Congratulations! That's awesome.
See you on the pitch!

I am in agreement with you about the other two points.

In fact, these three games have been the best reffing I've seen. No problems yet...so my thesis:

1) better refs are assigned to older teams?
2) playing better teams so less issues?
3) playing on team with better rep so refs don't "see" as much?
4) aberration that will correct the average when we have three really bad refs later?

#1 and 2 are correct...possibly #3

happyfeet wrote:

toffeemate wrote:Whats ridiculous is that we all know who they are by what the assessor is wearing and the clipboard he is carrying. If I can see you so can the referees that are being assessed. It is amazing how much better and more attentive referee's are when they can see they guy with his clipboard watching... Lets try something new... How about referrer assessors go incognito and see how the referee's they are assessing do.

What a silly post. One, the assessors don't wear any special clothing, two, they often show up after the half has started (do you think that the referee is constantly scanning the crowds for them?), three, do you really think a ref who is lacking in speed, fitness or judgement can just turn into a good referee...just like that? You clearly don't know much about reffing.

I clearly know more than too many of the (paid) refs that take the field around town. (overhead kick called a backpass, ball must be inside the arc and not touching anything to take a corner, showing advantage when none existed, not knowing the touchline is part of the field and still “in play”, etc..) Interesting that you brought up speed, fitness and judgment as being what makes a good referee. I see too many that are not fit, and/or don’t seem to have the speed or will (even at U9/U10 games) to keep up with play. Judgment seems to be in the eye of the beholder, so I try not to put too much into that. That being said, I think speed and judgment can definitely be altered, some-not all, are being lazy or just don’t care about the quality they are providing. Most of the time I see calls being made with the ref 30yds away, I suppose you could put that into any of the 3 categories (speed, fitness, judgment), or all 3, i.e. didn’t use the judgment to speed up and stay with the play, possibly due to lack of fitness. When I see the assessors, they are usually roaming from field to field, standing mostly in the corner area, it’s not too hard to notice. I think most people “up their game” whether at work or play when their boss/or authority figure is present, especially if it only happens infrequently.

Sorry to have hit a sore point here, but as usual, refs are too concerned with being criticized than taking constructive criticism from anyone.

Not a sore point at all. As for upping their game, I know some refs who tense up and are worse with an assessor nearby, so that point doesn't always hold water. As for your examples, the ball can touch the arc, it doesn't need to be inside. The vast majority of close touchline calls are handled by the AR not the CR (responsibilities discussed in pre-game). Showing advantage when none is there? That's a judgment call...something you said was in the eye of the beholder. If you know so much, why aren't you out there?
As for constructive criticism, I love it...you just didn't have any in your post.

A nice dive and this time not in Italy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M-0cWtc_XI

U16 D1 Ody vs Eagles. Two teams with a history and rivalry. I went to this game fearing the worst as the previous meetings last year were very rough games. I was worried it would be one of those where you wish please just let it end with no trips to the hospital. The assigned crew was OUTSTANDING !!! It was a great game played by both teams. Because of the control and efforts of the stripes kept these rivals playing the game as it should be.

Recent U-19 D1 boys game. Offensive player relatively alone on long ball turns around last defender inside the box--defender trips up offensive player from behind but offensive player retains ball, maintains balance, and plants the ball in the net. Center, from well behind the play, calls the goal back for a foul on offensive player.

Later, foul (maybe) by defender near goal line easily 6 yards outside the box in front of the AR (who was well positioned). No flag waved by AR. Center, barely accross the center line on opposite side of the field jogs up whistling and points to the spot. Never conferred with AR.

There were two assessors at this game, one on each end of the field. I was sitting next to one of them. A couple minutes after he called the PK, the center stops the game and calls the AR over. As this is going on, the assessor from the other end walks up to the one I was sitting next to and says something like "did you see any foul on that goal called back--I sure didn't." The other says, no foul at all, if anything against the defender." THe other who was near the PK call says, "that other call was way outside the box." The other one says, " i was pretty sure of that too."

At this point, folks are wondering what was going on with the ref and AR. The assessor next to me, getting up and folding up his chair says to the parents "that center pretty much always comes up lame during a game." The AR and center switched positions, though you gotta wonder how a lame center can keep up with the pace as AR at this level.

Those calls resulted in a 2 goal swing that could affect DC qualification for the team that suffered both calls. Nothing can be done about those judgement calls, but I sure hope the assessor reports make it hard for that center to get any more games at this level. And, I wonder how a ref with a history of coming up lame gets a U-19 D1 boys game in the first place.

ball-coise is mhath wrote:Recent U-19 D1 boys game. Offensive player relatively alone on long ball turns around last defender inside the box--defender trips up offensive player from behind but offensive player retains ball, maintains balance, and plants the ball in the net. Center, from well behind the play, calls the goal back for a foul on offensive player.

Later, foul (maybe) by defender near goal line easily 6 yards outside the box in front of the AR (who was well positioned). No flag waved by AR. Center, barely accross the center line on opposite side of the field jogs up whistling and points to the spot. Never conferred with AR.

There were two assessors at this game, one on each end of the field. I was sitting next to one of them. A couple minutes after he called the PK, the center stops the game and calls the AR over. As this is going on, the assessor from the other end walks up to the one I was sitting next to and says something like "did you see any foul on that goal called back--I sure didn't." The other says, no foul at all, if anything against the defender." THe other who was near the PK call says, "that other call was way outside the box." The other one says, " i was pretty sure of that too."

At this point, folks are wondering what was going on with the ref and AR. The assessor next to me, getting up and folding up his chair says to the parents "that center pretty much always comes up lame during a game." The AR and center switched positions, though you gotta wonder how a lame center can keep up with the pace as AR at this level.

Those calls resulted in a 2 goal swing that could affect DC qualification for the team that suffered both calls. Nothing can be done about those judgement calls, but I sure hope the assessor reports make it hard for that center to get any more games at this level. And, I wonder how a ref with a history of coming up lame gets a U-19 D1 boys game in the first place.

While the referee's calls my have beenand probably were poor, and he may have started to cramp up, you did not say if this was his first or last game of the day, but equally troubling is the unprofessional behaviour of the two assessors in discussing the referee'sooor performance in front of spectators and parents. No excuse for poor refereeing, but no excuse for this either.
Rm