The following letter was sent from Suma Napper:

The Classic League is aware that there was a coaches meeting last Sunday.

The coaches made several proposal which the classic board will review and consider at the board meeting.

But in the mean time, someone has generated this email that is very disturbing and they have included many clubs in the Classic League.

We have spoken with several coaches who were unaware that their teams/clubs were affiliated with this email

Please see the email below sent to another association.


From: Anony mous [mailto:ntxanonymous@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 11:09 PM
Subject: Formation of new Elite League above Plano Premier

Many of the coaches in the classic league are frustrated with the lack of representation they are receiving and how the cards are stacked against them by Solar, Texans and FC Dallas for the most part. With the announcement of the new academy league infiltrating the U13, U14 and U15 age divisions, there is a sincere motivation by many of the clubs, teams and coaches to consider an alternative playing league. Would PYSA consider forming an Elite League above Plano Premier where Premier teams promote and relegate into each other?

Please take in consideration that the expectations from the teams that would come over would be higher than that of the Premier League. Quality of fields, refereeing and management would attract or deter this real possibility. A proposal that has come up would be to hire a full time Executive director to run such an Elite League above the Premier League under the PYSA umbrella as well as having involvement from club directors to assist in the running of the league. Many of the clubs have verbally expressed serious consideration for such a league change and we believe under the right circumstances, this could be a healthy change for the soccer community.

Would PYSA be interested in such a venture or should we seek other possibilities?

View below the quality, competitiveness and diversity of the league which would consist of 5 age groups to start out with.

2001- TBD Top 20

2000- Top 20
BANDITS SC 00B (WRIGHT)
TFC 00B (WELLS)
WIZARDS FC 00B (BURCIAGA)
DALLAS TIGRES ACADEMY 00B ( ORTIZ)
TEXAS TOROS SC 00B (CALVILLO)
ASG FC 00B GOLD NORTH (EKEME)
ANDROMEDA SC 00B WHITE (UREMOVICH)
LIVERPOOL FC 00B KUYT (RAVESTIJN)
ODYSSEY SC 00B (GALLAGHER)
NORTH TEXAS STRIKERS 00B (LOPEZ)
DFW TEJANOS 00B (PARRISH)
FORT WORTH FC 00B (REMMEL)
TFC 00B WHITE (SCHELL)
DEPORTIVO CHIVAS 00B (ZAVALA)
HURST UNITED SA 00B (DANE)
TFC 00B BLUE (GARRETT)
COMETS SC 00B BLUE (BADII)
KERNOW STORM FC 00B (PENNA)
Barcelona 00B
Liverpool 00B Liddell

99-Top 16 (8 teams D1 & 8 in D2)
BARCELONA 99B (GARCIA)
TEXAS TITANS WEST 99B
COMETS SC 99B BLUE (BADII)
TEXAS GUNNERS 99B (MADDOX)
ASG FC 99B GOLD NORTH (NGON)
LIVERPOOL 99B HUNT (RAVESTIJN)
WIZARDS FC 99B (BURCIAGA)
TYLER AZZURRI FC NAPOLI 99B (GIRDLESTONE)
DFW TORNADOS 99B WHITE(MEDINA)
UNITED 99B (SALDANA)
LIVERPOOL 99B (WOOLLARD)
COMETS SC 99B RED (BADII)
NORTH TEXAS STRIKERS 99B (LOPEZ)
DFW TEJANOS 99B (BARROW)
TFC 99 Boys
Manchester SC 99B White

98-Top 18 (9 in D1 & 9 in D2)
DALLAS TIGRES ACADEMY 98B GOLD ( MEDINA )
REAL MADRID 98B (AREVALO)
TFC 98B ROYAL (CASTRO)
KICKS FC 98B (CASTANEDA)
TFC 98B (ANGELL)
DFW TEJANOS 98B PREMIER (MOLANO)
PUMAS ELITE SC 98B (REYNA)
AYSES 98B GOLD (OBARA)
LIVERPOOL 98B BABEL (RAVESTIJIN)
FORT WORTH FC 98B WHITE (VINCENT)
HURST UNITED FC 98B BLACK (ASFOUR)
LIVERPOOL 98B (WOODBERRY)
AYSES 98B BLACK (DAVIS)
TYLER AZZURRI INTERMILAN '98B (JUAREZ)
WACO BLAST FC 98B (COE)
ASG FC 98B GOLD WEST (WILLIAMS)
W.F. MUSTANGS FC 98B (PERALES)
OC UNITED 98B (RENTERIA)

