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Speedy Gonzales- Posts: 286
Join date: 2009-07-24
ASG Gold the 7th overall seed? Somebody pulled some strings there.
rip- Posts: 147
Join date: 2009-07-08
Here are the seedings:
| 1 | DALLAS TEXANS CRAFT |
| 2 | SOLAR RED PASSOS |
| 3 | DALLAS TEXANS RED SOUTH HERNANDEZ |
| 4 | SOLAR CRAWFORD |
| 5 | ANDROMEDA RED BAZAN |
| 6 | FC DALLAS SUAREZ |
| 7 | ASG GOLD NORTH NGON |
| 8 | TEXAS GUNNERS MADDOX |
| 9 | TYLER AZZURRI NAPOLI SCHUBERT |
| 10 | FORT WORTH FC WHITE CATES |
| 11 | CD CHIVAS DALLAS JAQUEZ |
| 12 | DALLAS TEXANS RED CONNELL |
| 13 | COMETS BLUE BADII |
| 14 | FC FORCE BLACK BILY |
| 15 | ATLETICO MADRID LOPEZ |
| 16 | FC DALLAS SOUTH SAAVEDRA |
| 17 | DFW TEJANOS BARROW |
| 18 | FC DALLAS BLUE RHINE |
| 19 | BOCA JRS LOPEZ |
| 20 | ANDROMEDA GENTILE |
| 21 | FC DALLAS RED PRITCHETT |
| 22 | LIVERPOOL FC KEEGAN WARDROBE |
| 23 | UNITED SC SALDANA |
| 24 | OC WIZARDS BURCIAGA |
| 25 | DALLAS TEXANS SOUTH HERNANDEZ |
| 26 | TFC BLUE GARRET |
| 27 | CLUB CLASSIC ORANGE WILCO |
| 28 | TEXAS TITANS DALLAS VELEZ |
| 29 | FORT WORTH UNITED BLUE PHILLIPS |
| 30 | BARCELONA SC GARCIA |
| 31 | FC DALLAS CENTRAL DE LA FUENTE |
| 32 | COMETS RED BADII |
| 33 | DALLAS TEXANS WHITE FRANKLIN |
| 34 | REVOLUTION DFC |
| 35 | NECAXA FC LEON |
| 36 | TFC LARRY |
| 37 | DALLAS TEXANS TARRANT SOUTH RODRIGUEZ |
| 38 | MANCHESTER SC ANDERSON |
| 39 | FC DALLAS GOLD FIGUEROA |
| 40 | TLSC ORANGE OLALI |
| 41 | TEXAS LIGHTNING BLACK PICKARD |
| 42 | TEXAS TITANS WEST WINTON |
| 43 | NORTH TEXAS STRIKERS LOPEZ |
| 44 | DFW TORNADOS WHITE MEDINA |
| 45 | TEXAS TITANS WACO ILLING |
| 46 | FC DALLAS BLACK POCOCK |
| 47 | TRIUMPH FC SMITH |
| 48 | TLSC WHITE SASTOQUE |
middlewing256- Posts: 87
Join date: 2009-06-24
rip wrote:Here are the seedings:
1 DALLAS TEXANS CRAFT 2 SOLAR RED PASSOS 3 DALLAS TEXANS RED SOUTH HERNANDEZ 4 SOLAR CRAWFORD 5 ANDROMEDA RED BAZAN 6 FC DALLAS SUAREZ 7 ASG GOLD NORTH NGON 8 TEXAS GUNNERS MADDOX 9 TYLER AZZURRI NAPOLI SCHUBERT 10 FORT WORTH FC WHITE CATES 11 CD CHIVAS DALLAS JAQUEZ 12 DALLAS TEXANS RED CONNELL 13 COMETS BLUE BADII 14 FC FORCE BLACK BILY 15 ATLETICO MADRID LOPEZ 16 FC DALLAS SOUTH SAAVEDRA 17 DFW TEJANOS BARROW 18 FC DALLAS BLUE RHINE 19 BOCA JRS LOPEZ 20 ANDROMEDA GENTILE 21 FC