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    All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

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    byronr

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    All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

    Post  byronr on Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:47 pm

    Are coaches that lazy that they can’t spend a few minutes to write an evaluation and tell a player what they need to do to be better? I mean, I was thinking about my entire amateur playing career, and during that 14 year span I think I only got one written eval! How pathetic is that!

    Let me think back, ok, so I grew up in Oak Ridge, TN (no, surprisingly enough, that’s not where the Oak Ridge Boys are from) and my dad was my first coach. The game was pure: oranges at halftime and Capri Sun at the end of the game. When I outgrew my dad’s coaching, I joined my first travel squad. I’ll leave all names of the coaches out except for the exceptional ones. Perhaps in a future blog I’ll write in more depth about them...

    But as I moved from team to team, camp to camp, from Oak Ridge, TN to Knoxville, to TN ODP, then finally down to IMG Sports Academy in Bradenton, FL., I never once got any written feedback on ways to improve. I mean, I got a camp eval that said, “Good week at camp. Keep kickin’!” But seriously, that’s absolutely pointless. Save the paper dude.

    But where I ran into two of the finest coaches the US will ever see was down at IMG Sports Academy in Bradenton, FL. Let me introduce you to the one and only Ivo Wortmann. If you don’t know who he is, I suggest you go to a place called google and check him out. For this blog’s sake I’ll spare you his bio, but let’s just say he was magic. What’s funny is that he spoke a little more english than I knew portuguese. And for all of you who don’t know, basically I’m a professional swearer in portuguese! But let me tell you, he could communicate better than the most eloquent speaker. I felt like I was getting better by just being in his presence. He was phenomenal. I remember being 17 playing aginst MLS teams when they were in preseason, and he would pull me aside and break the game down in such a simple way. He would give you a “job” for the game, and you knew that at the end, if you did your job well, you played a good game. So, after games he was so fantastic and giving specific examples of plays during the game where I did my job well. But, like all good things, they must come to an end. But for every ending, there’s a new beginning and that was Tom Durkin, who for my money is arguably one of the best coaches in the states right now.

    And it was from Tom that I got my first eval. I still remember eval day at IMG. There were numerical scores for everything: passing, receiving, shooting, dribbling, defending, etc. It was very thorough. But what I took away most were the comments. You could tell that he had taken some time to address parts of my game that needed some work and some that I was doing well at. He went over the eval with all the players one at a time, and gave each a copy. I know I still have it saved in some box somewhere in my parents house.

    But I guess what’s most remarkable about this is that if a simple evaluation made such an impression on me, I’m sure it would do the same for all the other players out there. So there you go coaches. It’s been 12 years since Tom gave me my first eval, and I still remember it and most importantly I remember Tom. So, I ask you coaches: will your players remember you?

    clueless

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    Re: All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

    Post  clueless on Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:20 pm

    One of my kid's coaches did this - hasn't done it for a while, but plans to do so again.
    It was fantastic. Provide a list similar to the one mentioned, the player rates themselves and the coach rates them (prior to the meeting). Then, they discuss it.

    It gave the player and parent input into what they are doing well and what they can improve upon. This provided incentive for my child as well - hearing it from the coach made a huge difference in the message.

    byronr

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    Re: All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

    Post  byronr on Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:47 pm

    I bet this is the same experience for a lot of players and parents in youth soccer. I wonder what it will take for coaches to do player evaluations. They mean so much to a player. The worst feeling for a player and parent is not knowing where the player stands in regards to playing time and how to improve.
    In the coaches defense, maybe parents need to start requesting player evaluations. And when they do the player eval, thank the coach for all their effort.
    At the very least, an evaluation will help improve communication between the parent, player, and coach.

    scrdad

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    Re: All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

    Post  scrdad on Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:55 pm

    My son attended the ManU camp at Ross Stewart this summer. This was only a week-long camp, so clearly not as good as a coach's evaluation, but their process was to make the kids evaluate their own skills and then the coaching staff provided feedback as to whether the kids had correctly identified their strengths and weaknesses. It was an interesting spin on how to do it, and really made my son sit down and think about his game.

    my2cents

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    Re: All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

    Post  my2cents on Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:12 pm

    ODP does the written evaluations now at the regional camp but they are not very good or even accurate in some cases as it is done by someone who does not even know the players except for a couple of days. I guess the club coaches don't have the time for written ones. That you got one at IMG is not surprising after all it is only like $50g per year to attend.

    tglow

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    Re: All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

    Post  tglow on Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:20 pm

    At least the coaches at ODP are providing written evals. Yes, I've heard from some coaches that it's a lengthy process.

    Evals shouldn't be just for the players at IMG!!! Every player deserves to get written feedback.

    tabj

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    Re: All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

    Post  tabj on Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:29 pm

    Our club uses a program called ZoomReports to do our soccer player evaluations. It is pretty easy. If it takes a coach that long to do evals, maybe they should do them online. I think the website is www.zoomreports.com if you want to check it out.

