TFC 02 BOYS wrote:Its seems everyone is getting stronger over the summer. I know for a fact FC Dallas Premiere will be a completely different team from last year. THEY WILL BE VERY STRONG! It will be an all spanish team.

That's pretty far-reaching recruiting, but they did win the world cup last year so maybe that's the real reason for FCD to send their dev academy teams to Spain during spring break. They were recruiting for FC Dallas Premier 02 Boys

What even is a Latin forward? Is that a kid from Jesuit who can chant the pater noster? Is there a list of the best Swahili forwards? Or native English speaking forwards? [/quote]

Now thats funny!

On the other hand, the two 03 boys can play and, like you said, only made the team stronger. They are exceptional players with an immense amount of talent. Hope they play up more, as it helps them as well as the team.

This will clear up some confusion:

Last seasons FCD red and FCD blue changed coaching.
The stronger FCD team now has Coach Goncalvez and the FCD weaker team (blue? )
has a new coach....so coach G has been handed a talented bunch of kids.

I usually resist responding to provocative and speculative posts but will provide a bit of insight on AYSES 02B Gold since we were spanked but still managed to win the tournament.

* Feel free to rank us where ever it makes you feel good. Classic League U11 D1 is 20 teams. Teams that are shooting for a U12 Top 10 D1 status have 2 years to achieve their goal. Its a marathon not a sprint.

* Spring SDL was a transitional season for AYSES 02B in style of play, coaches, roster adds and subtracts.

* AYSES tournament referred to by TFC 02 Boys: Parent coached the team for the tournament, partial Gold team roster. TFC Larry has very much improved and I don't want to take that away from them. I know parent/player on the team and was impressed with their progress. However, AYSES did take the tournament championship in a stunning comeback over TFC. To the original TFC 02 Boys poster, I'm not sure what you are hoping to achieve with all of your rhetoric but I don't think your are doing any favors for your club or team(s) based on your recent posts across the age groups.

* TUT tournament: Odyssey played very well. They are fast and aggressive. AYSES parent coached the tournament, roster varied from game-to-game, some players were on vacation, some were available for SAT and others only for SUN games (1-sub). TUT was the team's first time to ever practice or play in 11v11 format. We no doubt have some 11v11 areas to work on.

* New AYSES coach on-board that is a great match for a development focused team. If there were a lottery for coaches, we just hit the jackpot. New impact players have been added to the roster over the last few weeks. We are always looking for quality players and develop-minded parents. Come check us out and see if it is a fit.

Side Note: If past patterns are an indicator, composition of players/teams heading into the Fall and Spring season will range from - little change, to very different, to non-existent at this time next year when the 02B's solidify their teams for QT. This is the year to get a lay of the land, check out other clubs/coaches/teams, build relationships and network outside your current team and club. Expect the unexpected, and do not wait until next summer before considering your back-up plan.

futbolista wrote:

Number13 wrote:

futboler wrote:

Number13 wrote:thats a lot of odyssey talk.

they seem to have a decent team. they have one really strong player. parental bias says (as in "moral victory" loss to DTS) they can field a slightly stronger team when they incorporate some of their 03s, which SDL allows but all the NTSSA events/leagues have not.

two 03 players played with 02s in two tournaments a few months ago. needed extra subs

Oh ok, I hope the 03s didn't hurt their competitiveness.

TFC 02 Boys wrote:
They picked up one of the best 02 latin forwards in the age group

What even is a Latin forward? Is that a kid from Jesuit who can chant the pater noster? Is there a list of the best Swahili forwards? Or native English speaking forwards?

Sorry but I couldn't help but laugh.

Whaaaahhh, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaa!!!! "Swahili forwards"!!!! You guys crack me up!

Its going to be a interesting year for the top 20 teams in the 02 boys age group. I look forward to the challenge!

Good luck to everyone.

futboler wrote:What even is a Latin forward? Is that a kid from Jesuit who can chant the pater noster? Is there a list of the best Swahili forwards? Or native English speaking forwards?

Now thats funny!

On the other hand, the two 03 boys can play and, like you said, only made the team stronger. They are exceptional players with an immense amount of talent. Hope they play up more, as it helps them as well as the team. [/quote]



This year will be it. Can play up in select but can't play up into select

my2cents wrote:

futboler wrote:What even is a Latin forward? Is that a kid from Jesuit who can chant the pater noster? Is there a list of the best Swahili forwards? Or native English speaking forwards?

Now thats funny!

On the other hand, the two 03 boys can play and, like you said, only made the team stronger. They are exceptional players with an immense amount of talent. Hope they play up more, as it helps them as well as the team.

So is it right that once you get into select, U11, you can go ahead and play up into U12 if you want? So the U11 year is really the only year teams have to be age pure? A

Is that right?


This year will be it. Can play up in select but can't play up into select[/quote]

futboler wrote:

Sergi Rebrov wrote:I think Liverpool Gerrard has to be in top 10.

