I have read (on the board) and heard that numerous CL level 99 teams are still looking to tie out their roster for the fall season.
Thoughts on the affects to CL and NTX soccer in general?
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Affect Of Pre-Academy On 99 Soccer Teams
SoccerXXX- Posts: 272
Join date: 2010-04-02
ontherightside- Posts: 247
Join date: 2009-06-24
Basically we added four new teams with rosters of at least 18 with the Pre-Academy, and we increased CL rosters to 18 so there were lots of spots to fill this year. Not sure if this answers your question.
CLUB31
CLUB31- Posts: 452
Join date: 2009-07-21
All it means is some(15-20) of the better 99 players born in 98 are gone from cl division 1. It just opens it up a bit and some players will step into those spots. I'm more interested in who got better and who got worse with all the movement. Example: I'm sure Barcelona have basically the same bunch and a team like solar red could be hurt the most.
omega striker- Posts: 2076
Join date: 2009-07-02
I think just a few of the better players went to PA but more like the big clubs try to "sell" PA being the "elite" league lets see what those parents think once a PA team plays a NTX D1 team in a tournament and gets beat then i'm sure somebody like Godzilla,what? or ratfink will have alot to sayCLUB31 wrote:All it means is some(15-20) of the better 99 players born in 98 are gone from cl division 1. It just opens it up a bit and some players will step into those spots. I'm more interested in who got better and who got worse with all the movement. Example: I'm sure Barcelona have basically the same bunch and a team like solar red could be hurt the most.
Solar Red lost ALL of its starters so yes they will struggle this season but Barcelona stayed the same but added a full roster,FCD premier stayed the same but added some much better players,Texans have an Andro red/Texans mix and will be one of the top teams,FCD Navy will be strong,Titans cut loose a few and added some real talent so they should be fighting to be on top,FCD Central added some solar blue players including the goalie I hear so they will be tough,DTR picked up 1 or 2 from Comets that could make them tough,DTS will be the same,and Comets got some new talent? I think it is all up in the air on who will be on top! now D2 is shell shocked and will be nowhere as competitive as before or even D3 this season! 
ontherightside- Posts: 247
Join date: 2009-06-24
DTS picked up at least two exceptional players - they will be stout.
WRG- Posts: 215
Join date: 2010-10-21
SoccerXXX wrote:I have read (on the board) and heard that numerous CL level 99 teams are still looking to tie out their roster for the fall season.
Thoughts on the affects to CL and NTX soccer in general?
I thought PA was supposed to be the elite players forming a new league where the best players would compete against each other. This would probably mean the talent level of D1-D3 is now dilluted as the better players left the Classic league rosters.
TxHunter- Posts: 176
Join date: 2009-06-22
Yes and no - it is also quite expensive when you factor in all of the travel where many parents cannot or will not spend this type of money. It was not just the 99's that joined the 98 Pre Academy - a fair number of 98's are also on these teams. If the dollar amounts for travel expenses I am being told are true, some people might be in for sticker shock next year.
omega striker- Posts: 2076
Join date: 2009-07-02
cool i didn't hear that one? who did they pick up? nowhere near the talent they lost last season though, but yea they will still be very good.ontherightside wrote:DTS picked up at least two exceptional players - they will be stout.
WRG- Posts: 215
Join date: 2010-10-21
TxHunter wrote:Yes and no - it is also quite expensive when you factor in all of the travel where many parents cannot or will not spend this type of money. It was not just the 99's that joined the 98 Pre Academy - a fair number of 98's are also on these teams. If the dollar amounts for travel expenses I am being told are true, some people might be in for sticker shock next year.
That is a good point. Nothing like adding another grand on to the club fees. Will be interesting to see how the PA works over the next few years and if the better players will go there or stay with their club teams.
ontherightside- Posts: 247
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FC Dallas PA is FREE except for travel so factor that in for the naysayers!!
Also, OS, we will just have to agree to disagree on the talent that joined DTS, and I say that even knowing whom they lost which I agree were very, very talented players!
