The U19 English team didn't qualify for the final tournament of the U19 world cup.
The U20 English team just lost in round 16 of the U20 world cup. they played 4 games and didn't score a single goal.
In the 2010 world cup The Pro English team lost 4-1 in round 16 against germany after doing 1-1, 0-0 and a glorious win 1-0 against slovenia in the group stage.

So I ask, is there anything good about British soccer and the way they develop their players ?

gababa wrote:The U19 English team didn't qualify for the final tournament of the U19 world cup.
The U20 English team just lost in round 16 of the U20 world cup. they played 4 games and didn't score a single goal.
In the 2010 world cup The Pro English team lost 4-1 in round 16 against germany after doing 1-1, 0-0 and a glorious win 1-0 against slovenia in the group stage.

So I ask, is there anything good about British soccer and the way they develop their players ?

There are wonderful British soccer players with skill.
However the management (really does not matter who is the coach/manager english or a non english person) do not have the vision to find the right mix of youth and veterans.

Having said all that, I just looked at the current squad of the English national team....

They have a good goalkeeper, good defenders, LOUSY MIDFIELDERS with no CREATIVITY, AWESOME STRIKERS, in awe of their strikers.

So yeah, I guess the system has failed to develop midfielders with creativity.

The squad I looked at is at the link below

http://www.thefa.com/England/Team


P.S. They(England) cheated to win their only world cup win in 1966 so maybe its bad karma.

Rocketeer wrote:

gababa wrote:The U19 English team didn't qualify for the final tournament of the U19 world cup.
The U20 English team just lost in round 16 of the U20 world cup. they played 4 games and didn't score a single goal.
In the 2010 world cup The Pro English team lost 4-1 in round 16 against germany after doing 1-1, 0-0 and a glorious win 1-0 against slovenia in the group stage.

So I ask, is there anything good about British soccer and the way they develop their players ?

There are wonderful British soccer players with skill.
However the management (really does not matter who is the coach/manager english or a non english person) do not have the vision to find the right mix of youth and veterans.

Having said all that, I just looked at the current squad of the English national team....

They have a good goalkeeper, good defenders, LOUSY MIDFIELDERS with no CREATIVITY, AWESOME STRIKERS, in awe of their strikers.

So yeah, I guess the system has failed to develop midfielders with creativity.

The squad I looked at is at the link below

http://www.thefa.com/England/Team


P.S. They(England) cheated to win their only world cup win in 1966 so maybe its bad karma.

That's a good point; you don't develop a midfielder the same way you develop a striker or a defensive player.
Who was that new very young midfielder that looked very promising though ? I think he plays with arsenal; hey maybe a frenchy can develop a good midfielder
Oh I found him :http://www.arsenal.com/first-team/players/jack-wilshere
Isn't he on the national team ?

This guy is already a good Mid-Fielder, more in the mold you are looking for. He is young and has a chance to be great.

http://www.thefa.com/England/All-Teams/Players/W/Jack-Wilshere


But I agree with you overall. I personally don't like the Gerrard, Lampard types of Center-Mids. (and this is coming from a Chelsea fan) I am more partial to a more distributing type Center Mid like Xavi. Wilshere is in this vein.

The USMNT really lacks this type of player. While not at the same level as these guys, I am hoping Holden can sort of become this type of player for us. He has looked very good in his time in the EPL thus far.

English soccer is overrated.

The EPL really isn't "English" anymore. At least in the top 4-5 teams, which field mostly non-English players.

USA has been raised watching the EPL for obvious cultural reasons. It is quite new that we can catch games from La liga, serie A, bundesliga or even now the french 1er league.
I actually believe it is one of the reason we play such an average soccer. The few US people interested with soccer had to watch a hit and run type of league...

Hey I even heard somewhere that some of those top clubs in England select their players around 12-13 years old based on the size of a bone in their thumb. You know, the scientific way ! That allows them to know how big those kids will be when they grow up and thus...how good of a soccer player they will be !!!
Ah, no wonder the English national team doesn't get good results...

EPL is overrated? From top to bottom the EPL table is by far the most difficult league. Why do you think the league leads Euro in the transfer market?

The FA are useless but they do have a written plan for player development and coaching training. They are trying to figure out how to implement the sytem as many countries are. Today it's Spain. After 1998 we were told to copy France. Then it was Germany in 2006. Its all cyclical.

There are some very talented creative players that are coming through the leagues that should have a significant impact wearing the England shirt. Players such as Wilshere, Lansbury, Alex Oxlade Chamberlain, and Connor Wickham.

P.S. Rocketter: The players have to follow the calls the referee makes....I would have been more worried about the Kraut handling on the equalizing goal.

soccerrus2 wrote:EPL is overrated? From top to bottom the EPL table is by far the most difficult league. Why do you think the league leads Euro in the transfer market?

And don't forget the highest amount of depth as well.

The German wrote:

soccerrus2 wrote:EPL is overrated? From top to bottom the EPL table is by far the most difficult league. Why do you think the league leads Euro in the transfer market?