Here are the SDL 1 spring stats based on win percentage

Rankings Winning Percentage SoS (2xOWP/3 + OOWP/3):
21 pts - DT South Adames 1.000 .4398
18 pts - DT Scott City (+12) .8571 .3805
18 pts - Solar Stricker White (+3 reported) .8571 .4444
14 pts - Liverpool Fagen (+10) .5714 .3867
14 pts - FCD Goncalves Blue (+5) .5714 .4532
13 pts - Solar Renner Dynamo M .6667 .3926
12 pts - Solar Renner Maroon (+6) .5714 .4476
12 pts - Liverpool Souter (+2) .5714 .4164
11 pts - FCD Snell Predator .4286 .4833
10 pts - FCD Snell Premier M .4286 .4393
9 pts - DT Scott United .4286 .4384
8 pts - Solar Renner Dynamo K .3333 .4282
7 pts - FCD Snell Premier .2857 .5155
6 pts - AYSES Gold Loftin .2857 .4274
4 pts - TFC Larry .1429 .4866
0 pts - FCD Depew (-10) .0000 .5123
0 pts - TFC Haylock (-19) .0000 .5060
0 pts - FCD Goncalves Red (-25) .0000 .4739

Liverpool Gerrard is Liverpool Souter.

Obviously well ranked on the stats.
Since then they have played 2 tournaments. In both tournaments they reached the championship game with ease. Losing both championship games to Liverpool Fagen (top 3) and FC Dallas Gonvcalves (will challenge the top 3 this fall)

Also in my opinion Odyssea is ranked too high. A team who is untested in SDL 1. Yes they only lost to Renner 1-0 in King Tut but I watched that game. Any other day it would have been 6-0 to Solar, they had one of those USWNT days where it just would not go in. Odyssea just played kick ball the whole time.
I'm not saying they are not a good team I'm just saying it's a bit premature to rank them so highly before we have seen them play the top teams weekly in SDL.

I know Odyssey is a good team. They beat Ayses gold, TFC Larry, and had dts 1 to 1 at halftime recently. Maybe they had a bad game against solar renner but they were winning 1 to 0 before solar equalized right before halftime. I watched the game also and they just didn't have a good second half and got scored on in the last 3 minutes of the game which was a controversial goal. Solar renner also had a bunch of crushers players to make a super solar team that tournament. We will see, but i think odyssey is a top ten team. They beat boca juniors in cal last year also. Just my opinion but i think tgre just about got it right Going to be a fun year

Slight correction, that 1-1 tie at halftime against DTS in last weekend’s Puma Cup is incorrect. The final score of that game was 3-0 DTS. In my opinion, Odyssey was the second best team in that tournament, but due to a second game tie 0-0 and the loss to DTS in their third game, Odyssey only had 3 goals for the entire tournament, which knocked them out of playing for the finals, as Boca had a better record. Additionally, these were not true 11 v 11 fields (like the 01's played on), so the field of play was really crowded.

WRG wrote:[left]
Good to get some 02 talk going. TFC Larry should probably be in there but the ranking was based partially on SDL results and it looks like they had a hard time in SDL last Spring. However, they are a good team and challenge each game.

Some additional thoughts:


I think there could be shake up in the top 5 this year. I know Crushers White got some really good players over the summer, ( I think from Ayses and Odyssey and a few other teams) and I expect them to challenge DTS for the top spot and things will even out a bit.

Dynamo has a good team of really big kids and will always challenge for the top 5.

Ayses Gold seems to have fallen off but saw them in the King Tut and although they did'nt finish high, it seems they have some really good players and should make a comeback.

Have not seen DT Scott play but based on SDL results, I think they have to be in top 4. It looks like they only lost one game in SDL 1 last Spring.

Odyssey was a D2 SDL team but they recently beat Ayses in the King Tut and finished second. They have a few really exciting players and will see what they can do this Fall in SDL 1.

FCD Goncalves could also sneek up and challenge DTS for the top spot as they have looked reallyt strong lately. ALthough they lost to DTS in the finals of a PRimetime tournament lately, the game was closer than the score let on, and Goncalves has some nice players.

Overall, I expect the top 10 to 15 to come together a little closer. Just my .2cents, probably worth less.

Not sure if you watched the entire game, but the final was 6-0 DTS (or more) and at no point was the game close. Both teams missed capitalizing on close opportunities, but this tournament was 9v9 on small fields and Goncalves had two Solar Dynamo boys on the team, unless these boys are now permanent additions?

accidentalelbow wrote:

WRG wrote:[left]
Good to get some 02 talk going. TFC Larry should probably be in there but the ranking was based partially on SDL results and it looks like they had a hard time in SDL last Spring. However, they are a good team and challenge each game.

Some additional thoughts:


I think there could be shake up in the top 5 this year. I know Crushers White got some really good players over the summer, ( I think from Ayses and Odyssey and a few other teams) and I expect them to challenge DTS for the top spot and things will even out a bit.

Dynamo has a good team of really big kids and will always challenge for the top 5.


Ayses Gold seems to have fallen off but saw them in the King Tut and although they did'nt finish high, it seems they have some really good players and should make a comeback.

Have not seen DT Scott play but based on SDL results, I think they have to be in top 4. It looks like they only lost one game in SDL 1 last Spring.

Odyssey was a D2 SDL team but they recently beat Ayses in the King Tut and finished second. They have a few really exciting players and will see what they can do this Fall in SDL 1.