97-Top 15

FORT WORTH FC 97B WHITE ( HUDSON )
IRVING ELITE FC 97B (GONZALEZ)
DALLAS TIGRES ACADEMY 97B GOLD (GARCIA)
ASG FC 97B GOLD WEST (KUNITZ)
DALLAS TIGRES ACADEMY 97B (SANTIBANEZ)
TFC 97B (PUSKARICH)
TFC 97B ROYAL (PELAEZ)
DFW TEJANOS PREMIER 97B (BARROW)
HURST UNITED 97B BLACK (ZIMMERLE)
RAYADOS DE MONTERREY 97B (VELAZQUEZ)
AMARILLO LIGHTNING SC 97B (SPENCER)
CD INDEPENDIENTE 97B (RADILLA)
BARCELONA 97B (LONG)
NORTH TEXAS STRIKERS 97B (ZAVALA)
MCKINNEY UNITED 97B (CRAWFORD)
TFC 97 Boys Blue

Anyone know if this is legit????

Sounds bogus to me.

Sounds bogus....Correct me if I'm wrong but Classic League isn't going anywhere.

Classic League may not be going anywhere, but with Academy League reaching out to younger ages and the large top clubs butting heads and seriously considering pulling out of CL, it may look alot different down the road than you think.

While creative, this doesn't fix anything.

what happens when the 02's, 03's, 04's and so on come out of SDL and a good portion of those teams are FCD, Solar, and Texans? Is the "Elite League" going to deny U11 and U12 access to their league, turn away their money, and talent? Of course not.

Then at U-13 these same clubs look at taking a portion of their teams and players into the Pre Academy program.

So the "Elite League" is then faced with the exact same scenario that Classic League is faced with today.

Rather, let's hope that Classic League takes a serious look at the actual players that are shifted away in those teams and see if the new squad that represents those teams in the Classic league are Quality enough to compete in D1.

Classic should be concerned about having the best Teams playing in D1. Beware of clubs filling a shell team with lower quality players and ruining the competition for the boys that have earned their spots in the top division.

Classic League may not be dead, but it is certainly sick.

I have never seen the fields at Richland so poorly maintained.

The refereeing is getting worse.

The quality of play is extremely poor from top to bottom.

It all started when the academy league yanked the CL players. At that point, CL could do nothing but be considered a 2nd rate league. Now, if there's yet another "high level" league yanking more players, the becoming a 3rd rate league is not out of the question.

Whether or not CL management has their "old" heads buried in the sand, or if they just don't know what to do, isn't the problem. They need to lower the prices. And then, reduce the size of the league to try to consolidate quality play rather than dilute it.

I've got over 10 years CL experience, and the last three years have been shocking.

I have heard from a couple of sources at different clubs that the threat of leaving the Classic League is real if certain conditions aren't met. (ie-not catering to the big clubs and doing whatever they want)

Notice I said the threat is real, not that I know anyone would actually leave but it has been said and people seem genuinely upset and how the classic league deals with the pre-academy situation will be interesting.

Classic League may not be dead, but it is certainly sick. Having 8 teams depart from 2 age groups would hardly constitute turning the league, that some thought was the top in the US, to a "2nd rate" league
I have never seen the fields at Richland so poorly maintained. Agreed. This has been particularly frustrating to those responsible for maintaining it. The non-stop play takes a huge toll.
The refereeing is getting worse. Actually, feed back from the coaches is that it was better this year than years past.
The quality of play is extremely poor from top to bottom. Is quality in D1 down? Sure...that's the DA effect. Extremely poor? Nahh.
It all started when the academy league yanked the CL players. At that point, CL could do nothing but be considered a 2nd rate league. Now, if there's yet another "high level" league yanking more players, the becoming a 3rd rate league is not out of the question. If CL is 2nd rate (or even 3rd), I wonder what you consider PPL or APL? It will certainly have an effect, but devastating? No.
Whether or not CL management has their "old" heads buried in the sand, or if they just don't know what to do, isn't the problem. They need to lower the prices. And then, reduce the size of the league to try to consolidate quality play rather than dilute it. There have been discussions on reducing the number of teams. Just discussions at this point. As for "old" heads, there are quite a few "new" members on the board.I've got over 10 years CL experience, and the last three years have been shocking. You've got 10 years as a screaming parent of a player. "Experience" is overdoing your qualifications a bit.