Also, OS, we will just have to agree to disagree on the talent that joined DTS, and I say that even knowing whom they lost which I agree were very, very talented players!
omega striker- Posts: 2076
Join date: 2009-07-02
ok no hard feeleings I'm sure their good players though not bashing them at all but I was told that ONLY FCD academy is free not the PA? but what difference does it make and for the poster that asked,as far as FCD goes everybody and anybody that came outside of FCD especially if they walked up with an Andromeda jersey got put on FCD PA didn't even have to try hard to make the team,wow thats some coach pull right there! and that was in every age group!ontherightside wrote:FC Dallas PA is FREE except for travel so factor that in for the naysayers!!
Also, OS, we will just have to agree to disagree on the talent that joined DTS, and I say that even knowing whom they lost which I agree were very, very talented players!
soccergrinder- Posts: 188
Join date: 2010-04-10
TxHunter wrote:Yes and no - it is also quite expensive when you factor in all of the travel where many parents cannot or will not spend this type of money. It was not just the 99's that joined the 98 Pre Academy - a fair number of 98's are also on these teams. If the dollar amounts for travel expenses I am being told are true, some people might be in for sticker shock next year.
As far as travel goes, the top 4 teams in CL would be in Premier League. Those teams travel to Houston, Austin and Oklahoma to play those games. The PA teams will play a similar schedule except they don't have to travel to Tulsa. So the expense is a wash. PA is not appreciably more expensive than top teams in Premier League.
soccergrinder- Posts: 188
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omega striker wrote:I think just a few of the better players went to PA but more like the big clubs try to "sell" PA being the "elite" league lets see what those parents think once a PA team plays a NTX D1 team in a tournament and gets beat then i'm sure somebody like Godzilla,what? or ratfink will have alot to say
Whether you like it or not North Texas soccer has been changed drastically with the USSF Academy and now the USCS Pre-Academy. The USSF Academy has been around for a few years now and have drained the majority of the top players from CL. They are not going away. Now we will see the same thing happen with the USCS Pre-Academy. CL will become basically a D2 league. It has already happened with the older age groups and ODP is now on its last legs and the top players to do not play in it. Not all of the top talent will go, just 80% to 90% or so. It won't happen over night. But it will happen. So this year there won't be as much of a shift as it will be in a couple of years.
As far as you comment "once a PA team plays a NTX D1 team in a tournament and gets beat", this will never truly happen. When and if a PA team plays a NTX D1 team the PA team will have to play up a year because they will be age pure. So if the NTX D1 team wins then it is not that much of a surprise since they will be an older team. This has been endlessly debated with the older age groups. Best just to not think of these games as having any true meaning.
plantit- Posts: 687
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omega striker wrote:ok no hard feeleings I'm sure their good players though not bashing them at all but I was told that ONLY FCD academy is free not the PA? but what difference does it make and for the poster that asked,as far as FCD goes everybody and anybody that came outside of FCD especially if they walked up with an Andromeda jersey got put on FCD PA didn't even have to try hard to make the team,wow thats some coach pull right there! and that was in every age group!ontherightside wrote:FC Dallas PA is FREE except for travel so factor that in for the naysayers!!
Also, OS, we will just have to agree to disagree on the talent that joined DTS, and I say that even knowing whom they lost which I agree were very, very talented players!
Jew gotit mon .. It was transparent recruting .. Guees we all need to go pay the money to another club. Come back in a year or so and lace up the boots put the shin guards in . and your in!!
