallas, Solar,... You portray it as if they are the only ones playing tournaments, buying uniforms and going to camps. Did your bb go to any camps in the last 12 months? Did you pay for it? Did you buy uniforms? If you are not doing tournaments your loss, but my guess is you are and someone is paying for them. (I know most clubs include a couple tournaments in their dues). Again, my point is most clubs have similar expenses and it is not exclusive to the Texans or this team. My argument is not that it is not expensive, it is that it is expensive for all club teams. And that I don't know if they have scholarship players or not and I don't think you do either. But you stated it as fact. I would beat the parents on the team don't even know who is paying what. I will leave it at that.

If that's what you are reading into my post, then you have no room to call anyone a knucklehead.

This discussion was about why this team has high expectations. Nothing that I stated is untrue. Whether or not you think what they pay is "similar" to what others pay is your prerogative. It is not less than any other team out there.

Whether or not you think that they have scholarship players is also up to you. I am not going to go as far as naming the players because it wouldn't be right, but if you know this team well enough you could probably guess who they are pretty easily.

BTW, no need to beat any parents over this.... and those parents should know how many players on scholarship because it is stated in the Team Facts Sheet they get along with their contract. If the Texans didn't have that on there, then they just flat out lied to their parents.

Indy is DEFINITELY correct about the disclosure of the number of scholarships. The Team Fact Sheet requires that you list (1) Anticipated Roster Size; (2) Approximate Number of Players Returning from last season; and (3) Number of Players on Part or Full Scholarship. If this is done correctly then every parent on every team should be aware of how many players are paying full tuition, partial tuition partial scholarship and full scholarship.

[quote="soccer23"][quote="indyfc"]

Marvin wrote:

indyfc wrote:

soccer23 wrote:

Marvin wrote:

indyfc wrote:

sidenet wrote:Observation:
As the game between the texans and the wizards the wizards parents seemed a lot more pleased with the result than the texan parents. I think their expectations are high. but i see nothing wrong with that.

Sure the Texans expectations should be high. They are the ones with 5 scholarships and the select team from well over 100 kids to choose from. Not to mention that they have the coach who is suppose to be next great one. They are also the ones who have the top 00 player (arguably), and recruited away top players from DT South, Bandits, & Wizards.


Also keep in mind that the parents that don't have their kids on scholarship on this team are paying well over $3K to be on this team and they were sold on the fact that this would be THE top team. Not winning is something they aren't used to.


I'm sure their egos were crushed when they tied with a rec team. And for any Wizards out there, please don't take offense to me saying rec. Please take it as a compliment to your bb's skill, heart and character. I talked to some people on the Wizards team and they told me that they didn't have any tryouts and that the majority of the team has been playing together since U8 in the rec league.

So do you have proof 5 have scholarships or are you just talking? Also, not positive, but I think the Texans fees are like $2600 (most seem to be close to that) are you including other things?

$2600 plus one out of town trip (they already went to OKC in August) will easily put you over the $3000 mark (one road trip probably equates to at least $500-600 for gas, hotel food etc.). add one more road trip between now and July and you are looking at closer to $4000 total for the year.

They are planning to go to Vegas as well. If that goes through, it may be well over $4K. (Not including any gambling $$!).

Marvin, please also tell me what proof I have to share with you for the Vegas trip info.

Heard that was called off, I guess you don't know everything. My point is other clubs do the same thing. So they are not paying much, if any, more than an FC Dallas, Solar,... You portray it as if they are the only ones playing tournaments, buying uniforms and going to camps. Did your bb go to any camps in the last 12 months? Did you pay for it? Did you buy uniforms? If you are not doing tournaments your loss, but my guess is you are and someone is paying for them. (I know most clubs include a couple tournaments in their dues). Again, my point is most clubs have similar expenses and it is not exclusive to the Texans or this team. My argument is not that it is not expensive, it is that it is expensive for all club teams. And that I don't know if they have scholarship players or not and I don't think you do either. But you stated it as fact. I would beat the parents on the team don't even know who is paying what. I will leave it at that.

If that's what you are reading into my post, then you have no room to call anyone a knucklehead.

This discussion was about why this team has high expectations. Nothing that I stated is untrue. Whether or not you think what they pay is "similar" to what others pay is your prerogative. It is not less than any other team out there.

Whether or not you think that they have scholarship players is also up to you. I am not going to go as far as naming the players because it wouldn't be right, but if you know this team well enough you could probably guess who they are pretty easily.