"You've got 10 years as a screaming parent of a player. "Experience" is overdoing your qualifications a bit."

HappyFeet rips through FlatBack's defense and slams the net! Nice goal! Well done...

I've got 40+ years NFL 'experience' and I can't offer any resolutions to their lock-out.

I have yet to experience a youth soccer year that didn't involve 'the worst officiating ever'. Strange how that happens, until you are out of it and then it suddenly turns into 'not that bad' or 'seen worse'.


I figured the email was from Suma, trying to get the executive director gig.

[quote="yellow-card"]The following letter was sent from Suma Napper:

The Classic League is aware that there was a coaches meeting last Sunday.

The coaches made several proposal which the classic board will review and consider at the board meeting.

But in the mean time, someone has generated this email that is very disturbing and they have included many clubs in the Classic League.

We have spoken with several coaches who were unaware that their teams/clubs were affiliated with this email
Please see the email below sent to another association.



Honestly, do you really think these coaches are going to admit that they are part of this coup, putsch, and overthrow Could it be that maybe some of these coaches are tried of the system

It seems it's not about the players anymore, but about the Clubs themselves. I remember the time when most coaches had their own small club. But times have changed. In Club Soccer, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the players and money,you get power, Then when you get the power, then you get the coaches. (or Soccer Moms )

I just know I have heard that before, oh yes I did:

Tony "Scarface" Montana "In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."

Plus he adds;"You know what capitalism is? Getting funked

So please don't be or sound shocked

Some things to note:

1) Classics league is dominated by top clubs. How can new PYSA "elite" league survive without full participation (TFC and Dallas Tigres do not a league make).

2) No need to call the U14 DA pre-academy. The concept is to start DA with the U14 age group which means that just with U16 DA (in regards to U15 players) you will have many top U13s moving that direction. So effectively DA would start with U13.

3) Regardless of CL bashing, these fields are some the best you'll find. PYSA's aren't and if you think the city of Plano would change this with the creation of an "elite" soccer league...think again.

4) Again regardless of the rantings of madmen the competitiveness and diversity of the current classic league are already in place.

Yak Attack wrote:Some things to note:

1) Classics league is dominated by top clubs. How can new PYSA "elite" league survive without full participation (TFC and Dallas Tigres do not a league make).

2) No need to call the U14 DA pre-academy. The concept is to start DA with the U14 age group which means that just with U16 DA (in regards to U15 players) you will have many top U13s moving that direction. So effectively DA would start with U13.

3) Regardless of CL bashing, these fields are some the best you'll find. PYSA's aren't and if you think the city of Plano would change this with the creation of an "elite" soccer league...think again.

4) Again regardless of the rantings of madmen the competitiveness and diversity of the current classic league are already in place.

Agree with everything except I'd take Russell Creek over Richland...unfortulately.
If the Texans and FCD 'took their ball and went home' and created their own league - it would be a better league than all other clubs/teams combined. Don't have a kid with either, but I know who butters the bread.

clueless wrote:

Yak Attack wrote:Some things to note:

1) Classics league is dominated by top clubs. How can new PYSA "elite" league survive without full participation (TFC and Dallas Tigres do not a league make).

2) No need to call the U14 DA pre-academy. The concept is to start DA with the U14 age group which means that just with U16 DA (in regards to U15 players) you will have many top U13s moving that direction. So effectively DA would start with U13.

3) Regardless of CL bashing, these fields are some the best you'll find. PYSA's aren't and if you think the city of Plano would change this with the creation of an "elite" soccer league...think again.

4) Again regardless of the rantings of madmen the competitiveness and diversity of the current classic league are already in place.

Agree with everything except I'd take Russell Creek over Richland...unfortulately.
If the Texans and FCD 'took their ball and went home' and created their own league - it would be a better league than all other clubs/teams combined. Don't have a kid with either, but I know who butters the bread.

