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New Soccer Complex - It's about time....Looks awesome

threesoccermom- Posts: 44
Join date: 2010-01-06
http://www.freese.com/our-work/elm-fork-athletic-complex-master-plan-and-design
Great news for Dallas.
Great news for Dallas.

M Patient- Posts: 96
Join date: 2009-06-29
Where is this facility going to be located?

GoWide- Posts: 89
Join date: 2009-07-26
SE of IH 35 on Walnut Hill Ln.

afrankw- Posts: 384
Join date: 2009-06-28
Age: 51
threesoccermom wrote:http://www.freese.com/our-work/elm-fork-athletic-complex-master-plan-and-design
Great news for Dallas.
This is a great looking complex. Is this just a study for the city or has the project already been approved?

eredivisie- Posts: 59
Join date: 2009-06-22
I've been hearing about this complex for years. Was this a new announcement? I don't know if the construction was ever funded. Is there any groundbreaking news?

soccer4fun- Posts: 92
Join date: 2010-03-06
I would guess it is only a concept plan and knowing the condition of municipal budgets I would question if it has been funded yet. Beautiful complex and love to see it happen.

PG-Boy- Posts: 249
Join date: 2011-03-12
Location: Dallas - North
I've also heard about this "upcoming" soccer complex for many years.
The city of Dallas has a deficiency of fields.
Hopefully, if indeed built, the city will care for the place. At least, to the same "degree" as Hobby and Moss.
It would be best if a local league took the lead in managing the place. Otherwise it will quickly become a dust bowl like nearby Crown Park.
This is near a heavily soccer-crazy area of Dallas. Unless the fields are managed well (i.e. restricted for official games and not practices & adhoc scrimages), they will quickly be over-used due to the popularity of the game.
Pirate leagues destroy fields by over playing them until they become grassless wastelands. Heavy damage occurs too when they are wet from rain. It would be a shame to spend millions of taxpayer dollars only to allow the fields to be destroyed.
The city of Dallas has a deficiency of fields.
Hopefully, if indeed built, the city will care for the place. At least, to the same "degree" as Hobby and Moss.
It would be best if a local league took the lead in managing the place. Otherwise it will quickly become a dust bowl like nearby Crown Park.
This is near a heavily soccer-crazy area of Dallas. Unless the fields are managed well (i.e. restricted for official games and not practices & adhoc scrimages), they will quickly be over-used due to the popularity of the game.
Pirate leagues destroy fields by over playing them until they become grassless wastelands. Heavy damage occurs too when they are wet from rain. It would be a shame to spend millions of taxpayer dollars only to allow the fields to be destroyed.
Last edited by PG-Boy on Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:52 pm; edited 1 time in total

PG-Boy- Posts: 249
Join date: 2011-03-12
Location: Dallas - North
It would be cool if Dallas built concrete soccer shells around the city.
Shells for small-sided outdoor futsal. The kind found all over Latin America in small and large cities.
You know how cities construct outdoor tennis and basketball courts in most parks? The same concept, but for soccer/futsal. Using concrete and steel, these concrete soccer specific shells could be built in different sizes and can take HEAVY usage.
Once built, they wouldn't need much maintenance. The concrete and steel is designed to withstand floods, heat, cold, kids, etc.
These shells wouldn't sit idle like the empty tennis courts.
Wouldn't it be awesome if these were built everywhere? Imagine the fun kids could have playing for hours in one of these. Free style play with kids of all ages playing together. In small groups, they can create their own teams, leagues, etc. They wouldn't need adults to supervise or guide them.
http://www.connorsportcourt.com/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=28&pid=583
Shells for small-sided outdoor futsal. The kind found all over Latin America in small and large cities.
You know how cities construct outdoor tennis and basketball courts in most parks? The same concept, but for soccer/futsal. Using concrete and steel, these concrete soccer specific shells could be built in different sizes and can take HEAVY usage.
Once built, they wouldn't need much maintenance. The concrete and steel is designed to withstand floods, heat, cold, kids, etc.
These shells wouldn't sit idle like the empty tennis courts.
Wouldn't it be awesome if these were built everywhere? Imagine the fun kids could have playing for hours in one of these. Free style play with kids of all ages playing together. In small groups, they can create their own teams, leagues, etc. They wouldn't need adults to supervise or guide them.
http://www.connorsportcourt.com/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=28&pid=583

