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Dallas Cup super group parings

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Dallas Cup super group parings

go99 on Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:36 pm

Friday, March 4, 2011
Announcing the Super Group pairings for Dr Pepper Dallas Cup XXXII

We already knew that Tigres would be facing Real Salt Lake-AZ, FC Dallas vs Barcelona and Dallas Texans vs Arsenal, but now it's time to reveal all the pairings in the Super Group of Dr Pepper Dallas Cup XXXII.

Group A
Arsenal(England)
Club Bolivar(Bolivia)
Chorillo FC(Panama)
Dallas Texans(USA)

Group B
FC Barcelona(Spain)
CS Cartagines(Costa Rica)
Japan U18 National team
FC Dallas(USA)

Group C
SC Corinthians(Brazil)
Tigres(Mexico)
Vancouver Whitecaps(Canada)
Real Salt Lake-AZ(USA)

Group D
Coritiba FC(Brazil)
Eintracht Frankfurt(Germany)
LD Alajuelense(Costa Rica)
Houston Dynamo(USA)

Each group team will face each other once with the winners of the groups facing off in the semi-finals and the winners playing for the Dallas Cup 32 Super Group championship.

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gababa on Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:48 am

This is awesome ! I need my tickets and my days off from work. Where is the schedule again ?

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go99 on Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:37 am

Don't think they have released the schedules yet. I will definitely be off for the week

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soccerrus2 on Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:14 pm

Fantastic matchups!My favorite soccer time of the year!

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Yak Attack on Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:33 pm

gababa wrote:This is awesome ! I need my tickets and my days off from work. Where is the schedule again ?

While I have been known to drift off a few DC Cup afternoons in the past to catch a good match, no real need to take time off for Super Group matches. The first Sunday, then Wed evening, and then the final weekend build up to the Sunday finals.

DC tradition is a wonderful thing. cheers

cheers

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TheFarPost on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:38 am

Texans are in for a rude awakening!

Arsenal- Oh my!!!

Just enjoy the experience.

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SoccerNutz07 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:49 am

TheFarPost wrote:
Texans are in for a rude awakening!

Arsenal- Oh my!!!

Just enjoy the experience.

Not just the Texans, all of the three academies in the DFW area are in for rude awakening.

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futbolnutt on Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:10 am

SoccerNutz07 wrote:
TheFarPost wrote:
Texans are in for a rude awakening!

Arsenal- Oh my!!!

Just enjoy the experience.

Not just the Texans, all of the three academies in the DFW area are in for rude awakening.

Well, the academies have been playing in the Super Group the last couple of years so I don't think there will be a rude awakening. Chelsea, Tottenham, Tigres, etc were here last year and the academies were respectable.

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soccergrinder on Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:18 am

SoccerNutz07 wrote:Not just the Texans, all of the three academies in the DFW area are in for rude awakening.

There are only two academy teams from the DFW area in the Super Group. Not three.

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pwip on Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:48 am

SoccerNutz07 wrote:
TheFarPost wrote:
Texans are in for a rude awakening!

This is the 32nd year of the Dallas Cup. I don't think this is a surprise to anyone accepted into the tournament.

Arsenal- Oh my!!!

Just enjoy the experience.

Not just the Texans, all of the three academies in the DFW area are in for rude awakening.

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futbolnutt on Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:17 pm

Not a FC Dallas youth club fan, but, sounds like both Academy teams did not have a rude awakening in Spain last week.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/fc-dallas-academy-gets-taste-spain

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Soccernovice on Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:06 pm

FC Dallas did very well last year in Super Group I was very impressed with their quality of play and skill. The FC Dallas Development Academy program seems to be getting good results from their DA program. Congradulations to those that are in the program. Trips like this to Europe are invaluable learning experiences.

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soccergrinder on Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:39 pm

Soccernovice wrote:FC Dallas did very well last year in Super Group I was very impressed with their quality of play and skill. The FC Dallas Development Academy program seems to be getting good results from their DA program. Congradulations to those that are in the program. Trips like this to Europe are invaluable learning experiences.