FCD Goncalves could also sneek up and challenge DTS for the top spot as they have looked reallyt strong lately. ALthough they lost to DTS in the finals of a PRimetime tournament lately, the game was closer than the score let on, and Goncalves has some nice players.

Overall, I expect the top 10 to 15 to come together a little closer. Just my .2cents, probably worth less.

Not sure if you watched the entire game, but the final was 6-0 DTS and at no point was the game close. Both teams missed capitalizing on close opportunities, but this tournament was 9v9 on small fields and Goncalves had two Solar Dynamo boys on the team, unless these boys are now permanent additions?

If your referring to the primetime tournament I read here on another thread that was the first time they played together as a team.

accidentalelbow wrote:

futboler wrote:

Sergi Rebrov wrote:I think Liverpool Gerrard has to be in top 10.

Here are the SDL 1 spring stats based on win percentage

Rankings Winning Percentage SoS (2xOWP/3 + OOWP/3):
21 pts - DT South Adames 1.000 .4398
18 pts - DT Scott City (+12) .8571 .3805
18 pts - Solar Stricker White (+3 reported) .8571 .4444
14 pts - Liverpool Fagen (+10) .5714 .3867
14 pts - FCD Goncalves Blue (+5) .5714 .4532
13 pts - Solar Renner Dynamo M .6667 .3926
12 pts - Solar Renner Maroon (+6) .5714 .4476
12 pts - Liverpool Souter (+2) .5714 .4164
11 pts - FCD Snell Predator .4286 .4833
10 pts - FCD Snell Premier M .4286 .4393
9 pts - DT Scott United .4286 .4384
8 pts - Solar Renner Dynamo K .3333 .4282
7 pts - FCD Snell Premier .2857 .5155
6 pts - AYSES Gold Loftin .2857 .4274
4 pts - TFC Larry .1429 .4866
0 pts - FCD Depew (-10) .0000 .5123
0 pts - TFC Haylock (-19) .0000 .5060
0 pts - FCD Goncalves Red (-25) .0000 .4739

Liverpool Gerrard is Liverpool Souter.

Obviously well ranked on the stats.
Since then they have played 2 tournaments. In both tournaments they reached the championship game with ease. Losing both championship games to Liverpool Fagen (top 3) and FC Dallas Gonvcalves (will challenge the top 3 this fall)

Also in my opinion Odyssea is ranked too high. A team who is untested in SDL 1. Yes they only lost to Renner 1-0 in King Tut but I watched that game. Any other day it would have been 6-0 to Solar, they had one of those USWNT days where it just would not go in. Odyssea just played kick ball the whole time.
I'm not saying they are not a good team I'm just saying it's a bit premature to rank them so highly before we have seen them play the top teams weekly in SDL.

I know Odyssey is a good team. They beat Ayses gold, TFC Larry, and had dts 1 to 1 at halftime recently. Maybe they had a bad game against solar renner but they were winning 1 to 0 before solar equalized right before halftime. I watched the game also and they just didn't have a good second half and got scored on in the last 3 minutes of the game which was a controversial goal. Solar renner also had a bunch of crushers players to make a super solar team that tournament. We will see, but i think odyssey is a top ten team. They beat boca juniors in cal last year also. Just my opinion but i think tgre just about got it right Going to be a fun year

Slight correction, that 1-1 tie at halftime against DTS in last weekend’s Puma Cup is incorrect. The final score of that game was 3-0 DTS. In my opinion, Odyssey was the second best team in that tournament, but due to a second game tie 0-0 and the loss to DTS in their third game, Odyssey only had 3 goals for the entire tournament, which knocked them out of playing for the finals, as Boca had a better record. Additionally, these were not true 11 v 11 fields (like the 01's played on), so the field of play was really crowded.

I think the 1-1 game at halftime he was referring to was in the Prime time Tournament in May. It was a sundy morning game and tied 1-1 at half but then DTS pulled away in the second half to win 3-1.

The fields at the Puma Cup were pretty poor for 11 v. 11., it prevented much fast wing play and the boys could not get much space. Having said that, DTS dealt with it well and continues to dominate this age group.

Sprint wrote:

accidentalelbow wrote:

futboler wrote:

Sergi Rebrov wrote:I think Liverpool Gerrard has to be in top 10.

Here are the SDL 1 spring stats based on win percentage

Rankings Winning Percentage SoS (2xOWP/3 + OOWP/3):
21 pts - DT South Adames 1.000 .4398
18 pts - DT Scott City (+12) .8571 .3805
18 pts - Solar Stricker White (+3 reported) .8571 .4444
14 pts - Liverpool Fagen (+10) .5714 .3867
14 pts - FCD Goncalves Blue (+5) .5714 .4532
13 pts - Solar Renner Dynamo M .6667 .3926
12 pts - Solar Renner Maroon (+6) .5714 .4476
12 pts - Liverpool Souter (+2) .5714 .4164
11 pts - FCD Snell Predator .4286 .4833
10 pts - FCD Snell Premier M .4286 .4393
9 pts - DT Scott United .4286 .4384
8 pts - Solar Renner Dynamo K .3333 .4282
7 pts - FCD Snell Premier .2857 .5155
6 pts - AYSES Gold Loftin .2857 .4274
4 pts - TFC Larry .1429 .4866
0 pts - FCD Depew (-10) .0000 .5123
0 pts - TFC Haylock (-19) .0000 .5060
0 pts - FCD Goncalves Red (-25) .0000 .4739

Liverpool Gerrard is Liverpool Souter.