DALLAS RED PRITCHETT 22 LIVERPOOL FC KEEGAN WARDROBE 23 UNITED SC SALDANA 24 OC WIZARDS BURCIAGA 25 DALLAS TEXANS SOUTH HERNANDEZ 26 TFC BLUE GARRET 27 CLUB CLASSIC ORANGE WILCO 28 TEXAS TITANS DALLAS VELEZ 29 FORT WORTH UNITED BLUE PHILLIPS 30 BARCELONA SC GARCIA 31 FC DALLAS CENTRAL DE LA FUENTE 32 COMETS RED BADII 33 DALLAS TEXANS WHITE FRANKLIN 34 REVOLUTION DFC 35 NECAXA FC LEON 36 TFC LARRY 37 DALLAS TEXANS TARRANT SOUTH RODRIGUEZ 38 MANCHESTER SC ANDERSON 39 FC DALLAS GOLD FIGUEROA 40 TLSC ORANGE OLALI 41 TEXAS LIGHTNING BLACK PICKARD 42 TEXAS TITANS WEST WINTON 43 NORTH TEXAS STRIKERS LOPEZ 44 DFW TORNADOS WHITE MEDINA 45 TEXAS TITANS WACO ILLING 46 FC DALLAS BLACK POCOCK 47 TRIUMPH FC SMITH 48 TLSC WHITE SASTOQUE
I think some of these are a little off - fc force not 14 - I think CCorange took 14 and Figo I think took 19 (FC gold) as well as Barcelona I think they were 10 - could be wrong though.
arsenalfan- Posts: 132
Join date: 2009-06-25
rip wrote:Here are the seedings:
1 DALLAS TEXANS CRAFT 2 SOLAR RED PASSOS 3 DALLAS TEXANS RED SOUTH HERNANDEZ 4 SOLAR CRAWFORD 5 ANDROMEDA RED BAZAN 6 FC DALLAS SUAREZ 7 ASG GOLD NORTH NGON 8 TEXAS GUNNERS MADDOX 9 TYLER AZZURRI NAPOLI SCHUBERT 10 FORT WORTH FC WHITE CATES 11 CD CHIVAS DALLAS JAQUEZ 12 DALLAS TEXANS RED CONNELL 13 COMETS BLUE BADII 14 FC FORCE BLACK BILY 15 ATLETICO MADRID LOPEZ 16 FC DALLAS SOUTH SAAVEDRA 17 DFW TEJANOS BARROW 18 FC DALLAS BLUE RHINE 19 BOCA JRS LOPEZ 20 ANDROMEDA GENTILE 21 FC DALLAS RED PRITCHETT 22 LIVERPOOL FC KEEGAN WARDROBE 23 UNITED SC SALDANA 24 OC WIZARDS BURCIAGA 25 DALLAS TEXANS SOUTH HERNANDEZ 26 TFC BLUE GARRET 27 CLUB CLASSIC ORANGE WILCO 28 TEXAS TITANS DALLAS VELEZ 29 FORT WORTH UNITED BLUE PHILLIPS 30 BARCELONA SC GARCIA 31 FC DALLAS CENTRAL DE LA FUENTE 32 COMETS RED BADII 33 DALLAS TEXANS WHITE FRANKLIN 34 REVOLUTION DFC 35 NECAXA FC LEON 36 TFC LARRY 37 DALLAS TEXANS TARRANT SOUTH RODRIGUEZ 38 MANCHESTER SC ANDERSON 39 FC DALLAS GOLD FIGUEROA 40 TLSC ORANGE OLALI 41 TEXAS LIGHTNING BLACK PICKARD 42 TEXAS TITANS WEST WINTON 43 NORTH TEXAS STRIKERS LOPEZ 44 DFW TORNADOS WHITE MEDINA 45 TEXAS TITANS WACO ILLING 46 FC DALLAS BLACK POCOCK 47 TRIUMPH FC SMITH 48 TLSC WHITE SASTOQUE
WOW. Solar Crawford a 4 seed. Where did they come from all of a sudden. They are good but #4.
