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    Axxman

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    Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  Axxman on Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:59 pm

    Alright this 99 forum is getting a little boring. How about a poll. Who do you think is the best coach in D1 for long term development? Not best recruiter and who can win now, I'm talking straight making kids with ability and potential that much better. Lets face it, lets take Classic League D1 as an example, only a few kids if that from the 10 teams will go on to play college ball and perhaps beyond. So if you had to pick 1 coach from todays D1, who would it be? In no particular order, here they are;

    Passos
    Connell
    Leite
    Hernandez
    Lopez
    Oancea
    Badii
    Clementson
    Arias
    Garcia


    Speak to me, don't be shy, just pick one, two tops. Lets leave the clubs out of this for the sake of opinion and make it based on the coach only if that's possible.

    soccer4fun

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    Re: Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  soccer4fun on Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:39 pm

    He is in the 98's (now) but by far Terry Woodberry with Liverpool. Never seen kids develop as fast and love it along the way as with Terry; That's my vote !!!

    What?

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    Re: Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  What? on Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:57 pm

    Axxman wrote:Alright this 99 forum is getting a little boring. How about a poll. Who do you think is the best coach in D1 for long term development? Not best recruiter and who can win now, I'm talking straight making kids with ability and potential that much better. Lets face it, lets take Classic League D1 as an example, only a few kids if that from the 10 teams will go on to play college ball and perhaps beyond. So if you had to pick 1 coach from todays D1, who would it be? In no particular order, here they are;

    Passos
    Connell
    Leite
    Hernandez
    Lopez
    Oancea
    Badii
    Clementson
    Arias
    Garcia


    Speak to me, don't be shy, just pick one, two tops. Lets leave the clubs out of this for the sake of opinion and make it based on the coach only if that's possible.


    MARCIO IS #1. HANDS DOWN. THE OTHERS CAN'T HOLD HIS FU#*ING JOCK. WHAT YOU HAVE HERE MY FRIEND IS: POSERS WITH COOL WARM UPS AND SUN GLASSES, DADDY COACHES, MEXICAN BEER LEAGUE HAS BEENS, I HAVE AN ACCENT SO I CAN COACH, DON'T TALK TO ME PARENTS FOR 48 HOURS AFTER A GAME RULE COACHES,
    MARCIO HAS A COOL CAR, AN ACCENT, NIKE WARM UPS, AND PROBABLY GETS A LOT OF POON TANG. HE'S LEGIT. COME ON. WHO ARE WITH KIDDING?

    YOUR QUESTION: So if you had to pick 1 coach from todays D1, who would it be?

    1. MARCIO
    2. MARCIO
    3. MARCIO
    YOU GET THE POINT.

    omega striker

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    Re: Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  omega striker on Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:16 pm

    soccer4fun wrote:He is in the 98's (now) but by far Terry Woodberry with Liverpool. Never seen kids develop as fast and love it along the way as with Terry; That's my vote !!!
    i dont think he was one of the choices sir? tongue

    omega striker

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    Re: Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  omega striker on Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:17 pm

    What? wrote:
    Axxman wrote:Alright this 99 forum is getting a little boring. How about a poll. Who do you think is the best coach in D1 for long term development? Not best recruiter and who can win now, I'm talking straight making kids with ability and potential that much better. Lets face it, lets take Classic League D1 as an example, only a few kids if that from the 10 teams will go on to play college ball and perhaps beyond. So if you had to pick 1 coach from todays D1, who would it be? In no particular order, here they are;

    Passos
    Connell
    Leite
    Hernandez
    Lopez
    Oancea
    Badii
    Clementson
    Arias
    Garcia


    Speak to me, don't be shy, just pick one, two tops. Lets leave the clubs out of this for the sake of opinion and make it based on the coach only if that's possible.


    MARCIO IS #1. HANDS DOWN. THE OTHERS CAN'T HOLD HIS FU#*ING JOCK. WHAT YOU HAVE HERE MY FRIEND IS: POSERS WITH COOL WARM UPS AND SUN GLASSES, DADDY COACHES, MEXICAN BEER LEAGUE HAS BEENS, I HAVE AN ACCENT SO I CAN COACH, DON'T TALK TO ME PARENTS FOR 48 HOURS AFTER A GAME RULE COACHES,
    MARCIO HAS A COOL CAR, AN ACCENT, NIKE WARM UPS, AND PROBABLY GETS A LOT OF POON TANG. HE'S LEGIT. COME ON. WHO ARE WITH KIDDING?