Makes one wonder about the developement we're paying for if they like all the kids that have come from other systems..
omega striker- Posts: 2076
Join date: 2009-07-02
maybe so.....soccergrinder wrote:omega striker wrote:I think just a few of the better players went to PA but more like the big clubs try to "sell" PA being the "elite" league lets see what those parents think once a PA team plays a NTX D1 team in a tournament and gets beat then i'm sure somebody like Godzilla,what? or ratfink will have alot to say
Whether you like it or not North Texas soccer has been changed drastically with the USSF Academy and now the USCS Pre-Academy. The USSF Academy has been around for a few years now and have drained the majority of the top players from CL. They are not going away. Now we will see the same thing happen with the USCS Pre-Academy. CL will become basically a D2 league. It has already happened with the older age groups and ODP is now on its last legs and the top players to do not play in it. Not all of the top talent will go, just 80% to 90% or so. It won't happen over night. But it will happen. So this year there won't be as much of a shift as it will be in a couple of years.
As far as you comment "once a PA team plays a NTX D1 team in a tournament and gets beat", this will never truly happen. When and if a PA team plays a NTX D1 team the PA team will have to play up a year because they will be age pure. So if the NTX D1 team wins then it is not that much of a surprise since they will be an older team. This has been endlessly debated with the older age groups. Best just to not think of these games as having any true meaning.
go99- Posts: 2016
Join date: 2009-07-09
Location: Standing next to Klinsmann wispering in his ear.
But the upside if that the FCD should have some very good CL teams. They kept most of the kids and backfilled PA with kids from outside the club. But you are correct, apparently the way to get developed at FCD is to play somewhere else
go99- Posts: 2016
Join date: 2009-07-09
Location: Standing next to Klinsmann wispering in his ear.
oh and what's up with the email blast for the andro pre academy team?
OnTheSurface- Posts: 171
Join date: 2009-08-14
I have heard from several folks joining Pre-Academy who I genuinely think have no clue of what they are getting themselves into. Money wise, commmittment-wise and time-wise. I think a lot of people have been told what they wanted to hear .. or perhaps they only heard what they wanted to hear.
Also, I don't think I agree with the assessment that CL will become a D2 league. I have heard from several folks who were approached or who considered joining 96 or 97 PA teams and said no. They were certainly good enough. They just didn't want to. Didn't want to spend the $ on travel and/or wanted to play HS soccer.
And I see no evidence that these PA teams are going to do anything much different than they would if they were a CL D1 team. Same coaches, same kids (more or less). How will this be substantially different from the Premiere League? What will make these teams ascend much higher than the non-anointed ones?
It appears that older boys CL teams have remained highly competitive and successful despite the DA teams allegedly "diluting" the population.
No hating on any PA or DA people. If you and your BB have the time, money, and level of commitment to carry on with that, then I think it's great and I hope you achieve your goals.
It will be very interesting to see how this all plays out.
Also, I don't think I agree with the assessment that CL will become a D2 league. I have heard from several folks who were approached or who considered joining 96 or 97 PA teams and said no. They were certainly good enough. They just didn't want to. Didn't want to spend the $ on travel and/or wanted to play HS soccer.
And I see no evidence that these PA teams are going to do anything much different than they would if they were a CL D1 team. Same coaches, same kids (more or less). How will this be substantially different from the Premiere League? What will make these teams ascend much higher than the non-anointed ones?
It appears that older boys CL teams have remained highly competitive and successful despite the DA teams allegedly "diluting" the population.
No hating on any PA or DA people. If you and your BB have the time, money, and level of commitment to carry on with that, then I think it's great and I hope you achieve your goals.
It will be very interesting to see how this all plays out.
The German- Posts: 815
Join date: 2009-06-21
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Not really true. I know two of the top Andro players that didn't make it because they were not "big" enough. That much about development.omega striker wrote:ok no hard feeleings I'm sure their good players though not bashing them at all but I was told that ONLY FCD academy is free not the PA? but what difference does it make and for the poster that asked,as far as FCD goes everybody and anybody that came outside of FCD especially if they walked up with an Andromeda jersey got put on FCD PA didn't even have to try hard to make the team,wow thats some coach pull right there! and that was in every age group!ontherightside wrote:FC Dallas PA is FREE except for travel so factor that in for the naysayers!!