rip- Posts: 147
Join date: 2009-07-08
This list is correct. You can figure the seeding out based on the Flight Results Grid and the schedule. Each group schedule follows a templated pattern.middlewing256 wrote:
I think some of these are a little off - fc force not 14 - I think CCorange took 14 and Figo I think took 19 (FC gold) as well as Barcelona I think they were 10 - could be wrong though.
middlewing256- Posts: 87
Join date: 2009-06-24
you are correct - sorry.
rip- Posts: 147
Join date: 2009-07-08
No problem. I do think FC Force is seeded a bit high (though they will challenge ASG) -- CC Orange and Barcelona a bit low. Group J looks to be the Group of Death....middlewing256 wrote:you are correct - sorry.
Speedy Gonzales- Posts: 286
Join date: 2009-07-24
I meant to say "Solar Crawford beating Solar Red in the Finals of Puma helped but I agree that the 4th seed is a little high". I haven't figured out how to tie my posts to the proper post yet. I'll get the hang of it eventually.
Last edited by Speedy Gonzales on Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:54 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : not clear)
Eight-Ball- Posts: 167
Join date: 2009-07-22
rip wrote:No problem. I do think FC Force is seeded a bit high (though they will challenge ASG) -- CC Orange and Barcelona a bit low. Group J looks to be the Group of Death....middlewing256 wrote:you are correct - sorry.
In general, how does the QT seeding match your ranking methodology that you have shared previously?
Eleven Eleven- Posts: 12
Join date: 2009-07-21
You mean to tell me that the Texas Titans are #28? They beat the #23 team last week and did pretty well as FC Dallas East.
CLUB31- Posts: 452
Join date: 2009-07-21
Bracket J and H are the toughest for good teams the first weekend and bracket I is a very weak bracket.
Speedy Gonzales- Posts: 286
Join date: 2009-07-24
CLUB31 wrote:Bracket J and H are the toughest for good teams the first weekend and bracket I is a very weak bracket.
Did you mean all five teams in I or just some of the teams are weak?
rip- Posts: 147
Join date: 2009-07-08
Here is a comparison of the QT seeding vs the "raw" PWR ranking. I don't believe there should necessarily be a significant correlation between the two numbers, but it is interesting as a comparison.Eight-Ball wrote:In general, how does the QT seeding match your ranking methodology that you have shared previously?
Remember that the PWR ranking is based solely on Summer tourney results (i.e teams that didn't play in any of the tourneys considered did not get a ranking.), while the QT seeding is based on what teams the committee would like to see in Classic League in the fall. Also, the PWR is still a work in progress. It has a very limited data set and given the lack of uniformity in the tourney fields, nothing to hold it up to. I expect over the season to make adjustments to try and get a more "realistic" result.
| QT | PWR | DIFF | |
| 1 | 2 | (1.0) | DALLAS TEXANS CRAFT |
| 2 | 3 | (1.0) | SOLAR RED PASSOS |
| 3 | 1 | 2.0 | DALLAS TEXANS RED SOUTH HERNANDEZ |
| 4 | 6 | (2.0) | SOLAR CRAWFORD |
| 5 | 4 | 1.0 | ANDROMEDA RED BAZAN |
| 6 | 8 | (2.0) | FC DALLAS SUAREZ |
| 7 | 11 | (4.0) | ASG GOLD NORTH NGON |