Obviously well ranked on the stats.
Since then they have played 2 tournaments. In both tournaments they reached the championship game with ease. Losing both championship games to Liverpool Fagen (top 3) and FC Dallas Gonvcalves (will challenge the top 3 this fall)

Also in my opinion Odyssea is ranked too high. A team who is untested in SDL 1. Yes they only lost to Renner 1-0 in King Tut but I watched that game. Any other day it would have been 6-0 to Solar, they had one of those USWNT days where it just would not go in. Odyssea just played kick ball the whole time.
I'm not saying they are not a good team I'm just saying it's a bit premature to rank them so highly before we have seen them play the top teams weekly in SDL.

I know Odyssey is a good team. They beat Ayses gold, TFC Larry, and had dts 1 to 1 at halftime recently. Maybe they had a bad game against solar renner but they were winning 1 to 0 before solar equalized right before halftime. I watched the game also and they just didn't have a good second half and got scored on in the last 3 minutes of the game which was a controversial goal. Solar renner also had a bunch of crushers players to make a super solar team that tournament. We will see, but i think odyssey is a top ten team. They beat boca juniors in cal last year also. Just my opinion but i think tgre just about got it right Going to be a fun year

Slight correction, that 1-1 tie at halftime against DTS in last weekend’s Puma Cup is incorrect. The final score of that game was 3-0 DTS. In my opinion, Odyssey was the second best team in that tournament, but due to a second game tie 0-0 and the loss to DTS in their third game, Odyssey only had 3 goals for the entire tournament, which knocked them out of playing for the finals, as Boca had a better record. Additionally, these were not true 11 v 11 fields (like the 01's played on), so the field of play was really crowded.

I think the 1-1 game at halftime he was referring to was in the Prime time Tournament in May. It was a sundy morning game and tied 1-1 at half but then DTS pulled away in the second half to win 3-1.

The fields at the Puma Cup were pretty poor for 11 v. 11., it prevented much fast wing play and the boys could not get much space. Having said that, DTS dealt with it well and continues to dominate this age group.

Probably so, my mistake - good points as well.

futboler wrote:

Now thats funny!

On the other hand, the two 03 boys can play and, like you said, only made the team stronger. They are exceptional players with an immense amount of talent. Hope they play up more, as it helps them as well as the team.

Using younger talent can have mixed results.....gives extra touches to the younger ones while making the older team more competitive.

In recent years, there was a U10 team who opted to go this route. Short term, the move worked great; team went from D3 SDL to D1 SDL in a season. Team was competing well in tournaments and was projected to get a top 10 seed for QT.

Problem was that the younger talent gradually started benching the age pure players in the original team. Eventually, families of those benched players opted to leave the team searching for more playing time. As select time loomed, the younger players were unable to play up any more and the team struggled just to field 11 players for QT. Long story short, team did not make classic and is about to fold.

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futbolista wrote:

debit wrote:I think Liverpool Gerrard belongs in this conversation. I would probably place them 8 or 9 in your list. Not sure how 11v11 will change everything. I think some teams will suffer because of it and others will thrive so it will certainly make the fall season fun.

Other changes... I would bump DT Scott down a couple spots. I think top 4 today are:

DTS
Solar Crushers White
Solar Dynamo
Liverpool Fagen

Admittedly, I haven't seen a lot of these teams in the bottom half like TX Suns, FC Dallas Nova Gomez, Barcelona and it's been a long time since I've seen Boca Juniors, AYSES, Aces and Mansfield Samba

I agree with Debit but would like to add FC Dallas Gonzales in the top 5. It will be interesting this season as now all teams will play 11 v 11. Will all teams have the strength and depth? There will be an adjustment period so strength of team will take time to recognize.

I do see a name on here not recognized. Who are TX Suns and where do they play? I look forward to the upcoming SDL season. Many player changes between teams so it should be interesting.

Just curious as to how the Texas Suns have done against other teams ranked in some of the top 10 lists on this thread.

DTS 02 scrimmaged Texas Suns today and the score was DTS 8 to Texas Suns 2. This is our first time playing this team. I have heard they have played other teams very well and even heard they were one of the top 02 teams.

I think the Texan residency will change the ranking for next year. If there are enough 02 boys in the program and you add these boys to a strong team on the list. It will make that team even stronger. Those kids are practicing about 80 hrs a month. In 2 months that would be more than most teams practice in a year.
It will be interesting to watch these kids and how they develop

futbolista wrote:

futbolista wrote:

debit wrote:I think Liverpool Gerrard belongs in this conversation. I would probably place them 8 or 9 in your list. Not sure how 11v11 will change everything. I think some teams will suffer because of it and others will thrive so it will certainly make the fall season fun.