    YOUR QUESTION: So if you had to pick 1 coach from todays D1, who would it be?

    1. MARCIO
    2. MARCIO
    3. MARCIO
    YOU GET THE POINT.
    lol!

    omega striker

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    Re: Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  omega striker on Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:31 pm

    Axxman wrote:Alright this 99 forum is getting a little boring. How about a poll. Who do you think is the best coach in D1 for long term development? Not best recruiter and who can win now, I'm talking straight making kids with ability and potential that much better. Lets face it, lets take Classic League D1 as an example, only a few kids if that from the 10 teams will go on to play college ball and perhaps beyond. So if you had to pick 1 coach from todays D1, who would it be? In no particular order, here they are;

    Passos
    Connell
    Leite
    Hernandez
    Lopez
    Oancea
    Badii
    Clementson
    Arias
    Garcia


    Speak to me, don't be shy, just pick one, two tops. Lets leave the clubs out of this for the sake of opinion and make it based on the coach only if that's possible.
    let me take a crack at the brekdown in this one....Oancea and clementson are new untested but teams are struggling but parents really like them.
    Hernandez and garcia are the dad coaches
    lopez has politics killing his team
    Passos is the recruiting champ
    Arias is the texting king
    Badii is a nice guy
    only leite and connell have older teams with success so its a no brainer there!

    Soccerinsanity

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    Re: Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  Soccerinsanity on Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:17 am

    I haven't been around long enough to know all these coaches?! But I'd like to see thisquestion posted for all age groups, too!

    PlayerX

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    Re: Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  PlayerX on Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:26 pm



    Although there are many qualities that make a good coach, getting the players to respond and execute their responsibilities is an unappreciated quality.

    What's the criteria for “Development” ? Skills training, Technical development, understanding the game and game situations, preparation, the player maximizing their abilities, tactical adjustments, communication and knowing how to motivate and encourage his players?

    Here goes… (based on observations)

    Lopez…. Team moves the ball extremely well… so he’s teaching them something… I don’t hear him on the sideline talking to his players.

    Passo… at times can be hard on his kids… and even talks down to some of the players… He’s shown that he can get new talent… and win with that talent… team doesn’t move the ball as well as Lopez’s team… or Marcio’s team…

    Connell… seems to be an all around “good” coach… Ball movement is OK… and team appears to be well prepared..... you can hear him talking to his players during the game and makes adjustments.. Honestly.. I think he’s underrated as being one of the better coaches.

    Garcia… Team at one point was the best at ball possession and ball movement.. but recently… they look to be out of sync… also has a number of good players…. But team also looks to the refs “flopping”






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    Re: Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  CLUB31 on Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:48 am

    Will rank them in due time. For now and it pains me to say it has to be Leite as the best.

    Axxman

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    Re: Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  Axxman on Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:16 am

    Thanks What and Club for making my point for me.

    You want to win now, you want your kid to have fun and enjoy the experience, you want to have the nicest fields, nicest stadium, be with his friends, etc. etc.? You don't want your bb to hear someone yelling or bad words or anything much different than they will run into in the real world at school with school coaches, etc. etc.? If you can teach your kid the difference between right and wrong and he can learn to filter out the negative and can take it, yet you want your bb to have the best chance of playing down the road........the answer is pretty clear.

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    Re: Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  ontherightside on Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:34 am

    Since this is a 99 thread and only 99 D-1 coaches were mentioned...I'd have to say Neil Connell!!

    Poor guy is treated like a red-headed step child by HN, team not even allowed to grace the Ross Stewart fields for practice, yet still in 2nd place currently in D-1.

    You guys are ready to give FCD -Central the "Premier" name -- how about giving DTR the DT name and fields?!?

    Looks like he has made something out of not much.

    omega striker

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    Re: Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  omega striker on Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:49 am

    ontherightside wrote:Since this is a 99 thread and only 99 D-1 coaches were mentioned...I'd have to say Neil Connell!!