They should be dominating the entire DA league since they have 4 or 5 professional players on the U17/U18 amateur team. However, the U15/U16 team doesn’t have the professional players so they aren’t doing as well.

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go99 on Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:27 am

Thats not exactly true. The took some of the kids who had been recently signed to the pro team with them to spain. So the statement that they pull pro's down to play in the AL is misleading and false. Also the current u16 team is doing fine and if you think that the W-L matter then you don't get the FCD AL team at all or the leagues purpose.

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soccergrinder on Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:51 am

go99 wrote:Thats not exactly true. The took some of the kids who had been recently signed to the pro team with them to spain. So the statement that they pull pro's down to play in the AL is misleading and false. Also the current u16 team is doing fine and if you think that the W-L matter then you don't get the FCD AL team at all or the leagues purpose.

There are 4 to 5 players (I belive one came over from Real Madrid) who have already signed professional contracts with the FC Dallas Pro Team playing on the U17/U18 Academy. FC Dallas petitioned the USSF Academy to allow this. This is not specualtion but is a well known fact. This the only sport I am aware of that allows this. NCAA does not allow this but USSF does.

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go99 on Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:56 am

Who is the real player? I know they signed a Keeper who played at athletico as a youth but he was in the academy progam already when they signed him. Again not the other way around. The ones you speak of were on the AL team already and then signed to the pro team from there not the other way around and it was 6 total. They did take 3 or 4 of those pro players to spain but they will not be playing in the AL as they now have the reserve league that those players are playing in. So still find your well know fact misleading and questionable. The names of those players would help.

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TheFarPost on Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:01 pm

Grinder is correct

There are several with pro contracts that have been playing all year on U/18 Academy team.
4-5 have played in almost every game this year

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go99 on Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:10 pm

After they were signed? And which 4 or 5? I know they are playing in the reserve league currently so seems like a waste of space to have them play both. Also to be fair the curret 17/18 group is the same group that dominated the 15/16 AL before any of them were pro. Also to be on topic I think they may be in for a much bigger challenge against Barca. Know to be a much better youth system than real although we may see some younger player for barca. Would not expect them to win even if they do bring in pro players

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TheFarPost on Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:25 pm

Why does it matter when they signed.

I agree pros are not coming from the MLS team and playing Academy.
The players that I am referring to are players signed and left on the U/18 Academy because they
will not be getting very much playing time.4 signed before the year started and 2 during the year.

The loophole is the original 4 are early 92 birth year players. Most of the early 92 birth year players that are still playing are in college playing.
These players signed pro contracts before the year and a deal was made between MLS and USSF to let them stay on Academy rosters
if they are under a set amount of playing time at the pro level.
But they are Pro players playing in academy U/17-18

Top
Ulloa
Sanchez(u/16 Keeper formally TFC- Madrid/Mexico national team
Hernandez
Leyva
Luna(on roster but has not played Academy this year)

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go99 on Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:50 pm

okay now that makes seems more likely. The suggestion seem to be that FCD was bringing down pro players and stacking the teams so that the could "win" in AL and thats why it mattered when. Most of those were just signed and I was not aware they were still actually playing in AL. The need may have been there before bust it seems redundent now as the MLS reserve league is now up and play so those players can get minutes. They are currently playing in those games with Luna hitting the top team also. At this point it seems best to pull them from the AL play. The spain trip and even Dallas cup are a different story all together. Best to showcase players you have the ability to sell. Now also under the new NCAA rule as long as those players are not paid, they still elgible to play in college also.

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futbolnutt on Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:10 pm

WOW! If a player signs a professional contract, they are a professional as of the date of the contract. They should not be allowed to play amateur any longer. That's what Reserves are for.

The Spain trip sounds like friendlies, so, no big deal. Dallas Cup is a youth amateur tournament. That would be completely wrong for professionals to play in amateur tournaments period.

Was the intent of USSF to allow MLS teams to bounce players back and forth as they deem it to be most beneficial?

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go99 on Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:39 pm

it would be tough to classify many of the kids on the supergroup teams as amatuers

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soccergrinder on Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:10 pm

go99 wrote: Now also under the new NCAA rule as long as those players are not paid, they still elgible to play in college also.

