Here's my attempt to predict where everyone will end up based on what they did the first half and based on what they have left on their schedule in the 2nd half:

1) Txn Gall (maybe will tie one more time)
2) Andro Red (have about an equal schedule in 2nd half as 1st half - Wizards, Premier, Solar, Gall - the rest against bottom half teams).
3) Bandits (tough defensive team, will get wins where supposed to, and will likely tie most of the tougher teams - 6 of 9 games will be top 10 teams)
4) Solar (6 of 9 games against top 10 teams - win a couple, tie a couple, lose a couple against this competition).
5) Wizards (Tough team to beat - 5 of 9 games left against top 10 teams - like the Bandits, will scrap defensively).
6) FCD East (Only 3 games against top 10 teams left - proved themselves in first half, will continue to do so)
7) TFC Wells (5 games against top 10 teams - end of last season seemed to show that people started figuring out how to beat them).
8 ) FCD Premier (7 of 9 games against top 10 teams - talented team, but they have a tough schedule ahead).
9) Txn Red (Played 7 of top 10 teams last season, only 2 more to play in Spring - may end up even higher - they toughed it out with some good results against the top teams in Fall).
10) Toros (Another team with only 2 of the top 10 left to play, could end up higher than this with their schedule left).

11) Andro White (Only 2 games left against top 10 teams - they could challenge for 10 if Toros don't take care of business).
12) Tigres (3 games left against top 10 teams - 4 if you include Andro White in that group - not the easiest schedule left, but a good team - don't see enough points left to get into top 10 though).
13) Liverpool (Looked good at the end of Fall season. 4 games left against top 10 teams - maybe 5 if you include Andro White)
14) Solar Red (6 of 9 games left against top 10 teams, not many points left for this team to earn unless they can make a huge about-face from the Fall).
15) ASG (Looks like they will have a very similar schedule in Spring as they did in Fall - will end up about in same spot).
16) Odyssey (5 of 9 games against top 10 teams, 6 if you include Andro White - tough schedule)
17) Tejanos (Similar schedule to Fall, but they have more talent than they've shown, they should win a couple if they haven't thrown in the towel).
18) FWFC (Pretty tough schedule in Spring - Gall, Wells, Andro Red, Toros, Tigres, Solar Red, Andro White - doesn't look good).
19) Strikers (Another bottom team with a tough Spring schedule - solar, Wells, FCD East, Txn Red, Tigres, Andro White).
20) TFC White (Don't see a win or even tie in the Spring unfortunately - Bandits, Wizards, Andro Red, FCD East, Txn Red, Toros, Solar Red, Andro White, maybe they get points against Tejanos if Tejanos have quit).

How's that?

Nice ! Especially adding how many top teams they each will play. It sounds very right to me.
My biggest surprise and disappointment is still with the Tigres. I thought they looked good during Qualifier with those 2 guys one top that are soo incredibly good. But the team can't pull it up. If they indeed fall D2 there will be some nice pickup for U12. The recruiting summer season will sure be interesting.

R1 wrote:Here's my attempt to predict where everyone will end up based on what they did the first half and based on what they have left on their schedule in the 2nd half:

1) Txn Gall (maybe will tie one more time)
2) Andro Red (have about an equal schedule in 2nd half as 1st half - Wizards, Premier, Solar, Gall - the rest against bottom half teams).
3) Bandits (tough defensive team, will get wins where supposed to, and will likely tie most of the tougher teams - 6 of 9 games will be top 10 teams)
4) Solar (6 of 9 games against top 10 teams - win a couple, tie a couple, lose a couple against this competition).
5) Wizards (Tough team to beat - 5 of 9 games left against top 10 teams - like the Bandits, will scrap defensively).
6) FCD East (Only 3 games against top 10 teams left - proved themselves in first half, will continue to do so)
7) TFC Wells (5 games against top 10 teams - end of last season seemed to show that people started figuring out how to beat them).
8 ) FCD Premier (7 of 9 games against top 10 teams - talented team, but they have a tough schedule ahead).
9) Txn Red (Played 7 of top 10 teams last season, only 2 more to play in Spring - may end up even higher - they toughed it out with some good results against the top teams in Fall).
10) Toros (Another team with only 2 of the top 10 left to play, could end up higher than this with their schedule left).

