CH1 wrote:NEXT SEASON PREVIEW U-16

ANYONE CARE TO COMMENT ON HOW CLASSIC LEAGUE WILL LOOK NEXT YEAR.WHO WILL BE WHERE? WHICH TEAMS WILL STAY, AND WHO WILL MAKE IT OUT OF THE CHALLENGE?

Crochet wrote:

CH1 wrote:NEXT SEASON PREVIEW U-16

ANYONE CARE TO COMMENT ON HOW CLASSIC LEAGUE WILL LOOK NEXT YEAR.WHO WILL BE WHERE? WHICH TEAMS WILL STAY, AND WHO WILL MAKE IT OUT OF THE CHALLENGE?

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Kaivermor wrote:Correct me (I am sure you will) where I am wrong...

D1 - top four teams from U15 will depart (assume Andro. is okay), but their slots will be filled by next in line from those big 4 clubs (this keeps some teams up that were to be relegated and brings 2 up from D2 that don't finish 1st or 2nd in D2)

D2 - Per above, Top 2 from D2 go up to D1; 2 more also move up to occupy slots vacated by D1 team in their same club, leaving 4 holes in D2. I think that may keeps 9th and 10 place from relegation to D3. Top 2 from D3 move up, and I think 3rd and 4th place from D3, also.

D3 - Top 2 move up. I think 3rd and 4 in D3 move up to D2, also. So I think that leaves remaining 6 in place, leaving 4 slots available in D3. I think bottom 2 will still play challenge with top 2 in Plano and top 2 in Arlington.

So really, it looks like in each division, in stead of the top 2 from the division below moving up, the top 4 will move up.

soccerdad96b wrote:

Kaivermor wrote:Correct me (I am sure you will) where I am wrong...

D1 - top four teams from U15 will depart (assume Andro. is okay), but their slots will be filled by next in line from those big 4 clubs (this keeps some teams up that were to be relegated and brings 2 up from D2 that don't finish 1st or 2nd in D2)

D2 - Per above, Top 2 from D2 go up to D1; 2 more also move up to occupy slots vacated by D1 team in their same club, leaving 4 holes in D2. I think that may keeps 9th and 10 place from relegation to D3. Top 2 from D3 move up, and I think 3rd and 4th place from D3, also.

D3 - Top 2 move up. I think 3rd and 4 in D3 move up to D2, also. So I think that leaves remaining 6 in place, leaving 4 slots available in D3. I think bottom 2 will still play challenge with top 2 in Plano and top 2 in Arlington.

So really, it looks like in each division, in stead of the top 2 from the division below moving up, the top 4 will move up.

The big clubs will not give up their byes. The real question is how many boys from the top 4 will go to their academys. Will they leave enough of this years roster to be eligible for Premier League?

off_the_woodwork wrote:

cancha123 wrote:D1 - Bottom 2 teams drop to D2
D2 - Top two teams move up to D1. Bottom 2 teams drop to D3
D3 - Top 2 teams move up to D2. Bottom 2 teams play in challenge tourney against hand picked teams from Plano and Arlington. I say hand picked only because yellow and red card totals play a part in the inviation process.

Even if the top 4 teams lost half of their players to academy teams or other, they will not give up their bye. They will fill in the vacancies with other players from within their club or outside recruits. Only way I know how they can lose their bye is to have 75% of the players move together to another club or indpendent team. In this case, they can inherit the bye.

Classic league is basically a joke after U15 (if not before) due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity in D1 the rest of the way from U16 and up. Way back when the league used to be about providing the highest level of competition. Now they seem to be more keen on keeping big clubs happy and filled with their stash of byes. In return CCSAI ensures they make money. Sad really.

If they really wanted this to be about competition, Classic League would take one of two steps following U15:
1. Eliminate "club gets the bye", and reinstate N+1 rule (if you don't retain half of your roster plus one from the previous year, you lose your bye.
OR BETTER yet:
2. Hold a qualifying tournament at U16. Everyone starts from scratch (makes sense because this is they year of probably the most player movement anyway.

I don't think either of these will ever happen in my soccer-dad career (and I have a U11 and U15 both in the league). But oh well.

off_the_woodwork wrote:Classic league is basically a joke after U15 (if not before) due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity in D1 the rest of the way from U16 and up. Way back when the league used to be about providing the highest level of competition. Now they seem to be more keen on keeping big clubs happy and filled with their stash of byes. In return CCSAI ensures they make money. Sad really.