    Poor guy is treated like a red-headed step child by HN, team not even allowed to grace the Ross Stewart fields for practice, yet still in 2nd place currently in D-1.

    You guys are ready to give FCD -Central the "Premier" name -- how about giving DTR the DT name and fields?!?

    Looks like he has made something out of not much.
    not too sure about his "coaching" abilitys but for sure he knows where to "play" his players! Wink

    Axxman

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    Re: Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  Axxman on Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:28 pm

    ontherightside wrote:Since this is a 99 thread and only 99 D-1 coaches were mentioned...I'd have to say Neil Connell!!

    Poor guy is treated like a red-headed step child by HN, team not even allowed to grace the Ross Stewart fields for practice, yet still in 2nd place currently in D-1.

    You guys are ready to give FCD -Central the "Premier" name -- how about giving DTR the DT name and fields?!?

    Looks like he has made something out of not much.


    And here I thought you knew what you were talking about. You can't be serious about Connell. Why are you getting caught up in the 99 D1 rankings right now? Don't you think there are good reasons for being the red headed step child? At this age you are well aware that two or three big strong boys can make a big difference in wins/losses given the size strength differences alone. Put those two DTR boys on any team in D1 and they should be top 3 quite easily regardless of the coach. And if DTR wants that DT name and the fields, you would think they would easily beat the current DT team which was not the case, in fact they were easily outplayed. I still would guess you are with DTR but perhaps I'm wrong cause anyone that has witnessed his practices knows that he's not developing much at all. In fact, I hear that Hassan made a couple of those top players stay on that team to give Connell a chance and for other somewhat political reasons. Heck, is that nice center mid of theirs even paying to play on Connell, word is not a penny.

    So if you want to put in a vote for Connell and think he's all that, you are gonna have to give us a bit more. Maybe some credentials or something he's done in the past?


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    Re: Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  ontherightside on Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:35 pm

    I've already told you...I don't have a clue what I am talking about, but I thought you did.

    You were the one saying ML did not take the BFS striker from DTR because he lacked skill--what's wrong the BEST 99 coach afraid he can't teach skill??!!?? Now you are saying he would make a difference no matter what coach/team.

    All good fun on a Monday!

    Axxman

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    Re: Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  Axxman on Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:41 pm

    ontherightside wrote:I've already told you...I don't have a clue what I am talking about, but I thought you did.

    You were the one saying ML did not take the BFS striker from DTR because he lacked skill--what's wrong the BEST 99 coach afraid he can't teach skill??!!?? Now you are saying he would make a difference no matter what coach/team.

    All good fun on a Monday!



    If ML's main goal was finishing top of 99 Classic D1 today, yes he would have taken the striker, but obviously that wasn't the case. You are helping me out here, it's about the long term isn't it or do you want to make Connell the best cause of his wins thus far? So read carefuelly, he would make a difference in wins today.

    ontherightside

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    Post  ontherightside on Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:51 pm

    But couldn't your coach teach him skills - especially at $125 per month?

    Just messin with you.

    Really, to answer your question, I am more about today rather than tomorrow because just like you said only a handful of these boys will go for the long term - mine - very unlikely.


    Axxman

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    Re: Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  Axxman on Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:10 pm

    ontherightside wrote:But couldn't your coach teach him skills - especially at $125 per month?

    Just messin with you.

    Really, to answer your question, I am more about today rather than tomorrow because just like you said only a handful of these boys will go for the long term - mine - very unlikely.




    His skills are optional and it is very rare to get kids at this age to commit to soccer 4 days a week (2 practice and 2 skills) plus games. Most are playing multiple sports. So for those that are interested and the kids themselves want to go and get better, $125 for twice a week is not a bad deal.

    omega striker

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    Re: Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  omega striker on Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:38 pm

    Axx im gonna diagree with ya bro on this one, if you place that DTR striker on a certain D1 teams he wouldnt do squat on that team! theres no way a single striker is going to beat the 4 man defense not in D1 and hes not that kind of player sorry! tongue

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    Post  PlayerX on Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:13 pm

    From what I can see.. Connell's striker is not without soccer skills. He's not the most polished.. but he's a good player and seemingly knows how to play his position.