I agree the Richland fields are not as good as they use to be and should be, but Russell Creek fields are a joke.

clueless wrote:

Yak Attack wrote:Some things to note:

1) Classics league is dominated by top clubs. How can new PYSA "elite" league survive without full participation (TFC and Dallas Tigres do not a league make).

2) No need to call the U14 DA pre-academy. The concept is to start DA with the U14 age group which means that just with U16 DA (in regards to U15 players) you will have many top U13s moving that direction. So effectively DA would start with U13.

3) Regardless of CL bashing, these fields are some the best you'll find. PYSA's aren't and if you think the city of Plano would change this with the creation of an "elite" soccer league...think again.

4) Again regardless of the rantings of madmen the competitiveness and diversity of the current classic league are already in place.

Agree with everything except I'd take Russell Creek over Richland...unfortulately.
If the Texans and FCD 'took their ball and went home' and created their own league - it would be a better league than all other clubs/teams combined. Don't have a kid with either, but I know who butters the bread.

Agreed. With sites like this and the way information is shared. How long before people will realize the sacrifice of many, will at the end of the day, only benefit a few. The stark reality is if dallas as a whole produces say,, 10 top knotch players a year that would be considered amazing , pie in the sky $hit!! When I say "top knotch " I mean college bound or entry to MLS. Dallas would be lucky to produce 1-2 world class players every 5 years. That leaves hundreds moving on to other things . What was sacrificed along the way can never be recaptured .. Wonder if the parents 10 years from now will look back and say " Maybe we should have gone camping ,traveling , bike riding , Ect, Ect , a little more . It's a period in our childrens lives that we simply don't get a do over.. It is truly a double edge sword. Pursuing your childs passion and ability while trying to expose them to the diversity of all life has to offer.

Just a comment because I really don't have the frekin answer.

plantit wrote:

clueless wrote:

Yak Attack wrote:Some things to note:

1) Classics league is dominated by top clubs. How can new PYSA "elite" league survive without full participation (TFC and Dallas Tigres do not a league make).

2) No need to call the U14 DA pre-academy. The concept is to start DA with the U14 age group which means that just with U16 DA (in regards to U15 players) you will have many top U13s moving that direction. So effectively DA would start with U13.

3) Regardless of CL bashing, these fields are some the best you'll find. PYSA's aren't and if you think the city of Plano would change this with the creation of an "elite" soccer league...think again.

4) Again regardless of the rantings of madmen the competitiveness and diversity of the current classic league are already in place.

Agree with everything except I'd take Russell Creek over Richland...unfortulately.
If the Texans and FCD 'took their ball and went home' and created their own league - it would be a better league than all other clubs/teams combined. Don't have a kid with either, but I know who butters the bread.

Agreed. With sites like this and the way information is shared. How long before people will realize the sacrifice of many, will at the end of the day, only benefit a few. The stark reality is if dallas as a whole produces say,, 10 top knotch players a year that would be considered amazing , pie in the sky $hit!! When I say "top knotch " I mean college bound or entry to MLS. Dallas would be lucky to produce 1-2 world class players every 5 years. That leaves hundreds moving on to other things . What was sacrificed along the way can never be recaptured .. Wonder if the parents 10 years from now will look back and say " Maybe we should have gone camping ,traveling , bike riding , Ect, Ect , a little more . It's a period in our childrens lives that we simply don't get a do over.. It is truly a double edge sword. Pursuing your childs passion and ability while trying to expose them to the diversity of all life has to offer.

Just a comment because I really don't have the frekin answer.

I know this is taking this thread further off subject, but we think about this more often than not now, but then the "What if?" question creeps in and we stick with it.

Our kids enjoy it and frandkly so do we. Until that changes, youth soccer will continue to be a big part of our lives regardless of the politics with NTX, CL or even USSF.

Coming from someone who sacrificed by:
1. moving to Dallas
2. being a 1 car family
3. spending every penny and then some on soccer

Here is how I see it. We shared a passion with our boys. It could have been anything. Music, motocross, football, etc. For whatever reason, it was soccer. My senior is going to a college with only intramural soccer. We have no regrets. Would we do it again? You betcha.