BTW, no need to beat any parents over this.... and those parents should know how many players on scholarship because it is stated in the Team Facts Sheet they get along with their contract. If the Texans didn't have that on there, then they just flat out lied to their parents.

Indy is DEFINITELY correct about the disclosure of the number of scholarships. The Team Fact Sheet requires that you list (1) Anticipated Roster Size; (2) Approximate Number of Players Returning from last season; and (3) Number of Players on Part or Full Scholarship. If this is done correctly then every parent on every team should be aware of how many players are paying full tuition, partial tuition partial scholarship and full scholarship.

Not EXACTLY, team fact sheets are due in by June 15th to NTSSA. Signing doesn't start until July 1st. NTSSA does NOT require the number of scholarshipped players to be reported on the team fact sheet. In a lot of cases, coaches have no idea who will show up to tryouts and if a scholarship can or will be awarded. Most clubs budget for 1 scholarship on a 16 man roster. If there are more than one it will usually require fund raising by the team. Most parents are not going to tell the other parents my kid is scholarshipped, so unless they ask the coach or manager (who should defer answer to the coach) who and how many full/partials, the parents may have not idea.

Marvin wrote:


Not EXACTLY, team fact sheets are due in by June 15th to NTSSA. Signing doesn't start until July 1st. NTSSA does NOT require the number of scholarshipped players to be reported on the team fact sheet. In a lot of cases, coaches have no idea who will show up to tryouts and if a scholarship can or will be awarded. Most clubs budget for 1 scholarship on a 16 man roster. If there are more than one it will usually require fund raising by the team. Most parents are not going to tell the other parents my kid is scholarshipped, so unless they ask the coach or manager (who should defer answer to the coach) who and how many full/partials, the parents may have not idea.

You are incorrect. The anticipated Roster Size, approximate Number of Players Returning from last season and the nuumber of Players on Part or Full Scholarship is clearly on the 1st page.

soccerrus2 wrote:

Marvin wrote:


Not EXACTLY, team fact sheets are due in by June 15th to NTSSA. Signing doesn't start until July 1st. NTSSA does NOT require the number of scholarshipped players to be reported on the team fact sheet. In a lot of cases, coaches have no idea who will show up to tryouts and if a scholarship can or will be awarded. Most clubs budget for 1 scholarship on a 16 man roster. If there are more than one it will usually require fund raising by the team. Most parents are not going to tell the other parents my kid is scholarshipped, so unless they ask the coach or manager (who should defer answer to the coach) who and how many full/partials, the parents may have not idea.

You are incorrect. The anticipated Roster Size, approximate Number of Players Returning from last season and the nuumber of Players on Part or Full Scholarship is clearly on the 1st page.

No, I don't think I am. What I said was they are not required to list the number of scholarships as 23 says. You are welcome to check with NTSSA if you like. I am not disputing that the information you quote is on the fact sheet. The key is "approximate" and "anticipated". That verbiage is there because those forms are due June 15th, well before a roster is finalized. You can't even sign for another 2 weeks. Most clubs state on the fact sheet TBD under scholarships unless they know they have no room in the budget, but again that can be made up by team fund raising. Most team budgets are based on 15 players, if you get 16 that gives you room for one scholarship, if you have 15 that money will have to come from somewhere else.

Marvin wrote:

soccerrus2 wrote:

Marvin wrote:


Not EXACTLY, team fact sheets are due in by June 15th to NTSSA. Signing doesn't start until July 1st. NTSSA does NOT require the number of scholarshipped players to be reported on the team fact sheet. In a lot of cases, coaches have no idea who will show up to tryouts and if a scholarship can or will be awarded. Most clubs budget for 1 scholarship on a 16 man roster. If there are more than one it will usually require fund raising by the team. Most parents are not going to tell the other parents my kid is scholarshipped, so unless they ask the coach or manager (who should defer answer to the coach) who and how many full/partials, the parents may have not idea.

You are incorrect. The anticipated Roster Size, approximate Number of Players Returning from last season and the nuumber of Players on Part or Full Scholarship is clearly on the 1st page.