Other changes... I would bump DT Scott down a couple spots. I think top 4 today are:

DTS
Solar Crushers White
Solar Dynamo
Liverpool Fagen

Admittedly, I haven't seen a lot of these teams in the bottom half like TX Suns, FC Dallas Nova Gomez, Barcelona and it's been a long time since I've seen Boca Juniors, AYSES, Aces and Mansfield Samba

I agree with Debit but would like to add FC Dallas Gonzales in the top 5. It will be interesting this season as now all teams will play 11 v 11. Will all teams have the strength and depth? There will be an adjustment period so strength of team will take time to recognize.

I do see a name on here not recognized. Who are TX Suns and where do they play? I look forward to the upcoming SDL season. Many player changes between teams so it should be interesting.

Just curious as to how the Texas Suns have done against other teams ranked in some of the top 10 lists on this thread.

DTS 02 scrimmaged Texas Suns today and the score was DTS 8 to Texas Suns 2. This is our first time playing this team. I have heard they have played other teams very well and even heard they were one of the top 02 teams.

I think the scrimmage result may speak more to the gap between DTS and the other top teams. I think DTS is pretty far ahead so even with that result TX Suns could still be a top team, just not as close to DTS. Hopefully some of the team perceived to be at the very top can give DTS a good game this year, ( Goncalves, Crushers White, Dynamo, Liverpool Fagen).

WRG wrote:

futbolista wrote:

futbolista wrote:

debit wrote:I think Liverpool Gerrard belongs in this conversation. I would probably place them 8 or 9 in your list. Not sure how 11v11 will change everything. I think some teams will suffer because of it and others will thrive so it will certainly make the fall season fun.

Other changes... I would bump DT Scott down a couple spots. I think top 4 today are:

DTS
Solar Crushers White
Solar Dynamo
Liverpool Fagen

Admittedly, I haven't seen a lot of these teams in the bottom half like TX Suns, FC Dallas Nova Gomez, Barcelona and it's been a long time since I've seen Boca Juniors, AYSES, Aces and Mansfield Samba

I agree with Debit but would like to add FC Dallas Gonzales in the top 5. It will be interesting this season as now all teams will play 11 v 11. Will all teams have the strength and depth? There will be an adjustment period so strength of team will take time to recognize.

I do see a name on here not recognized. Who are TX Suns and where do they play? I look forward to the upcoming SDL season. Many player changes between teams so it should be interesting.

Just curious as to how the Texas Suns have done against other teams ranked in some of the top 10 lists on this thread.

DTS 02 scrimmaged Texas Suns today and the score was DTS 8 to Texas Suns 2. This is our first time playing this team. I have heard they have played other teams very well and even heard they were one of the top 02 teams.

I think the scrimmage result may speak more to the gap between DTS and the other top teams. I think DTS is pretty far ahead so even with that result TX Suns could still be a top team, just not as close to DTS. Hopefully some of the team perceived to be at the very top can give DTS a good game this year, ( Goncalves, Crushers White, Dynamo, Liverpool Fagen).

I'm starting to form an opinion that the CAL teams aren't as great as they are hyped to be. I've heard good things about several of these teams like TX Suns, Boca Juniors, Independiente. We played Independiente recently. They have a strong record in CAL, but we beat them 4-0, and I thought we didn't play that well. It seemed that we spent 80% of the time in our offensive half of the field. I think most of the top CAL teams tend to match up with bottom of D1 in SDL or maybe D2.

debit wrote:

WRG wrote:

futbolista wrote:

futbolista wrote:

debit wrote:I think Liverpool Gerrard belongs in this conversation. I would probably place them 8 or 9 in your list. Not sure how 11v11 will change everything. I think some teams will suffer because of it and others will thrive so it will certainly make the fall season fun.

Other changes... I would bump DT Scott down a couple spots. I think top 4 today are:

DTS
Solar Crushers White
Solar Dynamo
Liverpool Fagen

Admittedly, I haven't seen a lot of these teams in the bottom half like TX Suns, FC Dallas Nova Gomez, Barcelona and it's been a long time since I've seen Boca Juniors, AYSES, Aces and Mansfield Samba

I agree with Debit but would like to add FC Dallas Gonzales in the top 5. It will be interesting this season as now all teams will play 11 v 11. Will all teams have the strength and depth? There will be an adjustment period so strength of team will take time to recognize.

I do see a name on here not recognized. Who are TX Suns and where do they play? I look forward to the upcoming SDL season. Many player changes between teams so it should be interesting.

Just curious as to how the Texas Suns have done against other teams ranked in some of the top 10 lists on this thread.

DTS 02 scrimmaged Texas Suns today and the score was DTS 8 to Texas Suns 2. This is our first time playing this team. I have heard they have played other teams very well and even heard they were one of the top 02 teams.

I think the scrimmage result may speak more to the gap between DTS and the other top teams. I think DTS is pretty far ahead so even with that result TX Suns could still be a top team, just not as close to DTS. Hopefully some of the team perceived to be at the very top can give DTS a good game this year, ( Goncalves, Crushers White, Dynamo, Liverpool Fagen).

I'm starting to form an opinion that the CAL teams aren't as great as they are hyped to be. I've heard good things about several of these teams like TX Suns, Boca Juniors, Independiente. We played Independiente recently. They have a strong record in CAL, but we beat them 4-0, and I thought we didn't play that well. It seemed that we spent 80% of the time in our offensive half of the field. I think most of the top CAL teams tend to match up with bottom of D1 in SDL or maybe D2.