my2cents- Posts: 816
Join date: 2009-07-01
PG-Boy wrote:I've also heard about this "upcoming" soccer complex for many years.
The city of Dallas has a deficiency of fields.
Hopefully, if indeed built, the city will care for the place. At least, to the same "degree" as Hobby and Moss.
It would be best if a local league took the lead in managing the place. Otherwise it will quickly become a dust bowl like nearby Crown Park.
This is near a heavily Hispanic area of Dallas. Unless the fields are managed well (i.e. restricted for official games and not practices & adhoc scrimages), they will quickly be over-used due to the popularity of the game.
Pirate leagues destroy fields by over playing them until they become grassless wastelands. Heavy damage occurs too when they are wet from rain. It would be a shame to spend millions of taxpayer dollars only to allow the fields to be destroyed.
It would be a crime to spend millions of taxpayer dollars and then have the fields padlocked except for use by the high dollar clubs and select leagues.

soccerisgood123- Posts: 224
Join date: 2011-08-09
Location: going to my happy place
"It would be a crime to spend millions of taxpayer dollars and then have the fields padlocked except for use by the high dollar clubs and select leagues."
Yeah, actually paying the city and maintaining it instead of destroying the fields and leaving it strewn with dog crap and beer bottles. It would be a real shame....
Yeah, actually paying the city and maintaining it instead of destroying the fields and leaving it strewn with dog crap and beer bottles. It would be a real shame....

PG-Boy- Posts: 249
Join date: 2011-03-12
Location: Dallas - North
Hobby and Moss are relatively well maintained. They are not as nice as the parks in Plano, but in good shape.
It's exactly because they ARE padlocked from vehicles that the kids and adults in NTSSA have grass on the fields. The non-NTSSA fields are destroyed.
Richland in the Dallas city limits is off limits from free play.
The men's league, NTPSA locks up their fields in Balch Springs except for sanctioned matches.
If the fields are not protected for official matches, they will be destroyed.
Drive past Crown Park to get a peek at what happens to fields used by pirate leagues.
The kids in Dallas deserve good fields.
It's exactly because they ARE padlocked from vehicles that the kids and adults in NTSSA have grass on the fields. The non-NTSSA fields are destroyed.
Richland in the Dallas city limits is off limits from free play.
The men's league, NTPSA locks up their fields in Balch Springs except for sanctioned matches.
If the fields are not protected for official matches, they will be destroyed.
Drive past Crown Park to get a peek at what happens to fields used by pirate leagues.
The kids in Dallas deserve good fields.

CincoB- Posts: 83
Join date: 2009-09-14
PG-Boy wrote:Hobby and Moss are relatively well maintained. They are not as nice as the parks in Plano, but in good shape.
It's exactly because they ARE padlocked from vehicles that the kids and adults in NTSSA have grass on the fields. The non-NTSSA fields are destroyed.
Richland in the Dallas city limits is off limits from free play.
The men's league, NTPSA locks up their fields in Balch Springs except for sanctioned matches.
If the fields are not protected for official matches, they will be destroyed.
Drive past Crown Park to get a peek at what happens to fields used by pirate leagues.
The kids in Dallas deserve good fields.
The solution to all that is to build a few outdoor futsal fields like the picture listed in a previous post. They cannot be harmed by unlimited play. Leave those gates unlocked and see if we have the interest that some of us believe we do.

my2cents- Posts: 816
Join date: 2009-07-01
Love the thinking. The parks open to the public get so much use that they get destroyed so lets build more limited use parks not open to the public in general. Then lets start another topic on why the US can't field competitive teams after all we must be reaching a high percentage of kids with our exclusive high dollar competitive teams and no public fields.