If they really wanted this to be about competition, Classic League would take one of two steps following U15:
1. Eliminate "club gets the bye", and reinstate N+1 rule (if you don't retain half of your roster plus one from the previous year, you lose your bye.
OR BETTER yet:
2. Hold a qualifying tournament at U16. Everyone starts from scratch (makes sense because this is they year of probably the most player movement anyway.

I don't think either of these will ever happen in my soccer-dad career (and I have a U11 and U15 both in the league). But oh well.

soccergrinder wrote:

off_the_woodwork wrote:Classic league is basically a joke after U15 (if not before) due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity in D1 the rest of the way from U16 and up. Way back when the league used to be about providing the highest level of competition. Now they seem to be more keen on keeping big clubs happy and filled with their stash of byes. In return CCSAI ensures they make money. Sad really.

If they really wanted this to be about competition, Classic League would take one of two steps following U15:
1. Eliminate "club gets the bye", and reinstate N+1 rule (if you don't retain half of your roster plus one from the previous year, you lose your bye.
OR BETTER yet:
2. Hold a qualifying tournament at U16. Everyone starts from scratch (makes sense because this is they year of probably the most player movement anyway.

I don't think either of these will ever happen in my soccer-dad career (and I have a U11 and U15 both in the league). But oh well.

I fail to see any evidence to support your claim "due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity"

Here is what I see.

U16
1: Solar Red
2: Solar
3: FC Dallas

U17
1: Dallas Texans Red
3: FC Dallas

If these teams are bad how come they finished so high in the league?

my2cents wrote:So Odyssey with their 4 boy's and 8 girl's select teams is a big club now? Medium at best I would say.

Singaporefan wrote:

soccergrinder wrote:

off_the_woodwork wrote:Classic league is basically a joke after U15 (if not before) due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity in D1 the rest of the way from U16 and up. Way back when the league used to be about providing the highest level of competition. Now they seem to be more keen on keeping big clubs happy and filled with their stash of byes. In return CCSAI ensures they make money. Sad really.

If they really wanted this to be about competition, Classic League would take one of two steps following U15:
1. Eliminate "club gets the bye", and reinstate N+1 rule (if you don't retain half of your roster plus one from the previous year, you lose your bye.
OR BETTER yet:
2. Hold a qualifying tournament at U16. Everyone starts from scratch (makes sense because this is they year of probably the most player movement anyway.

I don't think either of these will ever happen in my soccer-dad career (and I have a U11 and U15 both in the league). But oh well.

I fail to see any evidence to support your claim "due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity"

Here is what I see.

U16
1: Solar Red
2: Solar
3: FC Dallas

U17
1: Dallas Texans Red
3: FC Dallas

If these teams are bad how come they finished so high in the league?

**THANK YOU, SOCCERGRINDER! I am so tired of hearing, "All the good players are in DA and Classic League sucks after U15." My bb purposely chose not to play in DA due to all the traveling involved. He wanted to stay with his current coach, even though he had the opportunity to play with Solar DA. Totally his choice. And my BB is a pretty decent player. Thank you.

socmom3 wrote:

Singaporefan wrote:

soccergrinder wrote:

off_the_woodwork wrote:Classic league is basically a joke after U15 (if not before) due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity in D1 the rest of the way from U16 and up. Way back when the league used to be about providing the highest level of competition. Now they seem to be more keen on keeping big clubs happy and filled with their stash of byes. In return CCSAI ensures they make money. Sad really.

If they really wanted this to be about competition, Classic League would take one of two steps following U15:
1. Eliminate "club gets the bye", and reinstate N+1 rule (if you don't retain half of your roster plus one from the previous year, you lose your bye.
OR BETTER yet:
2. Hold a qualifying tournament at U16. Everyone starts from scratch (makes sense because this is they year of probably the most player movement anyway.

I don't think either of these will ever happen in my soccer-dad career (and I have a U11 and U15 both in the league). But oh well.

I fail to see any evidence to support your claim "due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity"

Here is what I see.

U16
1: Solar Red
2: Solar
3: FC Dallas

U17
1: Dallas Texans Red
3: FC Dallas

If these teams are bad how come they finished so high in the league?