    Wasn’t Connell’s team in D3… then D2… and now D1?

    I've spoken to a few of Marcio's former players and they all spoke highly of his soccer knowledge... and they all commented on how much they disliked how he treated and talked to his players.. Development isn’t about winning... it's about improving players skills, knowledge of the game, tactical, movement, spacing, decision making.

    Axxman.. You’re right... kids will hear and see a number of things while at school... at the mall... and even in practice and games  .... I also understand that kids mature and developed at a different rate than others... There's an extremely important mental aspect to developing kids... they need to be motivated and encouraged... and at some point... the confidence in their game will come. Embarrassing and humiliating can derail and scar the kids… which can lead to other issues.

    Seems like the conversation is now turning into a comparison between Marcio and Connell… Both are good coaches… with differing approaches.

    What are your thoughts on Passo, Lopez, Garcia…. and Sammy Olali – AYSES…. By far the best ball movement of any team in the 99 age division

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    Post  Axxman on Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:15 pm

    omega striker wrote:Axx im gonna diagree with ya bro on this one, if you place that DTR striker on a certain D1 teams he wouldnt do squat on that team! theres no way a single striker is going to beat the 4 man defense not in D1 and hes not that kind of player sorry! tongue


    What I said was put in the top two kids from that team on another D1 team, meaning their center mid and that forward, not just the forward. And if you put in that center mid and forward, even on the comets, and blindfold the coach, you would have more wins guaranteed.

    omega striker

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    Post  omega striker on Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:19 pm

    Axxman wrote:
    omega striker wrote:Axx im gonna diagree with ya bro on this one, if you place that DTR striker on a certain D1 teams he wouldnt do squat on that team! theres no way a single striker is going to beat the 4 man defense not in D1 and hes not that kind of player sorry! tongue


    What I said was put in the top two kids from that team on another D1 team, meaning their center mid and that forward, not just the forward. And if you put in that center mid and forward, even on the comets, and blindfold the coach, you would have more wins guaranteed.
    NOPE not gonna happen sorry brotha but it takes a few more solid players than those two! that is a solid team but those two were the main scorers from azzuri and wizards in years past whats the difference? the teams bro they are playing for better teams now so they can "shine" a bit more Cool

    omega striker

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    Re: Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  omega striker on Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:23 pm

    PlayerX wrote:From what I can see.. Connell's striker is not without soccer skills. He's not the most polished.. but he's a good player and seemingly knows how to play his position.

    Wasn’t Connell’s team in D3… then D2… and now D1?

    I've spoken to a few of Marcio's former players and they all spoke highly of his soccer knowledge... and they all commented on how much they disliked how he treated and talked to his players.. Development isn’t about winning... it's about improving players skills, knowledge of the game, tactical, movement, spacing, decision making.

    Axxman.. You’re right... kids will hear and see a number of things while at school... at the mall... and even in practice and games  .... I also understand that kids mature and developed at a different rate than others... There's an extremely important mental aspect to developing kids... they need to be motivated and encouraged... and at some point... the confidence in their game will come. Embarrassing and humiliating can derail and scar the kids… which can lead to other issues.

    Seems like the conversation is now turning into a comparison between Marcio and Connell… Both are good coaches… with differing approaches.

    What are your thoughts on Passo, Lopez, Garcia…. and Sammy Olali – AYSES…. By far the best ball movement of any team in the 99 age division
    are you serious?

    Axxman

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    Post  Axxman on Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:30 pm

    PlayerX wrote:From what I can see.. Connell's striker is not without soccer skills. He's not the most polished.. but he's a good player and seemingly knows how to play his position.

    Wasn’t Connell’s team in D3… then D2… and now D1?

    I've spoken to a few of Marcio's former players and they all spoke highly of his soccer knowledge... and they all commented on how much they disliked how he treated and talked to his players.. Development isn’t about winning... it's about improving players skills, knowledge of the game, tactical, movement, spacing, decision making.

    Axxman.. You’re right... kids will hear and see a number of things while at school... at the mall... and even in practice and games  .... I also understand that kids mature and developed at a different rate than others... There's an extremely important mental aspect to developing kids... they need to be motivated and encouraged... and at some point... the confidence in their game will come. Embarrassing and humiliating can derail and scar the kids… which can lead to other issues.