wolverine- Posts: 70
Join date: 2010-05-02
PG-Boy wrote:
This is near a heavily Hispanic area of Dallas. Unless the fields are managed well (i.e. restricted for official games and not practices & adhoc scrimages), they will quickly be over-used due to the popularity of the game.
Pirate leagues destroy fields by over playing them until they become grassless wastelands. Heavy damage occurs too when they are wet from rain. It would be a shame to spend millions of taxpayer dollars only to allow the fields to be destroyed.
REALLY? How about we build even more fields in North Dallas suburbs so NON-HISPANIC upper-class kids get to enjoy more privileges and advantages. God forbid we let those Hispanics "over-use" publicly funded parks to encourage dreams and passion for a game that only Non-Hispanic upper-class kids with money to afford soccer club tuition should exclusively enjoy!
PG, please help me understand your comment.
I say build and keep building especially in areas where the fields will be over-used.

wolverine- Posts: 70
Join date: 2010-05-02
my2cents wrote:Love the thinking. The parks open to the public get so much use that they get destroyed so lets build more limited use parks not open to the public in general. Then lets start another topic on why the US can't field competitive teams after all we must be reaching a high percentage of kids with our exclusive high dollar competitive teams and no public fields.![]()
Can I get an amen?

accidentalelbow- Posts: 79
Join date: 2011-05-31
wolverine wrote:my2cents wrote:Love the thinking. The parks open to the public get so much use that they get destroyed so lets build more limited use parks not open to the public in general. Then lets start another topic on why the US can't field competitive teams after all we must be reaching a high percentage of kids with our exclusive high dollar competitive teams and no public fields.![]()
Can I get an amen?
We live in North Dallas suburbs and are Non-Hispanic, but we drive to South Dallas to play with all Hispanics. Should we stay here and play on better fields or travel there to play with better kids on worse fields? It's all so confusing

soccerisgood123- Posts: 224
Join date: 2011-08-09
Location: going to my happy place
"REALLY? How about we build even more fields in North Dallas suburbs so NON-HISPANIC upper-class kids get to enjoy more privileges and advantages. God forbid we let those Hispanics "over-use" publicly funded parks to encourage dreams and passion for a game that only Non-Hispanic upper-class kids with money to afford soccer club tuition should exclusively enjoy!
PG, please help me understand your comment.
I say build and keep building especially in areas where the fields will be over-used."
what a nice speech. perhaps you can sell it to the taxpayers that they should foot the bill for people to play free, who don't pay the tax bill, destroy the fields after they are built and the city should lose money on the deal. Hispanics should not get a free ride because they are hispanic. Build your own financially self sustaining leagues LIKE EVERYONE ELSE is required to do.
PG, please help me understand your comment.
I say build and keep building especially in areas where the fields will be over-used."
what a nice speech. perhaps you can sell it to the taxpayers that they should foot the bill for people to play free, who don't pay the tax bill, destroy the fields after they are built and the city should lose money on the deal. Hispanics should not get a free ride because they are hispanic. Build your own financially self sustaining leagues LIKE EVERYONE ELSE is required to do.

my2cents- Posts: 816
Join date: 2009-07-01
soccerisgood123 wrote:"REALLY? How about we build even more fields in North Dallas suburbs so NON-HISPANIC upper-class kids get to enjoy more privileges and advantages. God forbid we let those Hispanics "over-use" publicly funded parks to encourage dreams and passion for a game that only Non-Hispanic upper-class kids with money to afford soccer club tuition should exclusively enjoy!
PG, please help me understand your comment.
I say build and keep building especially in areas where the fields will be over-used."
what a nice speech. perhaps you can sell it to the taxpayers that they should foot the bill for people to play free, who don't pay the tax bill, destroy the fields after they are built and the city should lose money on the deal. Hispanics should not get a free ride because they are hispanic. Build your own financially self sustaining leagues LIKE EVERYONE ELSE is required to do.
Oh yeah thats right, I forgot if you check the box that says hispanic instead of white you don't have to pay income or property taxes. I need to invest in a rental property and rent it to a hispanic so I can get that tax exemption too. They ought to make little tax exempt forms like the "non profit " clubs get so they can skip the sales taxes too! I love how for some the independent american attitude has become twisted into I've got mine, f--- everyone else.