**THANK YOU, SOCCERGRINDER! I am so tired of hearing, "All the good players are in DA and Classic League sucks after U15." My bb purposely chose not to play in DA due to all the traveling involved. He wanted to stay with his current coach, even though he had the opportunity to play with Solar DA. Totally his choice. And my BB is a pretty decent player. Thank you.

"like" button....

....long time no see "singaporefan"!!

Singaporefan wrote:

socmom3 wrote:

Singaporefan wrote:

soccergrinder wrote:

off_the_woodwork wrote:Classic league is basically a joke after U15 (if not before) due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity in D1 the rest of the way from U16 and up. Way back when the league used to be about providing the highest level of competition. Now they seem to be more keen on keeping big clubs happy and filled with their stash of byes. In return CCSAI ensures they make money. Sad really.

If they really wanted this to be about competition, Classic League would take one of two steps following U15:
1. Eliminate "club gets the bye", and reinstate N+1 rule (if you don't retain half of your roster plus one from the previous year, you lose your bye.
OR BETTER yet:
2. Hold a qualifying tournament at U16. Everyone starts from scratch (makes sense because this is they year of probably the most player movement anyway.

I don't think either of these will ever happen in my soccer-dad career (and I have a U11 and U15 both in the league). But oh well.

I fail to see any evidence to support your claim "due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity"

Here is what I see.

U16
1: Solar Red
2: Solar
3: FC Dallas

U17
1: Dallas Texans Red
3: FC Dallas

If these teams are bad how come they finished so high in the league?

**THANK YOU, SOCCERGRINDER! I am so tired of hearing, "All the good players are in DA and Classic League sucks after U15." My bb purposely chose not to play in DA due to all the traveling involved. He wanted to stay with his current coach, even though he had the opportunity to play with Solar DA. Totally his choice. And my BB is a pretty decent player. Thank you.

"like" button....

....long time no see "singaporefan"!!

**Hey, SocMom3! You are someone who can be informative to the U15 parents about what to expect next year. You have been around the block with your bb's and definitely know the ropes.

off_the_woodwork wrote:
Classic league is basically a joke after U15 (if not before) due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity in D1 the rest of the way from U16 and up. Way back when the league used to be about providing the highest level of competition. Now they seem to be more keen on keeping big clubs happy and filled with their stash of byes. In return CCSAI ensures they make money. Sad really.

If they really wanted this to be about competition, Classic League would take one of two steps following U15:
1. Eliminate "club gets the bye", and reinstate N+1 rule (if you don't retain half of your roster plus one from the previous year, you lose your bye.
OR BETTER yet:
2. Hold a qualifying tournament at U16. Everyone starts from scratch (makes sense because this is they year of probably the most player movement anyway.

I don't think either of these will ever happen in my soccer-dad career (and I have a U11 and U15 both in the league). But oh well.

soccerrus2 wrote:

off_the_woodwork wrote:
Classic league is basically a joke after U15 (if not before) due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity in D1 the rest of the way from U16 and up. Way back when the league used to be about providing the highest level of competition. Now they seem to be more keen on keeping big clubs happy and filled with their stash of byes. In return CCSAI ensures they make money. Sad really.

If they really wanted this to be about competition, Classic League would take one of two steps following U15:
1. Eliminate "club gets the bye", and reinstate N+1 rule (if you don't retain half of your roster plus one from the previous year, you lose your bye.
OR BETTER yet:
2. Hold a qualifying tournament at U16. Everyone starts from scratch (makes sense because this is they year of probably the most player movement anyway.

I don't think either of these will ever happen in my soccer-dad career (and I have a U11 and U15 both in the league). But oh well.

I disagree that Classic after U15 is a joke. There are many talented players in D-1 that decided not to go to DA for a variety of reasons. The top 2-3 teams are in reality the only ones capable of winning the Grand Championship. Just like it has always been even before DA. To have a qualifying tournament would be a nightmare and only benefit the D-2 and D-3 teams that for many reasons were unable to move up and win their division.

soccerdad1 wrote:Congrats to the tornados for finishing 1st in d2. They will finally be able to advance after 5 years in d2. Hopefully they and Odyssey will be able to stay in D1. In the past, those that have moved up went back down by the next season (TFC gets to stay though).