While I brought up NCAA for an example we are not talking college here. We are talking high school. FC Dallas has several pro players (not JUST signed, signed before the soccer year started) on their team playing against other high school amateur academy teams. Since we are in Texas I guess I should say UIL. Does the UIL allow pro players to play on high school soccer, basketball and football teams? I don't know. What I know is it is not morally right, at least from my point of view, to have pro players playing in amateur sports. Maybe I am just old fashion.

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go99 on Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:15 pm

or maybe you are just on the texans and not liking the fcd view. They are all the same ages so your protest are a little much.

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THE NEEDLE on Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:36 pm

soccergrinder wrote:
go99 wrote: Now also under the new NCAA rule as long as those players are not paid, they still elgible to play in college also.

While I brought up NCAA for an example we are not talking college here. We are talking high school. FC Dallas has several pro players (not JUST signed, signed before the soccer year started) on their team playing against other high school amateur academy teams. Since we are in Texas I guess I should say UIL. Does the UIL allow pro players to play on high school soccer, basketball and football teams? I don't know. What I know is it is not morally right, at least from my point of view, to have pro players playing in amateur sports. Maybe I am just old fashion.

The academy teams are not High School teams anyway so that is irrelevant.

While I agree it doesn't sound right to most of us. It could be another small step toward the way soccer clubs are operated in the rest of the world.

Just some food for thought.

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soccerrus2 on Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:38 pm

go99 wrote:it would be tough to classify many of the kids on the supergroup teams as amatuers

Atleast with the foreign teams you are correct. If you are in the reserves...you are paid.

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soccergrinder on Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:22 pm

THE NEEDLE wrote:
The academy teams are not High School teams anyway so that is irrelevant.

While I agree it doesn't sound right to most of us. It could be another small step toward the way soccer clubs are operated in the rest of the world.

Just some food for thought.

The point is that they are made up of high school players. Not College players. Not Pro players.

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futbolnutt on Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:27 pm

John Agudelo is on the New York Red Bulls Academy roster. Does not appear he played any games, but, he is on the roster. Guess USSF doesn't care whether they are professional or amateur. Or it is an exception for MLS teams only.

Since FCDallas does not allow players on high school teams it would not impact UIL rules.

On the other hand his bio says he's an alumnus of the Academy team:
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The eighteen-year-old forward was the first product of the U.S. Soccer Development Academy to make an appearance for the U.S. Men’s National Team. The New York Red Bulls Academy alum became the youngest U.S. player to score in the modern era when the U.S. defeated South Africa 1-0 to win the 2010 Nelson Mandela Challenge in Cape Town, South Africa.

Three-semester alumnus of the U.S. Under-17 Residency Program (Fall 2008, Spring 2009, Fall 2009
Joined the New York Red Bulls Academy in the fall of 2007 playing for the U-15 side and also the U-16 and U-18 teams
As a 17-year-old started for the New York Red Bulls in both MLS Cup Playoff matches against San Jose
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And according to the USSF website FAQ:

Can Academy players participate with non-Academy teams during the season?
Full-time Academy players are only permitted to participate on their Academy team, high school soccer team and National Team duty.

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THE NEEDLE on Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:53 pm

soccergrinder wrote:
THE NEEDLE wrote:
The academy teams are not High School teams anyway so that is irrelevant.

While I agree it doesn't sound right to most of us. It could be another small step toward the way soccer clubs are operated in the rest of the world.

Just some food for thought.

The point is that they are made up of high school players. Not College players. Not Pro players.

There is no rule against college players. The age groups make it possible (e.g. 92).

There is no requirement they be enrolled in high school. They could even be in middle school.

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soccergrinder on Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:27 pm

futbolnutt wrote:And according to the USSF website FAQ:

Can Academy players participate with non-Academy teams during the season?
Full-time Academy players are only permitted to participate on their Academy team, high school soccer team and National Team duty.

So FC Dallas is breaking the stated USSF rules by having their Pro Academy players practicing and playing with their pro team? Very interesting.

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