11) Andro White (Only 2 games left against top 10 teams - they could challenge for 10 if Toros don't take care of business).
12) Tigres (3 games left against top 10 teams - 4 if you include Andro White in that group - not the easiest schedule left, but a good team - don't see enough points left to get into top 10 though).
13) Liverpool (Looked good at the end of Fall season. 4 games left against top 10 teams - maybe 5 if you include Andro White)
14) Solar Red (6 of 9 games left against top 10 teams, not many points left for this team to earn unless they can make a huge about-face from the Fall).
15) ASG (Looks like they will have a very similar schedule in Spring as they did in Fall - will end up about in same spot).
16) Odyssey (5 of 9 games against top 10 teams, 6 if you include Andro White - tough schedule)
17) Tejanos (Similar schedule to Fall, but they have more talent than they've shown, they should win a couple if they haven't thrown in the towel).
18) FWFC (Pretty tough schedule in Spring - Gall, Wells, Andro Red, Toros, Tigres, Solar Red, Andro White - doesn't look good).
19) Strikers (Another bottom team with a tough Spring schedule - solar, Wells, FCD East, Txn Red, Tigres, Andro White).
20) TFC White (Don't see a win or even tie in the Spring unfortunately - Bandits, Wizards, Andro Red, FCD East, Txn Red, Toros, Solar Red, Andro White, maybe they get points against Tejanos if Tejanos have quit).

How's that?

I don't see Andro Red leap frogging 5 teams in the standings. But I will say this, this is the team to watch next year. ML will get more talent and they will be better. I won't be surprised if they are better than DT Gall as I don't see them developing at the rate that Andro Red is developing.

You also have to look out for Bandits next year. JW has several players with raw talent that he is developing very nicely. I also think that parents with talented players on big clubs may look at this team as viable option. This is all dependent on the team holding it together after this year.

Solar could also be better. They should be able to pick up some of the athletes Solar Red has and put together a better team. I don't see how any parent could keep their bb on Solar Red under that coach. He treats kids very badly.

Texas Toros, Tigres and Andromeda White will be in a dogfight for the last spot in D1.

Everything else looks pretty solid.

The spring will play out without much change in the teams presently in the top 10. Maybe a few teams move up or down slightly, but I think it's set.

There will definitely be some great match ups in the spring.

R1 wrote:Here's my attempt to predict where everyone will end up based on what they did the first half and based on what they have left on their schedule in the 2nd half:

1) Txn Gall (maybe will tie one more time)
2) Andro Red (have about an equal schedule in 2nd half as 1st half - Wizards, Premier, Solar, Gall - the rest against bottom half teams).
3) Bandits (tough defensive team, will get wins where supposed to, and will likely tie most of the tougher teams - 6 of 9 games will be top 10 teams)
4) Solar (6 of 9 games against top 10 teams - win a couple, tie a couple, lose a couple against this competition).
5) Wizards (Tough team to beat - 5 of 9 games left against top 10 teams - like the Bandits, will scrap defensively).
6) FCD East (Only 3 games against top 10 teams left - proved themselves in first half, will continue to do so)
7) TFC Wells (5 games against top 10 teams - end of last season seemed to show that people started figuring out how to beat them).
8 ) FCD Premier (7 of 9 games against top 10 teams - talented team, but they have a tough schedule ahead).
9) Txn Red (Played 7 of top 10 teams last season, only 2 more to play in Spring - may end up even higher - they toughed it out with some good results against the top teams in Fall).
10) Toros (Another team with only 2 of the top 10 left to play, could end up higher than this with their schedule left).

