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    Making National Teams

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    WRG

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    Making National Teams

    Post  WRG on Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:45 pm

    Does anyone know at what age the kids have a chance to make their way to one of th US National Teams? I know it is the one in a million kid that actually gets the chance to do it, but what is the process?

    Does he have to play with a certain team? Does the coach recomend him or does the National Team have scouts?

    For example, I learned there is a US under 14 national team. Anyone have kids that age that are in line to get an interest from those coaches?

    Just curious?

    thanks,

    Marmaduke

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    Re: Making National Teams

    Post  Marmaduke on Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:29 pm

    Olympic Development Program - ODP

    http://www.ntxsoccer.org/players/olympicdevelopmentprogram.aspx


    WRG

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    Re: Making National Teams

    Post  WRG on Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:38 pm

    Thanks,

    From a quick glance it looks like they try out for ODP in the fall of their U11 year and then go from there. If good enough, they go to the Regional Camp and are then evaluated for national teams.

    I have read on here some criticism of ODP in the past. Why bag on it when it is the avenue to better playing, better teams and international competition?


    jack0fspeed

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    Re: Making National Teams

    Post  jack0fspeed on Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:03 pm

    http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/soccer-blog/comments/233

    Principle over Politics, PLEASE!

    Well I just flew in from Los Angeles and the cold and rainy weather here at Indianapolis reminds me of why people pay so much to live out there, but I'll take my mortgage here any day. The weather in Southern California also makes it an ideal place to have youth national team training camps, and I was able to get glimpses of four such teams in action during my week out there. My longest and best look was of the U14 Boys National Team, the 1996 birth year age group. I liked much of what I saw from the group, with some skilled players with good soccer brains. Time always tells, but there could be a few good ones from this group.

    That said, coach Manny Schellscheidt feels the quantity of quality is not perhaps what it should be. He expressed this following the final matches of the camp and you can read his comments here: Manny, who has been involved in developing youth talent for a long time, is noticing a dropoff in participation in some parts of the country for the Olympic Development Program.

    With the advent of the US Soccer Development Academy, apparently a growing number of players are finding ODP to be an unnecessary distraction, even at a younger (U13, U14) age group.

    Now this gets to be a sticky wicket in American youth soccer circles. For a long time, ODP was the be-all-end-all when it came to national team identification. As Manny's comments indicate, it is still by far the main way players are identified for the U14 Boys National Team, which is the beginning of the national ID process. As players get older however and the U17 MNT Bradenton Residency program becomes the focal point, the extensive network devoted to covering the Development Academy league is increasingly the means by which players are identified.

    ODP for the older age groups on the boys side is a shadow of what it used to be quality-wise. Now, Manny sees this trend drifting downward to the younger ages. While Academy clubs may not be telling their players to ignore ODP (although in truth some clubs have been doing this since before there was an Academy), knowledge that the Academy is coming in another year or two for the impacted players is causing many of them to reconsider getting involved in ODP in the first place.

    The many problematic issues with ODP, particularly at the state level, make it an easy thing to boycott at least for some families. Now, I don't believe ODP is without a purpose. I believe it can still be a very useful part of the developmental process on the boys side and I'd like to see it. There are also many players, including with this '96 national group, who have been discovered by it and who have a bright future judging by their play last week. I do, however, see the elite youth soccer marketplace beginning to vote with its feet and what I do not want to see is US Soccer turning a blind eye to this activity for the sake of not ruffling feathers, political tradeoffs or whatever other reason other than what's best for the game.

    The scouting network US Soccer has for the Academy is the most extensive in the country. It's time to use it to help identify top U13 and U14 Boys players from the clubs across the country who are in their endeavor. If these clubs are following the guidelines and practices US Soccer has been preaching to its member clubs (and some and some aren't), it stands to reason that players younger than the Academy program age groups will also be progressing and worth identifying and developing further via the youth national team program.

    Saying all that, with the hiring of former Glasgow Rangers midfielder Claudio Reyna as technical director, US Soccer should be on the verge of a next or further phase involving its extensive youth development initiative, including expanding competition down to the U14 age group. I am hoping to talk with Claudio sometime soon and am hoping the media folks at US Soccer will allow me the opportunity to pick his brain to see how deeply and in what way youth development resonates with him.Stay tuned.



    gababa

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    Re: Making National Teams

    Post  gababa on Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:22 pm

    I was looking at the U14 national team via the article listed on that website under :http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/players-to-watch/players-to-watch-archives/nid-19605/US-U14-BNT-travel-abroadThe team is overwhelmingly dominated by players from california. I am also very surprised not to see any player from our area. Just 2 from the Houston area and nobody else from texas. Really, not 1 ?

    WRG

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    Re: Making National Teams

    Post  WRG on Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:25 pm

    Thanks, good article. After looking at this for a little bit it appears there are two avenues:

    1. Play ODP if you make the team, hope to make the regional camp, play well and get invited to the national camp.

    2. Play on a US academy team and get noticed by one of the scouts.

    Are Solar, Andromeda and Texans the only clubs with US Academy Teams in this area. Wouldn't those coaches be biased when picking kids for those teams? IE kids that have played with the club since they were young?

    Would a kid from a small independant club have a chance at making a Solar, Texans, Andromeda US Academy if he came out at age 15 for the first time to try out?


    happyfeet

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    Re: Making National Teams

    Post  happyfeet on Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:57 pm

    You forgot FC Dallas in your list!

    WRG

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    Re: Making National Teams

    Post  WRG on Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:12 pm

    You are right, my mistake.

    If your kid does not play for one of these teams from a young age is there any chance of him walking into the club at age 15 or 16 and making the Academy team? Assuming he is comparable in skill to the other kids on the team?


    THE NEEDLE

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    Re: Making National Teams

    Post  THE NEEDLE on Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:41 pm

    WRG wrote:You are right, my mistake.

    If your kid does not play for one of these teams from a young age is there any chance of him walking into the club at age 15 or 16 and making the Academy team? Assuming he is comparable in skill to the other kids on the team?



    Easy answer: The coaches are not looking for comparable. If your kid is comparable they will keep the kid they have. They will most certainly take a kid that is better or has the potential to be much better than their current players.

    plantit

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    Re: Making National Teams

    Post  plantit on Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:51 pm

    gababa wrote:I was looking at the U14 national team via the article listed on that website under :http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/players-to-watch/players-to-watch-archives/nid-19605/US-U14-BNT-travel-abroadThe team is overwhelmingly dominated by players from california. I am also very surprised not to see any player from our area. Just 2 from the Houston area and nobody else from texas. Really, not 1 ?


    That ought to tell you something.

    jack0fspeed

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    Re: Making National Teams

    Post  jack0fspeed on Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:30 am

    WRG wrote:You are right, my mistake.

    If your kid does not play for one of these teams from a young age is there any chance of him walking into the club at age 15 or 16 and making the Academy team? Assuming he is comparable in skill to the other kids on the team?



    As best as I can tell, you have to be a member of a development academy club (i.e. the four that have been mentioned) to be a part of the development academy.

    The ODP route is available to players not on an Academy club. Basically, you have to tryout and make an ODP team. Then you have to be selected for the ODP regional team to be scouted.

    The conclusion I'm drawing from the article I posted (and others that I've read) is that the ODP route is the the one to take at 13-14 (there is no Development Academy at that age) but that as kids get older, the DA route is better.

    go99

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    Re: Making National Teams

    Post  go99 on Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:34 am

    Neither. The route to the national team is be better than your peers. Standout on the field as a player and someone will find you. Or just have your dad get a job as one of the coaches

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