A lot of the Cal teams have kids that play and practice with club teams. My bb and a few others on his team guest play in tournaments and in the Cal league.

The Texas Suns have lost a few kids but that is not say that DTS couldn't beat them with those kids. They were a lot stronger last season. I've seen this team tear pretty much everybody in the east side for a while now but I think that other teams have started to recruit from that team.

I have one question futbolista. Where did the big goalie play DTS or TXS ?

tigre4now wrote:

debit wrote:

WRG wrote:

futbolista wrote:

futbolista wrote:

debit wrote:I think Liverpool Gerrard belongs in this conversation. I would probably place them 8 or 9 in your list. Not sure how 11v11 will change everything. I think some teams will suffer because of it and others will thrive so it will certainly make the fall season fun.

Other changes... I would bump DT Scott down a couple spots. I think top 4 today are:

DTS
Solar Crushers White
Solar Dynamo
Liverpool Fagen

Admittedly, I haven't seen a lot of these teams in the bottom half like TX Suns, FC Dallas Nova Gomez, Barcelona and it's been a long time since I've seen Boca Juniors, AYSES, Aces and Mansfield Samba

I agree with Debit but would like to add FC Dallas Gonzales in the top 5. It will be interesting this season as now all teams will play 11 v 11. Will all teams have the strength and depth? There will be an adjustment period so strength of team will take time to recognize.

I do see a name on here not recognized. Who are TX Suns and where do they play? I look forward to the upcoming SDL season. Many player changes between teams so it should be interesting.

Just curious as to how the Texas Suns have done against other teams ranked in some of the top 10 lists on this thread.

DTS 02 scrimmaged Texas Suns today and the score was DTS 8 to Texas Suns 2. This is our first time playing this team. I have heard they have played other teams very well and even heard they were one of the top 02 teams.

I think the scrimmage result may speak more to the gap between DTS and the other top teams. I think DTS is pretty far ahead so even with that result TX Suns could still be a top team, just not as close to DTS. Hopefully some of the team perceived to be at the very top can give DTS a good game this year, ( Goncalves, Crushers White, Dynamo, Liverpool Fagen).

I'm starting to form an opinion that the CAL teams aren't as great as they are hyped to be. I've heard good things about several of these teams like TX Suns, Boca Juniors, Independiente. We played Independiente recently. They have a strong record in CAL, but we beat them 4-0, and I thought we didn't play that well. It seemed that we spent 80% of the time in our offensive half of the field. I think most of the top CAL teams tend to match up with bottom of D1 in SDL or maybe D2.

A lot of the Cal teams have kids that play and practice with club teams. My bb and a few others on his team guest play in tournaments and in the Cal league.

The Texas Suns have lost a few kids but that is not say that DTS couldn't beat them with those kids. They were a lot stronger last season. I've seen this team tear pretty much everybody in the east side for a while now but I think that other teams have started to recruit from that team.

I have one question futbolista. Where did the big goalie play DTS or TXS ?

Of course DTS Tigre4now. He plays with the other team when we have nothing going on.

TexasSoccer02 wrote:I think the Texan residency will change the ranking for next year. If there are enough 02 boys in the program and you add these boys to a strong team on the list. It will make that team even stronger. Those kids are practicing about 80 hrs a month. In 2 months that would be more than most teams practice in a year.
It will be interesting to watch these kids and how they develop

It will be interesting to see how the residency program works out. It makes since that the boys would improve with more practice, but burnout is always a consideration too. Then again, there are some boys (whose parents cannot afford the residency program) who love soccer and practice in their front yard hours each week.

It makes one stop to consider if a non residency program boy would want to try out for a top Texans team. I would assume the boys who are paying to be in the residency program would receive preferred treatment above those who are not. I could be wrong and they will still accept and play the best, but it makes you stop and think.

2sgrm wrote:

TexasSoccer02 wrote:I think the Texan residency will change the ranking for next year. If there are enough 02 boys in the program and you add these boys to a strong team on the list. It will make that team even stronger. Those kids are practicing about 80 hrs a month. In 2 months that would be more than most teams practice in a year.
It will be interesting to watch these kids and how they develop

It will be interesting to see how the residency program works out. It makes since that the boys would improve with more practice, but burnout is always a consideration too. Then again, there are some boys (whose parents cannot afford the residency program) who love soccer and practice in their front yard hours each week.

It makes one stop to consider if a non residency program boy would want to try out for a top Texans team. I would assume the boys who are paying to be in the residency program would receive preferred treatment above those who are not. I could be wrong and they will still accept and play the best, but it makes you stop and think.

Does anyone know how many 02 boys are in the DT residency program? I assumed it would be older kids doing this program but maybe not. If they start now and hang with it, it definately makes sense they would develop faster with more play and practice time. Assuming they do not burn out and they have some talent to begin with.

Will the elite 02 players start to play up a year once they get into select? That could change the shape of this age group is so.

I have heard that FC Dallas is looking at starting a program for younger kids.
They have a program similar to the Texan Residency Program but for older kids. They are currently working on middle schools to help them with what this age group.