11) Andro White (Only 2 games left against top 10 teams - they could challenge for 10 if Toros don't take care of business).
12) Tigres (3 games left against top 10 teams - 4 if you include Andro White in that group - not the easiest schedule left, but a good team - don't see enough points left to get into top 10 though).
13) Liverpool (Looked good at the end of Fall season. 4 games left against top 10 teams - maybe 5 if you include Andro White)
14) Solar Red (6 of 9 games left against top 10 teams, not many points left for this team to earn unless they can make a huge about-face from the Fall).
15) ASG (Looks like they will have a very similar schedule in Spring as they did in Fall - will end up about in same spot).
16) Odyssey (5 of 9 games against top 10 teams, 6 if you include Andro White - tough schedule)
17) Tejanos (Similar schedule to Fall, but they have more talent than they've shown, they should win a couple if they haven't thrown in the towel).
18) FWFC (Pretty tough schedule in Spring - Gall, Wells, Andro Red, Toros, Tigres, Solar Red, Andro White - doesn't look good).
19) Strikers (Another bottom team with a tough Spring schedule - solar, Wells, FCD East, Txn Red, Tigres, Andro White).
20) TFC White (Don't see a win or even tie in the Spring unfortunately - Bandits, Wizards, Andro Red, FCD East, Txn Red, Toros, Solar Red, Andro White, maybe they get points against Tejanos if Tejanos have quit).

How's that?

That's a pretty good assessment. For what it's worth(not much):


1.Gall wins--they can tie AND lose a game now and still maintain their lead, so that drama is over. They definitley won't lose twice.

2. Bandits--If they don't find the nets in spring they could drop, but not out of top 10

3. Wizards--They just hang around.....

4. FCD East--My surprise pick of Spring

5. Solar Partain--the next 4 or 5 are interchangeable, starting here

6. Andro Red--They rely heavily on strong D, but offensive struggles keep them standing pat

7. TFC--this team tough to figure out, as far as rankings go, easy to figure out how to play them

8. FCD Premier--probably will finish higher

9. Texans Craft--maybe will finish 6 or 7 based on favorable spring schedule--and they they are pretty damn good and getting better

10. Toros--Love what they have done. Started slow, kept plugging away, may finish higher as "current" top 10 shakes out

11. Andro White--whiskers away from D1

12 Tigres--could slide in to top 10 if a few current top teams freefall.


Based on available points, results, etc..., the remaining teams will not compete for the top 10.

A few things I think I think--

2 to 3 teams currently in top 10 will fall out of top 10 by spring, so it stands to reason that

2 to 3 teams currently in bottom 10 will rise in to the top 10.

all this "5 games against top 10 teams" stuff doesn't mean anything regarding results, certainly not to the kids. My bb's team played 7 teams in the lower 10, and with one exception, they were all close games from a scoring standpoint. if you're considered a top team, better not sleep on ANY opponent.

There will be surprises, just as in the fall. Good ones, bad ones.

And who, if anyone, will be the giant killer? Who will bring down Gall? Which team seems best equipped talent and matchup wise, to pull it off?

Any one want to put their sack up on the chopping block and answer that one? Sorry, mine is in my wife's purse......

Mmm. I wouldn't call it so soon. I think everything may happen between current #9 (texans red) and #14 (andro white). Since you mentioned that Solar red has a tough schedule we may exclude them. That still leaves us with 5 teams competing for 2 D1 spots. This spring season is going to be extremely stressful for those 5.
If I had to, I would also bet on toros and texans red to make it but it is just way to tight to call it and the teams are not consistent enough.

I can't wait for tournament season by the way !

And Indy, after repeated requests, still you have not revealed your true identity. You promised to do it at qualifying, yet, here we are.

jimulon6 wrote:And Indy, after repeated requests, still you have not revealed your true identity. You promised to do it at qualifying, yet, here we are.

Sorry jimulon6, I had a change of mind. I don't see any good coming out of it.