    NorthKorea

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    Re: All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

    Post  NorthKorea on Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:33 pm

    My BB's coach has always done evaluations for all the boys on the team. He does it at the end of every fall or spring season and it is a great way too see how my BB is doing skills wise. Now I can safely say that the evaluations helped my BB become a great soccer player. I would definitely think that all coaches should do this as it is a great way to discuss strengths and weaknesses with the kids. However, I can see how it would be hard for coaches with lots of teams to do such lengthy evaluations. If coaches think it is too much work to do regular written evaluations, then they should at least arrange to talk with the players about strengths and weaknesses at the end of the season. This way everybody gets an evaluation, and a chance to get better.

    tglow

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    Re: All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

    Post  tglow on Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:40 pm

    If coaches think it is too much work to write an evaluation for the players on all the teams that he/she coaches, then they should find an easier way to do. Because every player should get one. As you pointed out, it helped BB become a great player. Shouldn't all players have that? Now I know that not all players are destined to be great, but at least an eval provides an opportunity to discuss what they can do to improve.

    soccerrus2

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    Re: All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

    Post  soccerrus2 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:14 am

    How about coaches getting evaluations by the club and parents...may clean up some acts!!

    tglow

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    Re: All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

    Post  tglow on Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:19 am

    Great idea! I definitely think that the coaches should get evaluated by the director of coaching. Maybe after watching a few practices or games. Then write out the things that he/she does well, and things that need some work.


    The German

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    Re: All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

    Post  The German on Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:58 am

    tglow wrote:Great idea! I definitely think that the coaches should get evaluated by the director of coaching. Maybe after watching a few practices or games. Then write out the things that he/she does well, and things that need some work.

    And then the coaches should get paid according to the evaluation, right?

    tglow

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    Re: All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

    Post  tglow on Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:29 am

    That might be a bit extreme in my opinion. They should get paid what they should get paid. But, when you coach in a club you're in the service business. If those who you are serving (the players) aren't enjoying the experience, then the director of coaching, club, board, whoever needs to take a hard look at that coach's future in the club. Or, and this is what I prefer, develop the coach for crying out loud!

    tabj

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    Re: All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

    Post  tabj on Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:39 pm

    If anyone is doing soccer player evaluations in the coming months, here are some free soccer evaluation forms you can use.

    Free Soccer Evaluation Forms

    SoccerXXX

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    Re: All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

    Post  SoccerXXX on Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:07 pm

    At the end of the day it would be great to have a document / template to discuss your bb's development with their coach but overall just having the one on one discussions is a great way to see where your bb is in the coaches eyes.

    My bb and I have been fortunate to have had a majority of his rec, academy, and now select coaches willing to talk to us on the development my bb's skills.

    Goal4Momma

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    Re: All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

    Post  Goal4Momma on Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:11 pm

    our coach does very elaborate evaluations on our boys. Its a graphic chart of stats as well as performance. He spends a great deal of time writing the player evaluations and they are very fair. I will tell you that when the parents received them - they were absolutley shocked and overwhelmed to receive such a detailed report on their BB. The all commented on how nice it was that he took the time to watch and understand areas of strength and areas of opportunity. It really was a great experience for the players and families.

    He also perscribed individual workouts to help the boys improve technique, skill and muscle growth.

    Needless to say - it was very comprehensive and very much appreciated queen

    tabj

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    Re: All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

    Post  tabj on Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:02 pm

    For all of you coaches doing soccer player evaluations, there is a free Soccer Player Evaluation Form at the bottom of this site.

    Marmaduke

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    Re: All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

    Post  Marmaduke on Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:25 pm

    We do it after each Spring & Fall season. We will schedule about 30 minutes for the player, his parents and coach to discuss his development, progress and areas of improvement,etc.

    You can do about 4 per practice session. The rest of the boys play small sided games, etc during these Evaluation sessions. It usually take a couple weeks to get through the players on the team. But, I think it's very beneficial for all involved.

    If your team is not doing any type of player evaluation then should talk to your team manager or coach.



    soccerdad1

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    Re: All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

    Post  soccerdad1 on Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:35 pm

    Marmaduke wrote:We do it after each Spring & Fall season. We will schedule about 30 minutes for the player, his parents and coach to discuss his development, progress and areas of improvement,etc.

    You can do about 4 per practice session. The rest of the boys play small sided games, etc during these Evaluation sessions. It usually take a couple weeks to get through the players on the team. But, I think it's very beneficial for all involved.

    If your team is not doing any type of player evaluation then should talk to your team manager or coach.




    Or ask the other parents for an evaluation on your player-I'm sure they would be glad to let you know how your player is doing Smile

    4theluvofthegame

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    Re: All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

    Post  4theluvofthegame on Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:41 pm

    What age does your club start evaluations? Curious if there is an age that is too young to give this feedback.......

    Ochocinco

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    Re: All these Dues, and no Player Eval?

    Post  Ochocinco on Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:12 pm

    4theluvofthegame wrote:What age does your club start evaluations? Curious if there is an age that is too young to give this feedback.......


    It's never too early; I'd ask one for your '04. Rosales is new at this but it's just a matter of making it a habit. He does have several teams and it could be very time-consuming. If not for the entire team, at least request one for your BB.

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