And don't forget the highest amount of depth as well.

...But they still loose to Barcelona

gababa wrote:

The German wrote:

soccerrus2 wrote:EPL is overrated? From top to bottom the EPL table is by far the most difficult league. Why do you think the league leads Euro in the transfer market?

And don't forget the highest amount of depth as well.

...But they still loose to Barcelona

Who is right there with them.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2885/europe/2011/05/11/2478867/how-will-10-of-europes-biggest-clubs-cope-with-financial
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2866/analysis/2011/05/11/2479628/what-is-financial-fair-play-and-how-will-uefa-enforce-it-on

soccerrus2 wrote:
The FA are useless but they do have a written plan for player development and coaching training. They are trying to figure out how to implement the sytem as many countries are. Today it's Spain. After 1998 we were told to copy France. Then it was Germany in 2006. Its all cyclical.

Talking about cyclical. Compare my initial post with the following:
Spain is champion of the world
Spain is european champion
Spain is world champion of the U19
Spain is in the quarter final of the U20 world cup (will play Brazil on the 14th)
Spain has the best team in the world with Barcelona

gababa wrote:

The German wrote:

soccerrus2 wrote:EPL is overrated? From top to bottom the EPL table is by far the most difficult league. Why do you think the league leads Euro in the transfer market?

And don't forget the highest amount of depth as well.

...But they still loose to Barcelona

England lose to Barcelona? Getting club and country mixed up?

that would be a good match though....
with probably the same result.

gababa wrote:

soccerrus2 wrote:
The FA are useless but they do have a written plan for player development and coaching training. They are trying to figure out how to implement the sytem as many countries are. Today it's Spain. After 1998 we were told to copy France. Then it was Germany in 2006. Its all cyclical.

Talking about cyclical. Compare my initial post with the following:
Spain is champion of the world
Spain is european champion
Spain is world champion of the U19
Spain is in the quarter final of the U20 world cup (will play Brazil on the 14th)
Spain has the best team in the world with Barcelona

Again, lets not confuse leagues with country. Until recently Spainish players were considered good but never could get over the hill to win the prize. Remember that 2010 was their first WC win. The highest they ever acheived prior was 4th place pre war era. Yes in 2008 they won the European championship...prior never got closer than qrt final.

Barcelona are great...but using your Country vs Club analogy, take out Alves,Messi,Abidal, Maxwell, Mascherano, Milito....all non Spanairds...and tell me how dominate FCB are.

Sure adding Barcelona was a little misleading.
Now we can still argue: we are talking about developing players, building solid teams and creating your own soccer style. Barcelona is known to home grow his players. So Both Spain and Barcelona (and their styles really are similar) seemed to have found a successful formula where as the British are failing to do so...

EPL and English soccer are not the same.

The EPL is the best league in the world in my opinion. No doubt or debate on my part.

However, the England team is overrated. If you haven't already, you soccer fans should check out the book Soccernomics by Stefan Szymanski. Its excellent reading for the futbol fanatic.

The long name for the book is…Soccernomics: Why England Loses, Why Germany and Brazil Win, and Why the U.S., Japan, Australia, Turkey--and and Even Iraq--Are Destined to Become the Kings of the World's Most Popular Sport.

You can download it to your Kindle or iPAD in 60 seconds.

English soccer is overrated.

They didn't deserve the '66 cup. What else has England done in international soccer? Compared to the big boys like Brazil, Germany, Argentina, and Italy.

gababa wrote:

soccerrus2 wrote:
The FA are useless but they do have a written plan for player development and coaching training. They are trying to figure out how to implement the sytem as many countries are. Today it's Spain. After 1998 we were told to copy France. Then it was Germany in 2006. Its all cyclical.

Talking about cyclical. Compare my initial post with the following:
Spain is champion of the world
Spain is european champion
Spain is world champion of the U19
Spain is in the quarter final of the U20 world cup (will play Brazil on the 14th)
Spain has the best team in the world with Barcelona

Just to add to your post, Spain did not qualify for the U17 World Cup which ended about a month ago. Also, Spain has not finished in the last 4 in the last two Olympics (2004 & 2008).

Ochocinco wrote:
Just to add to your post, Spain did not qualify for the U17 World Cup which ended about a month ago.

Mexica had fun on that one. But yes I am wondering what's up with Spain not even qualified ?!?!

gababa wrote:

Ochocinco wrote:
Just to add to your post, Spain did not qualify for the U17 World Cup which ended about a month ago.

Mexica had fun on that one. But yes I am wondering what's up with Spain not even qualified ?!?!

You mean their development is like the FA?

soccerrus2 wrote:

gababa wrote:

Ochocinco wrote:
Just to add to your post, Spain did not qualify for the U17 World Cup which ended about a month ago.

Mexica had fun on that one. But yes I am wondering what's up with Spain not even qualified ?!?!

You mean their development is like the FA?

Nahhh they just take the long slow development road (you know that "loose games now in order to develop later" discussion) and they are just slower to mature