I try to give honest assessments of what I see and sometimes that means being hard on my own bbs team. I don't want anyone with a different perspective on what I post to take it out on me or my bb.

I was just kidding dude. With some of the vilified hate I read here at times, believe me I understand. Dads and I are always just floored on the amount of info you're privy to. We've been trying to figure it out for a year! A little mystery never hurts... So anyway, how 'bout you Indy, care to throw your informed opinion on who gives Gall the best challenge in Spring? Not standings, just who has best chance of toppling them.

Or does anyone even have a chance?

No one has a chance against their possession soccer. For Indy, check the van down by the river...

finish1 wrote:No one has a chance against their possession soccer. For Indy, check the van down by the river...

Not really sticking your neck out much. BB on the team?

Nope, but we know a lot of players on the team. Like the 99's before them, they are years ahead of average.


The van reference was a poke at Indy's avatar...Matt Foley, motivational speaker, "Well la-de-freekin-da!"

[quote="finish1"]Nope, but we know a lot of players on the team. Like the 99's before them, they are years ahead of average.

So, to clarify, you see nothing, no one that will even catch a slight wiff of success against them? Then how do explain the Wizards tie? if they are light years ahead of everyone, how can the absence of just one of them bring them crashing back to Earth so quickly. I mean, if they are ALL so far ahead, that is.

Indy, come back buddy, your secret is safe

Some believe one person can make a difference. Others don't. The Wizards played well against them in Academy. So did the Bandits. Right now, as a complete group, they are probably one of the best in the US at U11.

jimulon6 wrote:Indy, come back buddy, your secret is safe

Had to step away to do some motivational speaking. I started by letting all our bb's at practice know that they would probably find out as they go out in the world that they weren't going to amount to jack squat! I did have to tell a few parents to shut their big yappers while I was speaking! LOL

Anyway, Bandits & FCD Premier have a shot. Like finish1 stated, Wizards, Bandits & FCD Premier have been the only teams to have success against DT over the past two years.

You can correct me if I'm wrong, but Bandits have two wins and tie against them, Wizards have a tie and a win against them and FCD Premier has a tie against them in 09-10 timeframe. Those are the only blemishes in their record against teams from the same age group.

For FCD Premier it depends on what team shows up to play them. If its the motivated team then they have a shot. If it's the hey we are FCD Premier and are better than everyone else just because we are FCD Premier team, then they don't stand a chance. That's what happened with them against TFC Wells and Toros.

Bandits just has to play their physical, tenacious, smothering game all game long. They should keep their best 11 players on the field for the majority of this game.

I also agree 100% with finish1 that this team is probably one of the best in the country in this age group.

Do you guys have some sort of nat'l U11 knowledge base that I don't ? I agree that the CORE of that team is tops nationwide, probably, but what are your references to crown them best in the country?

And Indy stated that Andro red is developing faster than gall--why?

jimulon6 wrote:Do you guys have some sort of nat'l U11 knowledge base that I don't ? I agree that the CORE of that team is tops nationwide, probably, but what are your references to crown them best in the country?

My work provides me the opportunity to travel quit a bit within the US. I always make it a point to check out the soccer scene when I go somewhere. I am familiar with South Texas, North Carolina, New England area, Arizona, Missouri, and Colorado. Most of these areas are hot beds for good soccer. The ones that I am not familiar with that are also considered near the top are California and Florida.

You can though look at tournaments such as Disney Cup (Disney Showcase for older age groups) and Las Vegas Cup and see how the NTX teams do in those tournaments and come to an educated conclusion.

Lets not embellish, no one is crowning them the best in the country. You cannot deny their talent level and play. Whether we like it or not, they are the measuring stick in NTX and NTX historically has had some of the best soccer in the country.