It will be interesting to see which clubs will have a program like that.

I personally think that we are getting out of hand by ranking 9 year old boys and that we need to be careful not to put too much pressure on our kids to win. This is supposed to be fun for them. My advice: just be careful and remember this is a game. I agree there will be a lot of movement among teams this season and we will see some great play. Any day one team can beat another in this age group. Inconsistency is normal for them. We wonder what causes 70% of our kids to stop playing soccer by the age of 13. #1 reason: not fun anymore and #2 reason: my parents and coach put too much pressure on me to perform. Let's remember that out there on the field, ok?

futboler wrote:

Sergi Rebrov wrote:I think Liverpool Gerrard has to be in top 10.

Here are the SDL 1 spring stats based on win percentage

Rankings Winning Percentage SoS (2xOWP/3 + OOWP/3):
21 pts - DT South Adames 1.000 .4398
18 pts - DT Scott City (+12) .8571 .3805
18 pts - Solar Stricker White (+3 reported) .8571 .4444
14 pts - Liverpool Fagen (+10) .5714 .3867
14 pts - FCD Goncalves Blue (+5) .5714 .4532
13 pts - Solar Renner Dynamo M .6667 .3926
12 pts - Solar Renner Maroon (+6) .5714 .4476
12 pts - Liverpool Souter (+2) .5714 .4164
11 pts - FCD Snell Predator .4286 .4833
10 pts - FCD Snell Premier M .4286 .4393
9 pts - DT Scott United .4286 .4384
8 pts - Solar Renner Dynamo K .3333 .4282
7 pts - FCD Snell Premier .2857 .5155
6 pts - AYSES Gold Loftin .2857 .4274
4 pts - TFC Larry .1429 .4866
0 pts - FCD Depew (-10) .0000 .5123
0 pts - TFC Haylock (-19) .0000 .5060
0 pts - FCD Goncalves Red (-25) .0000 .4739

Liverpool Gerrard is Liverpool Souter.

Obviously well ranked on the stats.
Since then they have played 2 tournaments. In both tournaments they reached the championship game with ease. Losing both championship games to Liverpool Fagen (top 3) and FC Dallas Gonvcalves (will challenge the top 3 this fall)

Also in my opinion Odyssea is ranked too high. A team who is untested in SDL 1. Yes they only lost to Renner 1-0 in King Tut but I watched that game. Any other day it would have been 6-0 to Solar, they had one of those USWNT days where it just would not go in. Odyssea just played kick ball the whole time.
I'm not saying they are not a good team I'm just saying it's a bit premature to rank them so highly before we have seen them play the top teams weekly in SDL.

I know Odyssey is a good team. They beat Ayses gold, TFC Larry, and had dts 1 to 1 at halftime recently. Maybe they had a bad game against solar renner but they were winning 1 to 0 before solar equalized right before halftime. I watched the game also and they just didn't have a good second half and got scored on in the last 3 minutes of the game which was a controversial goal. Solar renner also had a bunch of crushers players to make a super solar team that tournament. We will see, but i think odyssey is a top ten team. They beat boca juniors in cal last year also. Just my opinion but i think tgre just about got it right Going to be a fun year

I also saw the game and agree that while there was a period in the second half where Odyssey did a lot of chasing and the ball was primarily in their defensive half, they hung tough with some good defense, goal keeping and a little luck. The determining goal at the end of the second half was a travesty of officiating. Odyssey didn't deserve to win the game but they didn't deserve to lose it on a badgered linesmans call reversal 15 seconds after the intial call was made that the ball had not gone over the goal line.

burnthestar wrote:

futbolista wrote:

Number13 wrote:

futboler wrote:

Number13 wrote:thats a lot of odyssey talk.

they seem to have a decent team. they have one really strong player. parental bias says (as in "moral victory" loss to DTS) they can field a slightly stronger team when they incorporate some of their 03s, which SDL allows but all the NTSSA events/leagues have not.

two 03 players played with 02s in two tournaments a few months ago. needed extra subs

Oh ok, I hope the 03s didn't hurt their competitiveness.

TFC 02 Boys wrote:
They picked up one of the best 02 latin forwards in the age group

What even is a Latin forward? Is that a kid from Jesuit who can chant the pater noster? Is there a list of the best Swahili forwards? Or native English speaking forwards?

Sorry but I couldn't help but laugh.

Whaaaahhh, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaa!!!! "Swahili forwards"!!!! You guys crack me up!

Not to seem petty but doesn't Crushers and Solar Dynamo take the best players from their two teams when they play in separate tournaments? There are some pretty great players that I have seen play on both teams. I have never seen both crushers and dynamo in the same tournament that I can remember but I could be wrong about that.

Primokeeper wrote:

burnthestar wrote:

futbolista wrote:

Number13 wrote:

futboler wrote:

Number13 wrote:thats a lot of odyssey talk.

they seem to have a decent team. they have one really strong player. parental bias says (as in "moral victory" loss to DTS) they can field a slightly stronger team when they incorporate some of their 03s, which SDL allows but all the NTSSA events/leagues have not.

two 03 players played with 02s in two tournaments a few months ago. needed extra subs

Oh ok, I hope the 03s didn't hurt their competitiveness.