No, I don't think I am. What I said was they are not required to list the number of scholarships as 23 says. You are welcome to check with NTSSA if you like. I am not disputing that the information you quote is on the fact sheet. The key is "approximate" and "anticipated". That verbiage is there because those forms are due June 15th, well before a roster is finalized. You can't even sign for another 2 weeks. Most clubs state on the fact sheet TBD under scholarships unless they know they have no room in the budget, but again that can be made up by team fund raising. Most team budgets are based on 15 players, if you get 16 that gives you room for one scholarship, if you have 15 that money will have to come from somewhere else.

No, you are wrong. And, your argument is a dead loser if you are going to base it on the "verbiage" (improper use of that word).

The adjective "anticipated" modifies the "roster size," the adjective "approximate" modifies the "number of players returning from last season," and there is NO qualifying adjective that modifies "number of players on part or full scholarship." There is no caveat for tryouts two weeks later, there is no equivocation and there is no "verbiage" (proper use of the word) to hide behind.

If clubs or teams or coaches are not providing this information accurately then they are doing so deliberately. The NTSSA rules are clear on what information is to be given and when it is to be given. The decision on how many scholarship players are to be on a team needs to be made and communicated to those trying out BEFORE the contract is signed. That is the whole point!!! Maybe I need to know if a scholarship is even available to me before I bother trying out. Maybe I want to know if I am paying 25% more so that some other kid gets to play for free. The point of the fact sheet is so that parents can be "educated consumers" (also noted on the Team Fact Sheet). Keeping the number of scholarships a secret until after contracts are signed is totally contrary to the stated purpose of the form.

2 my knowledge all the Texans players pay the same amount period, based on a a certain size roster. It doesn't matter on number of scholarships. Scholarships come from the club or coach but not the parents of a given team. I am pretty sure of that. On the 00 team, I think you would never find the number of scholarships you are looking for, but feel free to keep looking.

ifyousayso wrote:2 my knowledge all the Texans players pay the same amount period, based on a a certain size roster. It doesn't matter on number of scholarships. Scholarships come from the club or coach but not the parents of a given team. I am pretty sure of that. On the 00 team, I think you would never find the number of scholarships you are looking for, but feel free to keep looking.

What? Striker from Wizards makes one...confirmed...anyone want to add the next ones? I would doubt Academy coach pays for his bb...I will give them this one for the effort and time he committed in Academy...

Hate to jump into the middle of this one but since I have managed a team in an older age group for several years.....

Regarding the Fact Sheet, as stated by someone earlier it is due at the NTSSA office on June 15th. Since you don't even know exactly who you are signing at that point all you can generally do is guess about scholarships. You hand out the same fact sheet that NTSSA has on file, un-changed. Usually you try to guess high so that parents will know they are likely funding some scholarships either through fund-raising or higher fees.

If the Texans had 5 scholarship players shown on the fact sheet, that means they might actually have 0, 2, 4, or 7 - who knows. It is not a binding number, it is just an estimate. I always indicate one scholarship on our fact sheet even though we usually have none. This year I listed one again and we ended up giving two due to unexpected financial hardship from established players (we have never used scholarships as a recruitment tool, but that's just us).

Now back to the Ranger's post-game

ifyousayso wrote:2 my knowledge all the Texans players pay the same amount period, based on a a certain size roster. It doesn't matter on number of scholarships. Scholarships come from the club or coach but not the parents of a given team. I am pretty sure of that. On the 00 team, I think you would never find the number of scholarships you are looking for, but feel free to keep looking.

LOOK it's pretty frekin simple folks . A team has a budget to meet. Once the budget is met and the expenses are paid, the rest goes to the coach. Some team budgets are smaller IE, Indies.

Don't doubt for a minute that Hassan, FCD, Solar, Andro ect are not going to take their funds right off the top . If a coach wants to scholar a player to have a winning record thats his biz. Some take the loss knowing that if they win the paying players will run to them.

Example;coach charges 7 player $1,000 each. Team budget $ 7,000, The rest are scholared, coach makes Jack SH!t . but if he wins, may get another team . Get the picture.

The cost per player is set by the club . You don't pay any more if your dumb ass coach chooses to scholar 7 other players . As long as the bottom line budget is met, the clubs don't give a rats ass if the coach gets paid. Thats his dumb ass choice.

plantit wrote:

ifyousayso wrote:2 my knowledge all the Texans players pay the same amount period, based on a a certain size roster. It doesn't matter on number of scholarships. Scholarships come from the club or coach but not the parents of a given team. I am pretty sure of that. On the 00 team, I think you would never find the number of scholarships you are looking for, but feel free to keep looking.