As far as quality of the Classic League, there are top players all over the metroplex that because of money or transportation issues have missed out on club soccer. If we think out of the box, we can be a lot more inclusive and begin to really sample the talent throughout North Texas. The kids are there. Some tweaking of the club bye can help other clubs to gain entry into the League. I also find it odd that we need to have four clubs involved in Academy. Either North Texas or FC Dallas MLS or both should provide a structure where one team of say 18-22 players is created with reasonable dues and scholarships available like ODP.

mrclean wrote:I also find it odd that we need to have four clubs involved in Academy. Either North Texas or FC Dallas MLS or both should provide a structure where one team of say 18-22 players is created with reasonable dues and scholarships available like ODP.

I couldn't agree with this more! Just how many 'elite' players do we really think we have in each age group here in NTX? Is the number closer to 20 or 80? I think USSF dropped the ball on this one. Sure, they would have really ticked off the big clubs in NTX, but they should have only accepted 1 team from each region, let the truly elite players that want to make their future soccer and have the talent and skill to do so gravitate to that team, and leave the rest, which would be some really good players, to play competitive soccer in a league like CL. A player who may develop into one of those elite level players later in CL could always be picked up by the DA team.

I think DA is a great concept for those elite players. For the bottom half of the DA rosters, not so much. Ultimately, however, it's the parents that have to see this.

Well, are now down to 3 DA clubs? Does anyone know what is happening to Andro's DA teams? Are they going to try and maintain the club and their CL byes.

Seems like the Andromeda DA players can either try out for another DA team, join classic league team or just play high school sports. I would think that the top DI classic league teams may be able to select a few good players off season.

Soccernovice wrote:Seems like the Andromeda DA players can either try out for another DA team, join classic league team or just play high school sports. I would think that the top DI classic league teams may be able to select a few good players off season.

Why in the world do you think Andro is done with DA. Are you guys aware of something the rest of of aren't??

Yak Attack wrote:

Soccernovice wrote:Seems like the Andromeda DA players can either try out for another DA team, join classic league team or just play high school sports. I would think that the top DI classic league teams may be able to select a few good players off season.

Why in the world do you think Andro is done with DA. Are you guys aware of something the rest of of aren't??

Are they planning to pay coaches next year?

Will USSF allow them to stay in the developmental academy if they have 2 coaches and 5 teams?

Yak Attack. I do not know for sure if they went bankrupt at facility guess they could still practice in neighborhood parks like we did that as a team many years. If they were to loose alot of teams could they cover DA operational costs? I have no idea sounded like there were overhead expenses beyond what parents had to pay. I do not have insight on those matters. Maybe they are OK for next year?

FSFFL wrote:

mrclean wrote:I also find it odd that we need to have four clubs involved in Academy. Either North Texas or FC Dallas MLS or both should provide a structure where one team of say 18-22 players is created with reasonable dues and scholarships available like ODP.

I couldn't agree with this more! Just how many 'elite' players do we really think we have in each age group here in NTX? Is the number closer to 20 or 80? I think USSF dropped the ball on this one. Sure, they would have really ticked off the big clubs in NTX, but they should have only accepted 1 team from each region, let the truly elite players that want to make their future soccer and have the talent and skill to do so gravitate to that team, and leave the rest, which would be some really good players, to play competitive soccer in a league like CL. A player who may develop into one of those elite level players later in CL could always be picked up by the DA team.

I think DA is a great concept for those elite players. For the bottom half of the DA rosters, not so much. Ultimately, however, it's the parents that have to see this.

I hold a bit on the "elite player" talk. There's only 2 or 3 of them on each of the DA teams themselves. Although there are several that don't play DA, most of them play other sports as well or have other reasons not to participate in DA.

ImInter wrote:Texas Pre-Academy League formed as newest addition to US Club Soccer’s National Premier Leagues


Eight clubs from the U.S. Soccer Developmental Academy will be participating in the Texas Pre-Academy League:

Classics Elite (San Antonio)
Dallas Texans (Dallas)
FC Dallas (Dallas)
Houston Dynamo (Houston)
Lonestar SC (Austin)
Solar (Dallas)
Texas Rush (Houston)
Texans SC (Houston)

Pulled from the Solar website. Says nothing about Andro. ??

Right, Andro's not in.

