futbolnutt wrote:

plantit wrote:

futbolnutt wrote:

txsoccerdad wrote:From what I gather,there has been meetings with the property owner and representatives from the FCD organization.
I'm unsure if they are negotiating a deal to purchase or lease the property from the owner but something should come to light by next week.

I have never seen soccer fields look as good as they do today but then again there's not 20 odd teams working the grassy surface down to dirt.

FCD or Texans make sense from a stability/size standpoint and having more of a presence in that part of the metroplex with a high quality facility. My question, if anybody as any idea, where does FCDallas money come from? The MLS team averages less than 5,000 fans. The Academy players are completely paid for; the other teams give out a lot of full and partial scholarships; they are starting a pro womens team, etc etc.

I can't imagine the MLS team brings in positive cash flow and I can't see the youth teams bring in enough money to cover all the deficit spending. What am I missing?

Do you put gas in your car? Or heat your house . It's called oil and gas . As in the Hunt group. Soccer is a tax deductible hobby to them.

That's what I was missing. In five years, there may be one super club and several wannabes.

there will also be less choices and the monopoly will drive up the price of soccer.

Anything can happen! The obvious choices would be the existing Academy clubs, but there would have to be a merger keeping the Andromeda name.

Its also very possible that there will only be 3 Academy Teams next season
Even if Andromeda sticks around and regroups with smaller numbers and new management.

Andro Lives!!

TheFarPost wrote:
Anything can happen! The obvious choices would be the existing Academy clubs, but there would have to be a merger keeping the Andromeda name.

Its also very possible that there will only be 3 Academy Teams next season
Even if Andromeda sticks around and regroups with smaller numbers and new management.

It's my understanding, per the person who presented to USSF, that Andro is playing this year, contingent upon procurement of fields. I don't know what other contingencies there might be, however. The other clubs currently rent various DFW fields for Academy, so, I would imagine it's not that difficult of a task - but, the proving of ongoing financial stability would be a higher hurdle, I'd imagine. There is a financial stability/due-diligence presentation as well for all USSF candidates. If it all comes together for Andro, pre-academy will be offered the following year. Not a huge academy fan, but, I'd hope Andro keeps their spot only to prevent a flood of academy orphans.

I'd imagine several teams will mothball their Andro gear - i.e. our coach is gone, so we are active free agents at the moment, but, there is no way of knowing how many teams at this point. I would imagine that can change on a whim. I just hope there isn't a scenario where a lot of teams are scrambling in late June for clubs - difficult for coaches/players/recruiting/locations....

There were several scenarios (FCD/LP/Texans) where Andro keeps it name, but, to my knowledge, none were acceptable (yet), for a variety of reasons. The most intriguing name mentioned to me was LHGCL taking the ATF - they could use it for games, get rid of Moss (roughly equivalent in terms of field conditions) and rent it out for practices. ATF has a myriad of problems that would require....dare I say...'capital infusion' to get it up to snuff for optimal usage - that can't be a good selling point. Wonder how deep the comparable pockets are for FCD/LP/Texans/LGHCL? Obviously Hunt's could buy it with their tip money, but wouldn't think one wants to be forced into a longterm plan that didn't exist a month ago.

clueless wrote:

TheFarPost wrote:
Anything can happen! The obvious choices would be the existing Academy clubs, but there would have to be a merger keeping the Andromeda name.

Its also very possible that there will only be 3 Academy Teams next season
Even if Andromeda sticks around and regroups with smaller numbers and new management.

It's my understanding, per the person who presented to USSF, that Andro is playing this year, contingent upon procurement of fields. I don't know what other contingencies there might be, however. The other clubs currently rent various DFW fields for Academy, so, I would imagine it's not that difficult of a task - but, the proving of ongoing financial stability would be a higher hurdle, I'd imagine. There is a financial stability/due-diligence presentation as well for all USSF candidates. If it all comes together for Andro, pre-academy will be offered the following year. Not a huge academy fan, but, I'd hope Andro keeps their spot only to prevent a flood of academy orphans.