soccerisgood123- Posts: 224
Join date: 2011-08-09
Location: going to my happy place
nope, i invite any one to play. you are the one with the problem. build the fields, charge a low fee so anyone play. But don't pull that they are hispanic they should get a special break blah blah blah.

my2cents- Posts: 816
Join date: 2009-07-01
What special break. If they work they pay income tax. They live somewhere and whether they own it or not there is property tax paid. Everything they buy has the ridiculously high regressive sales tax. Only wealthier North Dallas pays taxes? All I am saying is build fields where they are needed. If the present ones are being worn out, then there is a need. If a kid wears out a soccer ball do you tell him I am not buying another because you wore the old one out?

PG-Boy- Posts: 249
Join date: 2011-03-12
Location: Dallas - North
Dallas has an abundance of park space. Google a map of Dallas. You'll find green space ALL OVER the city that can be used for practices, training, cascarita play, etc. Plus the DISD schools have plenty of space, too.
The issue isn't about not having enough "space". It's about protecting the new complex for official matches.
I grew up in Dallas and attended school in Dallas. I played soccer as a kid in Dallas. I still play soccer in Dallas. I'm not anti-Dallas.
The kids in Dallas deserve to play official games on well maintained fields with grass.
Again, go drive past Crown Park in NW Dallas, near the proposed new complex will be built. Crown Park has almost no grass because it's overplayed. The players are covered in dust from the huge cloud they create. When it rains, the place has huge pools of water that collect in all the ruts and holes.
I'm just saying, don't allow the new Complex to become like Crown Park. Keep it nice so the kids have a place they can proud about.
Here's another example; Webb Chapel Park on Cromwell. The single field was closed and completely refurbished a year ago. The goalposts removed and the entire field re-sodded and watered. Signs were placed on the field indicating it was only to be used for official games. The yellow tape was also placed around it. The field was beautifully green again.
Well, you can guess what happened within a few months of the goalposts being moved back. The city or who ever paid to refurbish it wasted all the money because the field was back to a muddy mess again. The money could've been saved by just leaving the field as it was before it was fixed-up.
Summary; there is space enough already for all the free-play and practices needed in NW Dallas. Protect the new complex for official play.
Perhaps another solution is to add goalposts to all the existing park land in Dallas. Its the goalposts that attract use, not open flat grassland, per se.
The issue isn't about not having enough "space". It's about protecting the new complex for official matches.
I grew up in Dallas and attended school in Dallas. I played soccer as a kid in Dallas. I still play soccer in Dallas. I'm not anti-Dallas.
The kids in Dallas deserve to play official games on well maintained fields with grass.
Again, go drive past Crown Park in NW Dallas, near the proposed new complex will be built. Crown Park has almost no grass because it's overplayed. The players are covered in dust from the huge cloud they create. When it rains, the place has huge pools of water that collect in all the ruts and holes.
I'm just saying, don't allow the new Complex to become like Crown Park. Keep it nice so the kids have a place they can proud about.
Here's another example; Webb Chapel Park on Cromwell. The single field was closed and completely refurbished a year ago. The goalposts removed and the entire field re-sodded and watered. Signs were placed on the field indicating it was only to be used for official games. The yellow tape was also placed around it. The field was beautifully green again.
Well, you can guess what happened within a few months of the goalposts being moved back. The city or who ever paid to refurbish it wasted all the money because the field was back to a muddy mess again. The money could've been saved by just leaving the field as it was before it was fixed-up.
Summary; there is space enough already for all the free-play and practices needed in NW Dallas. Protect the new complex for official play.
Perhaps another solution is to add goalposts to all the existing park land in Dallas. Its the goalposts that attract use, not open flat grassland, per se.