LOOK it's pretty frekin simple folks . A team has a budget to meet. Once the budget is met and the expenses are paid, the rest goes to the coach. Some team budgets are smaller IE, Indies.

Don't doubt for a minute that Hassan, FCD, Solar, Andro ect are not going to take their funds right off the top . If a coach wants to scholar a player to have a winning record thats his biz. Some take the loss knowing that if they win the paying players will run to them.

Example;coach charges 7 player $1,000 each. Team budget $ 7,000, The rest are scholared, coach makes Jack SH!t . but if he wins, may get another team . Get the picture.

The cost per player is set by the club . You don't pay any more if your dumb ass coach chooses to scholar 7 other players . As long as the bottom line budget is met, the clubs don't give a rats ass if the coach gets paid. Thats his dumb ass choice.

Never one to sugarcoat anything are ya plantit? LMAO

soccer23 wrote:

Marvin wrote:

soccerrus2 wrote:

Marvin wrote:


Not EXACTLY, team fact sheets are due in by June 15th to NTSSA. Signing doesn't start until July 1st. NTSSA does NOT require the number of scholarshipped players to be reported on the team fact sheet. In a lot of cases, coaches have no idea who will show up to tryouts and if a scholarship can or will be awarded. Most clubs budget for 1 scholarship on a 16 man roster. If there are more than one it will usually require fund raising by the team. Most parents are not going to tell the other parents my kid is scholarshipped, so unless they ask the coach or manager (who should defer answer to the coach) who and how many full/partials, the parents may have not idea.

You are incorrect. The anticipated Roster Size, approximate Number of Players Returning from last season and the nuumber of Players on Part or Full Scholarship is clearly on the 1st page.

No, I don't think I am. What I said was they are not required to list the number of scholarships as 23 says. You are welcome to check with NTSSA if you like. I am not disputing that the information you quote is on the fact sheet. The key is "approximate" and "anticipated". That verbiage is there because those forms are due June 15th, well before a roster is finalized. You can't even sign for another 2 weeks. Most clubs state on the fact sheet TBD under scholarships unless they know they have no room in the budget, but again that can be made up by team fund raising. Most team budgets are based on 15 players, if you get 16 that gives you room for one scholarship, if you have 15 that money will have to come from somewhere else.

No, you are wrong. And, your argument is a dead loser if you are going to base it on the "verbiage" (improper use of that word).

The adjective "anticipated" modifies the "roster size," the adjective "approximate" modifies the "number of players returning from last season," and there is NO qualifying adjective that modifies "number of players on part or full scholarship." There is no caveat for tryouts two weeks later, there is no equivocation and there is no "verbiage" (proper use of the word) to hide behind.

If clubs or teams or coaches are not providing this information accurately then they are doing so deliberately. The NTSSA rules are clear on what information is to be given and when it is to be given. The decision on how many scholarship players are to be on a team needs to be made and communicated to those trying out BEFORE the contract is signed. That is the whole point!!! Maybe I need to know if a scholarship is even available to me before I bother trying out. Maybe I want to know if I am paying 25% more so that some other kid gets to play for free. The point of the fact sheet is so that parents can be "educated consumers" (also noted on the Team Fact Sheet). Keeping the number of scholarships a secret until after contracts are signed is totally contrary to the stated purpose of the form.

I have a good idea, do what I did and call NTSSA. They wrote and enforce the rule. I am not making this sh_t up. Not my fault if you don't agree with the system, but it is what it is, so you keep believing that you have all the information.

I think I've used 1.5 scholarships for our Fact Sheet every year - but, in actuality, it's been as high as 4 some years, as low as 1.5. The timing of it makes it difficult to know as you really don't even know if you'll carry a full roster at the point it's done. You will have a good indication, but not know for certain.

Plantit is right - for MOST, not all coaches, the scholarships are out of his/her pocket unless they make it up via fundraising, benefactors or within their budget somehow (I have heard of a coach with a 'team fee' of several hundred dollars). There is nothing wrong with that if you can get it out of your parents, although I know some that ran as soon as they heard that.

The fact sheets are a good idea, but it's similar to a guesstimate you receive when buying a house - it's not exact. I would like them to be more line item centric so there aren't opportunities to hide things, however, and more detail around travel costs (I'll be over $5K for the year - purely soccer-related, primarily hotels, not transportation/food).