I'd imagine several teams will mothball their Andro gear - i.e. our coach is gone, so we are active free agents at the moment, but, there is no way of knowing how many teams at this point. I would imagine that can change on a whim. I just hope there isn't a scenario where a lot of teams are scrambling in late June for clubs - difficult for coaches/players/recruiting/locations....

There were several scenarios (FCD/LP/Texans) where Andro keeps it name, but, to my knowledge, none were acceptable (yet), for a variety of reasons. The most intriguing name mentioned to me was LHGCL taking the ATF - they could use it for games, get rid of Moss (roughly equivalent in terms of field conditions) and rent it out for practices. ATF has a myriad of problems that would require....dare I say...'capital infusion' to get it up to snuff for optimal usage - that can't be a good selling point. Wonder how deep the comparable pockets are for FCD/LP/Texans/LGHCL? Obviously Hunt's could buy it with their tip money, but wouldn't think one wants to be forced into a longterm plan that didn't exist a month ago.

So, with JB gone to FCD, and the Andro teams in State Cup, who "coaches" the team(s)and will they try to keep the team(s) together going into next year? What a sucky situation to be in.

I think Josema only has/had an Andro97 team? The 99s&00s were already given to Marcio last year. I'm certain Josema will have taken care of the boys.

futbolnutt wrote:

txsoccerdad wrote:From what I gather,there has been meetings with the property owner and representatives from the FCD organization.
I'm unsure if they are negotiating a deal to purchase or lease the property from the owner but something should come to light by next week.

I have never seen soccer fields look as good as they do today but then again there's not 20 odd teams working the grassy surface down to dirt.

FCD or Texans make sense from a stability/size standpoint and having more of a presence in that part of the metroplex with a high quality facility. My question, if anybody as any idea, where does FCDallas money come from? The MLS team averages less than 5,000 fans. The Academy players are completely paid for; the other teams give out a lot of full and partial scholarships; they are starting a pro womens team, etc etc.

I can't imagine the MLS team brings in positive cash flow and I can't see the youth teams bring in enough money to cover all the deficit spending. What am I missing?

"The MLS team averages less than 5,000 fans."

Where did you ever come up with this? FC Dallas averaged over 10,000 last season and over 12,0000 the season prior. So far this year they have averaged over 14,000. http://mls.theoffside.com/attendance/and-the-results-of-mlss-2010-attendance-stats-are.html
Now I have no idea on if the team turns a profit or not, but you are way wrong on your attendance #.

I too found the 5k number abit hokie

Soccerinsanity wrote:I think Josema only has/had an Andro97 team? The 99s&00s were already given to Marcio last year. I'm certain Josema will have taken care of the boys.

He had a 96 and 97 team.

Ed wrote:

futbolnutt wrote:

txsoccerdad wrote:From what I gather,there has been meetings with the property owner and representatives from the FCD organization.
I'm unsure if they are negotiating a deal to purchase or lease the property from the owner but something should come to light by next week.

I have never seen soccer fields look as good as they do today but then again there's not 20 odd teams working the grassy surface down to dirt.

FCD or Texans make sense from a stability/size standpoint and having more of a presence in that part of the metroplex with a high quality facility. My question, if anybody as any idea, where does FCDallas money come from? The MLS team averages less than 5,000 fans. The Academy players are completely paid for; the other teams give out a lot of full and partial scholarships; they are starting a pro womens team, etc etc.

I can't imagine the MLS team brings in positive cash flow and I can't see the youth teams bring in enough money to cover all the deficit spending. What am I missing?

"The MLS team averages less than 5,000 fans."

Where did you ever come up with this? FC Dallas averaged over 10,000 last season and over 12,0000 the season prior. So far this year they have averaged over 14,000. http://mls.theoffside.com/attendance/and-the-results-of-mlss-2010-attendance-stats-are.html
Now I have no idea on if the team turns a profit or not, but you are way wrong on your attendance #.