| 8 | 5 | 3.0 | TEXAS GUNNERS MADDOX |
| 9 | 16 | (7.0) | TYLER AZZURRI NAPOLI SCHUBERT |
| 10 | 20 | (10.0) | FORT WORTH FC WHITE CATES |
| 11 | 7 | 4.0 | CD CHIVAS DALLAS JAQUEZ |
| 12 | - | - | DALLAS TEXANS RED CONNELL |
| 13 | 14 | (1.0) | COMETS BLUE BADII |
| 14 | 32 | (18.0) | FC FORCE BLACK BILY |
| 15 | 12 | 3.0 | ATLETICO MADRID LOPEZ |
| 16 | 10 | 6.0 | FC DALLAS SOUTH SAAVEDRA |
| 17 | 35 | (18.0) | DFW TEJANOS BARROW |
| 18 | 17 | 1.0 | FC DALLAS BLUE RHINE |
| 19 | 15 | 4.0 | BOCA JRS LOPEZ |
| 20 | 27 | (7.0) | ANDROMEDA GENTILE |
| 21 | 19 | 2.0 | FC DALLAS RED PRITCHETT |
| 22 | 13 | 9.0 | LIVERPOOL FC KEEGAN WARDROBE |
| 23 | 26 | (3.0) | UNITED SC SALDANA |
| 24 | - | - | OC WIZARDS BURCIAGA |
| 25 | - | - | DALLAS TEXANS SOUTH HERNANDEZ |
| 26 | - | - | TFC BLUE GARRET |
| 27 | 18 | 9.0 | CLUB CLASSIC ORANGE WILCO |
| 28 | 9 | 19.0 | TEXAS TITANS DALLAS VELEZ |
| 29 | 22 | 7.0 | FORT WORTH UNITED BLUE PHILLIPS |
| 30 | 23 | 7.0 | BARCELONA SC GARCIA |
| 31 | 29 | 2.0 | FC DALLAS CENTRAL DE LA FUENTE |
| 32 | 21 | 11.0 | COMETS RED BADII |
| 33 | - | - | DALLAS TEXANS WHITE FRANKLIN |
| 34 | - | - | REVOLUTION DFC |
| 35 | - | - | NECAXA FC LEON |
| 36 | - | - | TFC LARRY |
| 37 | 33 | 4.0 | DALLAS TEXANS TARRANT SOUTH RODRIGUEZ |
| 38 | - | - | MANCHESTER SC ANDERSON |
| 39 | 24 | 15.0 | FC DALLAS GOLD FIGUEROA |
| 40 | 37 | 3.0 | TLSC ORANGE OLALI |
| 41 | 39 | 2.0 | TEXAS LIGHTNING BLACK PICKARD |
| 42 | 47 | (5.0) | TEXAS TITANS WEST WINTON |
| 43 | 34 | 9.0 | NORTH TEXAS STRIKERS LOPEZ |
| 44 | 39 | 5.0 | DFW TORNADOS WHITE MEDINA |
| 45 | - | - | TEXAS TITANS WACO ILLING |
| 46 | 30 | 16.0 | FC DALLAS BLACK POCOCK |
| 47 | 28 | 19.0 | TRIUMPH FC SMITH |
| 48 | 31 | 17.0 | TLSC WHITE SASTOQUE |
omega striker- Posts: 2075
Join date: 2009-07-02
I would have thought comets blue would have ranked higher then Gunners? based purely on their consistency and competiton played this whole year,and not just this summer? regardless bracket H will be a knock down drag out with comets blue,gunners and texas titans(formerly FCD velez) all potentially beating each other!
and i would like to see how the league seeded them and not just any of us guessing! some of these are just way the hell off! and for sure not deserved or earned!
and i would like to see how the league seeded them and not just any of us guessing! some of these are just way the hell off! and for sure not deserved or earned!
arsenalfan- Posts: 132
Join date: 2009-06-25
Speedy Gonzales wrote:I meant to say "Solar Crawford beating Solar Red in the Finals of Puma helped but I agree that the 4th seed is a little high". I haven't figured out how to tie my posts to the proper post yet. I'll get the hang of it eventually.
Its easy. just click on the the +QUOTE button after the section you want to reply to and type on the bottom.
Speedy Gonzales- Posts: 286
Join date: 2009-07-24
arsenalfan wrote:Speedy Gonzales wrote:I meant to say "Solar Crawford beating Solar Red in the Finals of Puma helped but I agree that the 4th seed is a little high". I haven't figured out how to tie my posts to the proper post yet. I'll get the hang of it eventually.
Its easy. just click on the the +QUOTE button after the section you want to reply to and type on the bottom.