BTW, seems like to me that Bandits should be looking for every opportunity to play DT Gall. Why aren't Bandits playing in the DT Fall Festival? TFC Wells, Wizards and even FCD Premier are in this tournament. Seems to me like Bandits would benefit more from playing this level of competition than what's in the XARA tournament.

jimulon6 wrote:And Indy stated that Andro red is developing faster than gall--why?

Pure observation. I don't want this to be offensive to Andro Red, but the talent level DT Gall has is much higher than Andro Red. Having said that, compared to where Andro Red was pre-QT and where it is now, they have made tremendous improvement. Their possession game has improved and their skill level has improved.

IMO, DT Gall is playing at the same level it was in U10 with more individual talent. They even updgraded their talent, but again, to me their play is still the same.

indyfc wrote:

jimulon6 wrote:Do you guys have some sort of nat'l U11 knowledge base that I don't ? I agree that the CORE of that team is tops nationwide, probably, but what are your references to crown them best in the country?

My work provides me the opportunity to travel quit a bit within the US. I always make it a point to check out the soccer scene when I go somewhere. I am familiar with South Texas, North Carolina, New England area, Arizona, Missouri, and Colorado. Most of these areas are hot beds for good soccer. The ones that I am not familiar with that are also considered near the top are California and Florida.

You can though look at tournaments such as Disney Cup (Disney Showcase for older age groups) and Las Vegas Cup and see how the NTX teams do in those tournaments and come to an educated conclusion.

Lets not embellish, no one is crowning them the best in the country. You cannot deny their talent level and play. Whether we like it or not, they are the measuring stick in NTX and NTX historically has had some of the best soccer in the country.

BTW, seems like to me that Bandits should be looking for every opportunity to play DT Gall. Why aren't Bandits playing in the DT Fall Festival? TFC Wells, Wizards and even FCD Premier are in this tournament. Seems to me like Bandits would benefit more from playing this level of competition than what's in the XARA tournament.

Ok, so you do have a reference. I will check out those tourney results, and see for myself. And I never denied their talent-- we've played against them, we've played with some of them in the past. Not sure why Bandits aren't playing Fall Festival, but I know it isn't because they fear any team.

indyfc wrote:

jimulon6 wrote:And Indy stated that Andro red is developing faster than gall--why?

Pure observation. I don't want this to be offensive to Andro Red, but the talent level DT Gall has is much higher than Andro Red. Having said that, compared to where Andro Red was pre-QT and where it is now, they have made tremendous improvement. Their possession game has improved and their skill level has improved.

IMO, DT Gall is playing at the same level it was in U10 with more individual talent. They even updgraded their talent, but again, to me their play is still the same.

Indy, I agree with you. Andro has come along way this season and will continue to improve in the spring.

Andro red has a coach who has shown to be better at developing players. Not just this 1st year but for a long time. Some of the Gall texan players were training with him before he left for smellier fields. Interesting to note that they have 'plateaued' under Gall, any insight from the players who have worked with both coaches?

drsoccer wrote:Andro red has a coach who has shown to be better at developing players. Not just this 1st year but for a long time. Some of the Gall texan players were training with him before he left for smellier fields. Interesting to note that they have 'plateaued' under Gall, any insight from the players who have worked with both coaches?

I wouldn't go so far as to say its anything about the coach's developing the kids. I think its more that the kids are learning to play together.

Andro Red, Texans Red, FCD Premier and Solar Partain are in similar positions. They all three have teams full of pretty good players that were thrown together just a short time before the Qualifying Tournament. Players take time to gell together. DT Gall, Bandits, Wizards, TFC Wells - they all have had a few years (if not more) to get to know eachother and play together. Andro Red, Texans Red, FCD Premier and Solar Partain players are much further behind as "teams" and playing together, but not so much with players.

R1 you are off base quite a bit.