Sorry for the "exaggeration". As your source points out, FC Dallas has the 3rd lowest attendance in the league. I may be wrong, but, that's and abysmal figure. Is it possible for FC Dallas to turn a profit filling half their stadium. How many season ticket holders?

http://www.matchfitusa.com/2010/03/fc-dallas-attendance-hunting-for-answer.html

futbolnutt wrote:

Ed wrote:

futbolnutt wrote:

txsoccerdad wrote:From what I gather,there has been meetings with the property owner and representatives from the FCD organization.
I'm unsure if they are negotiating a deal to purchase or lease the property from the owner but something should come to light by next week.

I have never seen soccer fields look as good as they do today but then again there's not 20 odd teams working the grassy surface down to dirt.

FCD or Texans make sense from a stability/size standpoint and having more of a presence in that part of the metroplex with a high quality facility. My question, if anybody as any idea, where does FCDallas money come from? The MLS team averages less than 5,000 fans. The Academy players are completely paid for; the other teams give out a lot of full and partial scholarships; they are starting a pro womens team, etc etc.

I can't imagine the MLS team brings in positive cash flow and I can't see the youth teams bring in enough money to cover all the deficit spending. What am I missing?

"The MLS team averages less than 5,000 fans."

Where did you ever come up with this? FC Dallas averaged over 10,000 last season and over 12,0000 the season prior. So far this year they have averaged over 14,000. http://mls.theoffside.com/attendance/and-the-results-of-mlss-2010-attendance-stats-are.html
Now I have no idea on if the team turns a profit or not, but you are way wrong on your attendance #.

Sorry for the "exaggeration". As your source points out, FC Dallas has the 3rd lowest attendance in the league. I may be wrong, but, that's and abysmal figure. Is it possible for FC Dallas to turn a profit filling half their stadium. How many season ticket holders?

http://www.matchfitusa.com/2010/03/fc-dallas-attendance-hunting-for-answer.html

You must mean to say "had" the 3rd lowest attendance in 2010. It has improved greatly so far in 2011 and Sunday's game is nearly sold out.
http://www.kenn.com/the_blog/?p=4236
The current FO has made some improvements in their marketing and customer service, plus a pretty good team last season helps too. Season ticket sales were "up 300%" this year, but I have no idea what the total was. http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/fc-dallas-season-ticket-sales-300-1391511

Of course you are trying to determine if FCD's pro team is profitable and I can assure you right now it is unlikely that it is, nor is any other MLS team. I think the owners are looking at the team as more of a long term investment and not expecting it to be profitable in the short term. In this light your point is moot.

Ed wrote:

futbolnutt wrote:

Ed wrote:

futbolnutt wrote:

txsoccerdad wrote:From what I gather,there has been meetings with the property owner and representatives from the FCD organization.
I'm unsure if they are negotiating a deal to purchase or lease the property from the owner but something should come to light by next week.

I have never seen soccer fields look as good as they do today but then again there's not 20 odd teams working the grassy surface down to dirt.

FCD or Texans make sense from a stability/size standpoint and having more of a presence in that part of the metroplex with a high quality facility. My question, if anybody as any idea, where does FCDallas money come from? The MLS team averages less than 5,000 fans. The Academy players are completely paid for; the other teams give out a lot of full and partial scholarships; they are starting a pro womens team, etc etc.

I can't imagine the MLS team brings in positive cash flow and I can't see the youth teams bring in enough money to cover all the deficit spending. What am I missing?

"The MLS team averages less than 5,000 fans."

Where did you ever come up with this? FC Dallas averaged over 10,000 last season and over 12,0000 the season prior. So far this year they have averaged over 14,000. http://mls.theoffside.com/attendance/and-the-results-of-mlss-2010-attendance-stats-are.html
Now I have no idea on if the team turns a profit or not, but you are way wrong on your attendance #.