Figured it out earlier. Thanks for the help.
CLUB31- Posts: 452
Join date: 2009-07-21
ASG North #7? They would have been #7 with the german kid, without him they are nowhere near that good. Tyler #9 is too high. Dallas Texan Red (Connell) has done zip to be # 12. Comets Blue # 13?
Speedy Gonzales- Posts: 286
Join date: 2009-07-24
omega striker wrote:I would have thought comets blue would have ranked higher then Gunners? based purely on their consistency and competiton played this whole year,and not just this summer? regardless bracket H will be a knock down drag out with comets blue,gunners and texas titans(formerly FCD velez) all potentially beating each other!
and i would like to see how the league seeded them and not just any of us guessing! some of these are just way the hell off! and for sure not deserved or earned!
Sounds like somebody didn't make the top ten. Am I right?
omega striker- Posts: 2075
Join date: 2009-07-02
I do't think the teams were ranked accordingly but thats just my observation! owe and my BB's team made the top ten just like I knew they would!Speedy Gonzales wrote:omega striker wrote:I would have thought comets blue would have ranked higher then Gunners? based purely on their consistency and competiton played this whole year,and not just this summer? regardless bracket H will be a knock down drag out with comets blue,gunners and texas titans(formerly FCD velez) all potentially beating each other!
and i would like to see how the league seeded them and not just any of us guessing! some of these are just way the hell off! and for sure not deserved or earned!
Sounds like somebody didn't make the top ten. Am I right?
Speedy Gonzales- Posts: 286
Join date: 2009-07-24
CLUB31 wrote:ASG North #7? They would have been #7 with the german kid, without him they are nowhere near that good. Tyler #9 is too high. Dallas Texan Red (Connell) has done zip to be # 12. Comets Blue # 13?
Add FC Dallas Suarez at No. 6 to any list of "too high" and chock it up to big club favortism because there is no way that team that finished with 13 points and didn't advance with an overall dismal performance at the Puma Cup deserves to be anywhere near the top 10.
rip- Posts: 147
Join date: 2009-07-08
You are so frickin hard-headed! What observation.... the fact that you don't agree with the seeding?omega striker wrote:I do't think the teams were ranked accordingly but thats just my observation! owe and my BB's team made the top ten just like I knew they would!Speedy Gonzales wrote:omega striker wrote:I would have thought comets blue would have ranked higher then Gunners? based purely on their consistency and competiton played this whole year,and not just this summer? regardless bracket H will be a knock down drag out with comets blue,gunners and texas titans(formerly FCD velez) all potentially beating each other!
and i would like to see how the league seeded them and not just any of us guessing! some of these are just way the hell off! and for sure not deserved or earned!
Sounds like somebody didn't make the top ten. Am I right?
It is an elementary exercise to reverse-engineer the overall seeding from the Flight Results Grid. Start at Group A with the first team listed (Dallas Texans) and work your way down to Group J listing all the first-teams. Then at Group J, list the second team (CD Chivas Dallas) and move back up to Group A listing all the second-teams. Then at Group A, repeat with the third teams going down to J, then back up to A with the fourth-teams. Then it gets a little tricky since there are 48 teams. Skip A & B and start with C on the fifth-teams. The 48 seed is TLSC White.
I have confirmed that this is how the seedings were bracketed. Like I said, the committee doesn't really care what you and I think. Their sole purpose is to build the field they want for Classic League in the Fall. I agree with you that several of the placements don't make sense, but this is what they came up with and its their game.
omega striker- Posts: 2075
Join date: 2009-07-02
oh i hear ya but for example teams like FCD Gold,FCD Blue,texas titans(velez) getting dropped way down the list is just way off!rip wrote:You are so frickin hard-headed! What observation.... the fact that you don't agree with the seeding?omega striker wrote:I do't think the teams were ranked accordingly but thats just my observation! owe and my BB's team made the top ten just like I knew they would!Speedy Gonzales wrote:omega striker wrote:I would have thought comets blue would have ranked higher then Gunners? based purely on their consistency and competiton played this whole year,and not just this summer? regardless bracket H will be a knock down drag out with comets blue,gunners and texas titans(formerly FCD velez) all potentially beating each other!
and i would like to see how the league seeded them and not just any of us guessing! some of these are just way the hell off! and for sure not deserved or earned!