Gall- Lost 3 kids to Andro Red at least, added a main kid from the Wizards, a main kid from the Bandits and a few from Solar Red. The good news for them is the 3-4 kids they added at least 2 of them are top players in the league

Bandits- Lost 3 of their best players, one to Solar, one to Andro and one to Gall, the goalie has only been there for 6 months or so as well. They also added a couple of other kids to the mix from other teams. This team was rated 8th in qualifying because I guess the "powers that be" thought the player losses were too much to overcome. What they failed to look at was they had literally just brought in 5-6 new kids and other starters were out and above all if your D is really good you always have a shot.

I thought Texans Red was the old Densk team in Academy, can't speak for the Wizards.

Spring opponents listed are pre-season ranked teams (I chose preseason rankings since schedules are unbalanced and it is difficult to choose who is top 10 at midseason). For reference Toros team was 14th in preseason rankings.

1) Txn Gall – 1, 5-9, 11-12, 20. (even with 8 of 9 vs. top 12, don’t see any drop off for this team).
2) Andro Red – 1-4, 6, 15-16, 19-20 (four wins and how many ties in the spring?)
3) Bandits – 1-3, 5-6, 14-15, 18-19 (I think they finish 2nd).
4) Solar – 1-5, 7-8, 16-17 (7 of 9 games vs. top 8…drop a couple of spots?)
5) Wizards – 1, 4-8, 10-11, 19 (8 of 9 vs. top 11, it ain’t easy, but they’ll do fine).
6) FCD East – 1-2, 4-5, 13-14, 17-19 (should do well in spring, but not top 5).
7) TFC Wells – 1-3, 6, 8-9, 17-18, 20 (6 left vs. top 9, but should be top ten).
8 ) FCD Premier – 2-3, 6-10, 12-13(all 9 games top 13, they will need a spring bounce).
9) Txn Red – 1, 3-4, 12-13, 16-19 (should be an interesting season for them, but I see .500).
10) Toros – 8-9, 12-13, 15-16, 17-20 (based on play in fall against big boys, they should do well in spring and finish in top 10).
11) Andro White – 2-3, 12, 15-20 (a beneficial schedule, but fall results showed a lot of balance across the league).
12) Tigres – 7-8, 11-14, 17-18, 20 (prequal darlings should do well in spring).
13) Liverpool – 6-7, 10-14, 17, 20 (will need to win some games against 10-14 to make headway).
14) Solar Red – 3, 5-7, 9-10, 18-20 (a tough row to hoe to be D1).
15) ASG – 1-2, 10, 11, 14-18 (outside of 2, all winnable games, but also all loseable games).
16) Odyssey – 4-5, 8-12, 14-15 (made most of fall schedule, see what the spring brings with a tough schedule).
17) Tejanos – 1, 9-10, 14-17, 19-20 (I smell a bounce, 8 of 9 vs. bottom 11).
18) FWFC – 2, 4-5, 7, 11, 13-16 (tough schedule, results of 13-16 will decide whether they play in D3 next year).
19) Strikers – 5-6, 9-13, 15-16 (tough schedule here, but they will battle it out with FWFC to see who plays D2).
20) TFC White – 3-4, 7-11, 13-14 (it looks like D3 to me).

I'm a little late to the party here but wanted to get in my thoughts in.

2011/12 (in order based on 2010/11 finishing positions)

Div. I

1) Texans Gall
2) Wizards
3) Bandits
4) FCD East
5) Andro Red
6) Solar
7) TFC Wells
8 ) FCD Premier
9) Texans Red
10) Toros/Andro White (toss up??)

Div. II

11) Andro White/Toros
12) Tigres
13) Odyssey
14) Solar Red
15) Liverpool
16) ASG
17) Strikers
18) FWFC
--------------- These two drop down to Div. III
19) Tejanos
20) TFC White

Div. III

21) Hurst
22) Chivas
--------------- These two remain in Div. II
23) FC Dallas
24) Texans White
25) AC Longview
26) Andro McLemore
27) Comets
28) Mitlan
----------------- These two have to play in Challenge tournament with PPL and APL top 2.
29) TFC Blue
30) Kernow Storm