Also, OS, we will just have to agree to disagree on the talent that joined DTS, and I say that even knowing whom they lost which I agree were very, very talented players!
my2cents- Posts: 816
Join date: 2009-07-01
soccergrinder wrote:omega striker wrote:I think just a few of the better players went to PA but more like the big clubs try to "sell" PA being the "elite" league lets see what those parents think once a PA team plays a NTX D1 team in a tournament and gets beat then i'm sure somebody like Godzilla,what? or ratfink will have alot to say
Whether you like it or not North Texas soccer has been changed drastically with the USSF Academy and now the USCS Pre-Academy. The USSF Academy has been around for a few years now and have drained the majority of the top players from CL. They are not going away. Now we will see the same thing happen with the USCS Pre-Academy. CL will become basically a D2 league. It has already happened with the older age groups and ODP is now on its last legs and the top players to do not play in it. Not all of the top talent will go, just 80% to 90% or so. It won't happen over night. But it will happen. So this year there won't be as much of a shift as it will be in a couple of years.
As far as you comment "once a PA team plays a NTX D1 team in a tournament and gets beat", this will never truly happen. When and if a PA team plays a NTX D1 team the PA team will have to play up a year because they will be age pure. So if the NTX D1 team wins then it is not that much of a surprise since they will be an older team. This has been endlessly debated with the older age groups. Best just to not think of these games as having any true meaning.
Not true. The median birthday for an NTX age group is January. The median birth date for PA or DA is June. They will be "playing up" 5 monthes on average.
omega striker- Posts: 2076
Join date: 2009-07-02
nah I also disagree with your first part academy and pre-academy are two very different animals like most people know and coaches will tell you by the time the boys are 14-15 they already know whos got the true talent for either scholarships or to maybe have a shot at going pro! and yes when a 98,97,96 pre academy plays in a tournamnet with D1 teams their "birth year" the younger ages will be "playing up" but hey their suppose to be the "elite" player so it shouldn't be a problem right? or are you already making excuses for them?soccergrinder wrote:omega striker wrote:I think just a few of the better players went to PA but more like the big clubs try to "sell" PA being the "elite" league lets see what those parents think once a PA team plays a NTX D1 team in a tournament and gets beat then i'm sure somebody like Godzilla,what? or ratfink will have alot to say
Whether you like it or not North Texas soccer has been changed drastically with the USSF Academy and now the USCS Pre-Academy. The USSF Academy has been around for a few years now and have drained the majority of the top players from CL. They are not going away. Now we will see the same thing happen with the USCS Pre-Academy. CL will become basically a D2 league. It has already happened with the older age groups and ODP is now on its last legs and the top players to do not play in it. Not all of the top talent will go, just 80% to 90% or so. It won't happen over night. But it will happen. So this year there won't be as much of a shift as it will be in a couple of years.
As far as you comment "once a PA team plays a NTX D1 team in a tournament and gets beat", this will never truly happen. When and if a PA team plays a NTX D1 team the PA team will have to play up a year because they will be age pure. So if the NTX D1 team wins then it is not that much of a surprise since they will be an older team. This has been endlessly debated with the older age groups. Best just to not think of these games as having any true meaning.
go99- Posts: 2016
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The German wrote:Not really true. I know two of the top Andro players that didn't make it because they were not "big" enough. That much about development.omega striker wrote:ok no hard feeleings I'm sure their good players though not bashing them at all but I was told that ONLY FCD academy is free not the PA? but what difference does it make and for the poster that asked,as far as FCD goes everybody and anybody that came outside of FCD especially if they walked up with an Andromeda jersey got put on FCD PA didn't even have to try hard to make the team,wow thats some coach pull right there! and that was in every age group!ontherightside wrote:FC Dallas PA is FREE except for travel so factor that in for the naysayers!!
Also, OS, we will just have to agree to disagree on the talent that joined DTS, and I say that even knowing whom they lost which I agree were very, very talented players!
What? What age group? I didn't know any of the andro kids who didn't get on. They should take it up with Josema. They didn't get the andro bump. Unless they are 97 and then indies may have taken their spots