TFC 02 Boys wrote:
They picked up one of the best 02 latin forwards in the age group

What even is a Latin forward? Is that a kid from Jesuit who can chant the pater noster? Is there a list of the best Swahili forwards? Or native English speaking forwards?

Sorry but I couldn't help but laugh.

Whaaaahhh, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaa!!!! "Swahili forwards"!!!! You guys crack me up!

Not to seem petty but doesn't Crushers and Solar Dynamo take the best players from their two teams when they play in separate tournaments? There are some pretty great players that I have seen play on both teams. I have never seen both crushers and dynamo in the same tournament that I can remember but I could be wrong about that.

I think that is pretty standard with some of the large clubs. Would not be suprised if DT, FCD and Solar all interchanged kids among other teams in the club when playing in tournaments. I have seen this with Crushers and Dynamo and would not be suprised to see them form one Premiere Level team when they go select for this age group.

WRG wrote:

Primokeeper wrote:

burnthestar wrote:

futbolista wrote:

Number13 wrote:

futboler wrote:

Number13 wrote:thats a lot of odyssey talk.

they seem to have a decent team. they have one really strong player. parental bias says (as in "moral victory" loss to DTS) they can field a slightly stronger team when they incorporate some of their 03s, which SDL allows but all the NTSSA events/leagues have not.

two 03 players played with 02s in two tournaments a few months ago. needed extra subs

Oh ok, I hope the 03s didn't hurt their competitiveness.

TFC 02 Boys wrote:
They picked up one of the best 02 latin forwards in the age group

What even is a Latin forward? Is that a kid from Jesuit who can chant the pater noster? Is there a list of the best Swahili forwards? Or native English speaking forwards?

Sorry but I couldn't help but laugh.

Whaaaahhh, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaa!!!! "Swahili forwards"!!!! You guys crack me up!

Not to seem petty but doesn't Crushers and Solar Dynamo take the best players from their two teams when they play in separate tournaments? There are some pretty great players that I have seen play on both teams. I have never seen both crushers and dynamo in the same tournament that I can remember but I could be wrong about that.

I think that is pretty standard with some of the large clubs. Would not be suprised if DT, FCD and Solar all interchanged kids among other teams in the club when playing in tournaments. I have seen this with Crushers and Dynamo and would not be suprised to see them form one Premiere Level team when they go select for this age group.

My subtle point was that it seems difficult to assess the strength of a team (either crushers or dynamo) as an example (I am not just picking on Solar) if each always has the luxary of pulling the best boys from the other team during tournament play. When they have to field separate teams, like in league play, and can't do that, it would seem that each team would be weaker because they would have to divide the 6-8 highly skilled boys between both teams or have one super team with all of them while the other one would be considerably weaker. I don't know the roster requirments of league play so my perception might not be correct.

Primokeeper wrote:

WRG wrote:

Primokeeper wrote:

burnthestar wrote:

futbolista wrote:

Number13 wrote:

futboler wrote:

Number13 wrote:thats a lot of odyssey talk.

they seem to have a decent team. they have one really strong player. parental bias says (as in "moral victory" loss to DTS) they can field a slightly stronger team when they incorporate some of their 03s, which SDL allows but all the NTSSA events/leagues have not.

two 03 players played with 02s in two tournaments a few months ago. needed extra subs

Oh ok, I hope the 03s didn't hurt their competitiveness.

TFC 02 Boys wrote:
They picked up one of the best 02 latin forwards in the age group

What even is a Latin forward? Is that a kid from Jesuit who can chant the pater noster? Is there a list of the best Swahili forwards? Or native English speaking forwards?

Sorry but I couldn't help but laugh.

Whaaaahhh, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaa!!!! "Swahili forwards"!!!! You guys crack me up!

Not to seem petty but doesn't Crushers and Solar Dynamo take the best players from their two teams when they play in separate tournaments? There are some pretty great players that I have seen play on both teams. I have never seen both crushers and dynamo in the same tournament that I can remember but I could be wrong about that.

I think that is pretty standard with some of the large clubs. Would not be suprised if DT, FCD and Solar all interchanged kids among other teams in the club when playing in tournaments. I have seen this with Crushers and Dynamo and would not be suprised to see them form one Premiere Level team when they go select for this age group.

My subtle point was that it seems difficult to assess the strength of a team (either crushers or dynamo) as an example (I am not just picking on Solar) if each always has the luxary of pulling the best boys from the other team during tournament play. When they have to field separate teams, like in league play, and can't do that, it would seem that each team would be weaker because they would have to divide the 6-8 highly skilled boys between both teams or have one super team with all of them while the other one would be considerably weaker. I don't know the roster requirments of league play so my perception might not be correct.

I agree with your point but think those two teams you mentioned are pretty fluid even in league play. I am not sure who is really on the Dynamo group of teams or who you will be playing each week. I think both of those teams rank high in this age group just due to the fact they win most of the time, with whomever they bring out.

I would like to see them form a top Solar team as I think it would challenge and perhaps beat DTS. Hopefully they will put that together in some of the upcoming tournaments at the end of August or Labor Day.