Sounds like somebody didn't make the top ten. Am I right?
It is an elementary exercise to reverse-engineer the overall seeding from the Flight Results Grid. Start at Group A with the first team listed (Dallas Texans) and work your way down to Group J listing all the first-teams. Then at Group J, list the second team (CD Chivas Dallas) and move back up to Group A listing all the second-teams. Then at Group A, repeat with the third teams going down to J, then back up to A with the fourth-teams. Then it gets a little tricky since there are 48 teams. Skip A & B and start with C on the fifth-teams. The 48 seed is TLSC White.
I have confirmed that this is how the seedings were bracketed. Like I said, the committee doesn't really care what you and I think. Their sole purpose is to build the field they want for Classic League in the Fall. I agree with you that several of the placements don't make sense, but this is what they came up with and its their game.
go99- Posts: 2013
Join date: 2009-07-09
Location: Standing next to Klinsmann wispering in his ear.
I think some of the seeding is way off and partcuarly FCD gold was hosed. Looks like an attempt to spread the large number of FCD teams around. The seeding is really just someones guess at teams. Everyone still has to go into this weekend and play. Then return for the season and get it done. Being seeded top five is the easy part. Playing and staying there is the hard part. Good luck to everyone
Axxman- Posts: 982
Join date: 2009-07-09
Completely agree. These seedings do not mean a whole lot when it comes down to it. If you made top 10 and lose, what's the difference. And even if you win and qualify in D1, you will have to prove yourself during the season. So for now, as 99 points out, let them play. And to quote Mr. Holmes, "It's Elementary my Dear Watson".
And one other comment, if anyone tells AND1 about this site they are toast !!!!!!!!
And one other comment, if anyone tells AND1 about this site they are toast !!!!!!!!
Speedy Gonzales- Posts: 286
Join date: 2009-07-24
Axxman wrote:Completely agree. These seedings do not mean a whole lot when it comes down to it. If you made top 10 and lose, what's the difference. And even if you win and qualify in D1, you will have to prove yourself during the season. So for now, as 99 points out, let them play. And to quote Mr. Holmes, "It's Elementary my Dear Watson".
And one other comment, if anyone tells AND1 about this site they are toast !!!!!!!!
Too late, Calcio already got around TM's redirect by placing a "here" link to this site.
middlewing256- Posts: 87
Join date: 2009-06-24
so if you are in bracket a or b - and come in 2,3,or 4 - no matter what you continue on until the next weekend - is that right?
socmom3- Posts: 319
Join date: 2009-06-23
Location: Hmmm....not sure
Speedy Gonzales wrote:Axxman wrote:Completely agree. These seedings do not mean a whole lot when it comes down to it. If you made top 10 and lose, what's the difference. And even if you win and qualify in D1, you will have to prove yourself during the season. So for now, as 99 points out, let them play. And to quote Mr. Holmes, "It's Elementary my Dear Watson".
And one other comment, if anyone tells AND1 about this site they are toast !!!!!!!!
Too late, Calcio already got around TM's redirect by placing a "here" link to this site.
Shouldn't AND1 have to pass a profiency exam of some sort before allowed to post on here??? PLEASE??!!!
liebevin- Posts: 84
Join date: 2009-06-22
How about we all ignore his racist rantings and let him post all he wants....maybe he will get the message that we do not care and he might just go away...?????????
OKOKOK....I can dream a little, can't I??
OKOKOK....I can dream a little, can't I??
go99- Posts: 2013
Join date: 2009-07-09
Location: Standing next to Klinsmann wispering in his ear.
middlewing256 wrote:so if you are in bracket a or b - and come in 2,3,or 4 - no matter what you continue on until the next weekend - is that right?
good question. Since the 5th place team is eliminated what happenes with the teams that only have 4 in their bracket?