Sorry for the "exaggeration". As your source points out, FC Dallas has the 3rd lowest attendance in the league. I may be wrong, but, that's and abysmal figure. Is it possible for FC Dallas to turn a profit filling half their stadium. How many season ticket holders?

http://www.matchfitusa.com/2010/03/fc-dallas-attendance-hunting-for-answer.html

You must mean to say "had" the 3rd lowest attendance in 2010. It has improved greatly so far in 2011 and Sunday's game is nearly sold out.
http://www.kenn.com/the_blog/?p=4236
The current FO has made some improvements in their marketing and customer service, plus a pretty good team last season helps too. Season ticket sales were "up 300%" this year, but I have no idea what the total was. http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/fc-dallas-season-ticket-sales-300-1391511

Of course you are trying to determine if FCD's pro team is profitable and I can assure you right now it is unlikely that it is, nor is any other MLS team. I think the owners are looking at the team as more of a long term investment and not expecting it to be profitable in the short term. In this light your point is moot.

You are correct. 300% means nothing with out the actual numbers. The LA Galaxy game has little to do with the FC Dallas product. Certainly you would agree it has everything to do with Landon Donovan and David Beckham. Let's check back in July and see what the attendance figures are. Fact is, FC Dallas NEVER has been well supported.

This wasn't my original question anyway. How does FC Dallas pay for everything when they are probably losing money on most things? Deep pockets of the Hunt family.

futbolnutt wrote:

Ed wrote:

futbolnutt wrote:

Ed wrote:

futbolnutt wrote:

txsoccerdad wrote:From what I gather,there has been meetings with the property owner and representatives from the FCD organization.
I'm unsure if they are negotiating a deal to purchase or lease the property from the owner but something should come to light by next week.

I have never seen soccer fields look as good as they do today but then again there's not 20 odd teams working the grassy surface down to dirt.

FCD or Texans make sense from a stability/size standpoint and having more of a presence in that part of the metroplex with a high quality facility. My question, if anybody as any idea, where does FCDallas money come from? The MLS team averages less than 5,000 fans. The Academy players are completely paid for; the other teams give out a lot of full and partial scholarships; they are starting a pro womens team, etc etc.

I can't imagine the MLS team brings in positive cash flow and I can't see the youth teams bring in enough money to cover all the deficit spending. What am I missing?

"The MLS team averages less than 5,000 fans."

Where did you ever come up with this? FC Dallas averaged over 10,000 last season and over 12,0000 the season prior. So far this year they have averaged over 14,000. http://mls.theoffside.com/attendance/and-the-results-of-mlss-2010-attendance-stats-are.html
Now I have no idea on if the team turns a profit or not, but you are way wrong on your attendance #.

Sorry for the "exaggeration". As your source points out, FC Dallas has the 3rd lowest attendance in the league. I may be wrong, but, that's and abysmal figure. Is it possible for FC Dallas to turn a profit filling half their stadium. How many season ticket holders?

http://www.matchfitusa.com/2010/03/fc-dallas-attendance-hunting-for-answer.html

You must mean to say "had" the 3rd lowest attendance in 2010. It has improved greatly so far in 2011 and Sunday's game is nearly sold out.
http://www.kenn.com/the_blog/?p=4236
The current FO has made some improvements in their marketing and customer service, plus a pretty good team last season helps too. Season ticket sales were "up 300%" this year, but I have no idea what the total was. http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/fc-dallas-season-ticket-sales-300-1391511

Of course you are trying to determine if FCD's pro team is profitable and I can assure you right now it is unlikely that it is, nor is any other MLS team. I think the owners are looking at the team as more of a long term investment and not expecting it to be profitable in the short term. In this light your point is moot.

You are correct. 300% means nothing with out the actual numbers. The LA Galaxy game has little to do with the FC Dallas product. Certainly you would agree it has everything to do with Landon Donovan and David Beckham. Let's check back in July and see what the attendance figures are. Fact is, FC Dallas NEVER has been well supported.

This wasn't my original question anyway. How does FC Dallas pay for everything when they are probably losing money on most things? Deep pockets of the Hunt family.

I received a ton of free seat tickets recently - I figured something wasn't going well. I will say I used to receive multiple calls per week about buying tix, now...rarely. The price to value ratio is very much out of whack - 'free' sounds about right to me.

I wonder what became of FCD's pursuit of obtaining the training fields? I heard it all went down over the weekend?