In reality the only way for the non DA clubs to survive is to band together and form their own league with or without CL. CL has been pandering to the large clubs (no choice?) and they have only gotten bigger and now completely control NTX soccer. The non DA clubs need to seperate from the DA teams as soon as possible and offer a soccer option to DA in order to be relevant. Forming their own top league is a necessary good start. They must do it at U10 and not let the DA clubs into the league. Develop their own players and teams. Otherwise we will soon have only 3-4 clubs in NTX. Let the 2nd and 3rd and 4th teams from DA clubs play in the classic league or their own league, who cares. (Txns w can play txn e and txn s and txn nw.)

I think many people are underestimating the organizational skills necessary to pull off a league that would be competitive with Classic. In my dealings with both PYSA and Classic (as coach, manager, and parent for different teams), I have found Classic to be significantly more professional - registration, tournaments, promotion/relegation, etc. And I don't believe that one person, an "executive director," can completely change an organizational culture. Classic has been doing this ever since I can remember - I started playing soccer in Dallas 37 years ago.

And I hate to poke the smaller clubs, since both my boys play for small clubs, but those clubs almost by definition could not bring the appropriate level of organizational skills to a new league.

I do agree that the large clubs have too much influence (Classic league byes, etc). That influence was built before DA came into the picutre and before DA started stepping down in age. Classic needs to re-address its replationship with the big four in light of the fact that those clubs have voluntarily moved four (for now) top notch teams away from Classic. Smaller divisions - less dilution of talent and less stress on fields? More flexible bye rules - current system is ridiculous? Integration with DA - winning team goes to DA regardless of club affiliation? Interleague play for top teams?

I don't have the answers, but I know that startng another league from scratch will be a step backward, not a step forward.

soccerdad9903 wrote:I think many people are underestimating the organizational skills necessary to pull off a league that would be competitive with Classic. In my dealings with both PYSA and Classic (as coach, manager, and parent for different teams), I have found Classic to be significantly more professional - registration, tournaments, promotion/relegation, etc. And I don't believe that one person, an "executive director," can completely change an organizational culture. Classic has been doing this ever since I can remember - I started playing soccer in Dallas 37 years ago.

And I hate to poke the smaller clubs, since both my boys play for small clubs, but those clubs almost by definition could not bring the appropriate level of organizational skills to a new league.

I do agree that the large clubs have too much influence (Classic league byes, etc). That influence was built before DA came into the picutre and before DA started stepping down in age. Classic needs to re-address its replationship with the big four in light of the fact that those clubs have voluntarily moved four (for now) top notch teams away from Classic. Smaller divisions - less dilution of talent and less stress on fields? More flexible bye rules - current system is ridiculous? Integration with DA - winning team goes to DA regardless of club affiliation? Interleague play for top teams?

I don't have the answers, but I know that startng another league from scratch will be a step backward, not a step forward.

DA bylaws state you must be able to field a u16 and u18 team. That pretty much excludes all small clubs as they won't generally have two teams of that caliber. I can see no reason for the rule and cant see the big clubs allowing it to change. Little guys will not be allowed to play with the big boys.

my2cents wrote:

soccerdad9903 wrote:I think many people are underestimating the organizational skills necessary to pull off a league that would be competitive with Classic. In my dealings with both PYSA and Classic (as coach, manager, and parent for different teams), I have found Classic to be significantly more professional - registration, tournaments, promotion/relegation, etc. And I don't believe that one person, an "executive director," can completely change an organizational culture. Classic has been doing this ever since I can remember - I started playing soccer in Dallas 37 years ago.

And I hate to poke the smaller clubs, since both my boys play for small clubs, but those clubs almost by definition could not bring the appropriate level of organizational skills to a new league.

I do agree that the large clubs have too much influence (Classic league byes, etc). That influence was built before DA came into the picutre and before DA started stepping down in age. Classic needs to re-address its replationship with the big four in light of the fact that those clubs have voluntarily moved four (for now) top notch teams away from Classic. Smaller divisions - less dilution of talent and less stress on fields? More flexible bye rules - current system is ridiculous? Integration with DA - winning team goes to DA regardless of club affiliation? Interleague play for top teams?

I don't have the answers, but I know that startng another league from scratch will be a step backward, not a step forward.

Isn't the purpose of DA to get away from the "win" mentality and just worry about player development? If you tie winning the classic league to entrance into DA, it will defeat the purpose of DA.