    Seems like the conversation is now turning into a comparison between Marcio and Connell… Both are good coaches… with differing approaches.

    What are your thoughts on Passo, Lopez, Garcia…. and Sammy Olali – AYSES…. By far the best ball movement of any team in the 99 age division


    Good points but let me correct you with something; Connell did not make D1 on their own merit. They finished 3rd in D2 and only moved up due to the fallout from other teams in D1.

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    Post  ontherightside on Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:33 pm

    What an odd thing for you to point out to support your argument??? Yes, that is correct - they got in on a bye, and look at them now sitting in the 2nd spot.

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    Post  Axxman on Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:40 pm

    ontherightside wrote:What an odd thing for you to point out to support your argument??? Yes, that is correct - they got in on a bye, and look at them now sitting in the 2nd spot.



    LOL. You sure know an aweful lot about the Texans, their fees, history, etc. for somebody that wasn't at their games or isn't part of the organization. Keep living the dream.

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    Re: Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  Axxman on Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:43 pm

    Axxman wrote:
    ontherightside wrote:What an odd thing for you to point out to support your argument??? Yes, that is correct - they got in on a bye, and look at them now sitting in the 2nd spot.



    LOL. You sure know an aweful lot about the Texans, their fees, history, etc. for somebody that wasn't at their games or isn't part of the organization. Keep living the dream.


    And further to that, how many top 98 kids did DTR lose due to the pre academy fall out? But since you and your self proclaimed average bb are all about the now, none of that matters. Put him on Solar Red and ride the wave.

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    Re: Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  Soccerinsanity on Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:44 pm

    Can't blame Axx for choosing Marcio....last game I saw, Marcio was yelling, "Get the frickin ball to" Little Ax!!!! True story!


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    Re: Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  go99 on Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:44 pm

    Oh wow! Best coaches. Not gonna see very many honest opinions on this one. Love the player X logging in with his first post Shocked . Welcome to the boards. lol. I should have logged in as player y. I like connell and BB enjoyed practicing with him. Not sure why he gets no love from the darklord. My is Marcio developing anyway? Fitness, conditioning and a strong kick is all you need. Saw that academy team play Dallas cup and better forget about that development axx and get your stopwatch to check little axx's 40 times. All roads lead to the darkside AXX. Twisted Evil

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    Post  ontherightside on Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:52 pm

    Axxman wrote:
    Axxman wrote:
    ontherightside wrote:What an odd thing for you to point out to support your argument??? Yes, that is correct - they got in on a bye, and look at them now sitting in the 2nd spot.







    LOL. You sure know an aweful lot about the Texans, their fees, history, etc. for somebody that wasn't at their games or isn't part of the organization. Keep living the dream.


    And further to that, how many top 98 kids did DTR lose due to the pre academy fall out? But since you and your self proclaimed average bb are all about the now, none of that matters. Put him on Solar Red and ride the wave.


    BB is not with DTR. I have told you that and have no reason to be dishonest with you.

    Since you asked, as far as I know, DTR lost 0 kids to PA. The center mid you are so fond of is the only dual-rostered from that team and he was picked up well after June 1st. Since then the PA has dual-rostered the 00, and two from DTS. I guess Marcio won't share -- too worried about winning his Saturday games perhaps?

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    Re: Best Coach - Develop Away

    Post  omega striker on Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:55 pm

    ontherightside wrote:
    Axxman wrote:
    Axxman wrote:
    ontherightside wrote:What an odd thing for you to point out to support your argument??? Yes, that is correct - they got in on a bye, and look at them now sitting in the 2nd spot.







    LOL. You sure know an aweful lot about the Texans, their fees, history, etc. for somebody that wasn't at their games or isn't part of the organization. Keep living the dream.


    And further to that, how many top 98 kids did DTR lose due to the pre academy fall out? But since you and your self proclaimed average bb are all about the now, none of that matters. Put him on Solar Red and ride the wave.


    BB is not with DTR. I have told you that and have no reason to be dishonest with you.

    Since you asked, as far as I know, DTR lost 0 kids to PA. The center mid you are so fond of is the only dual-rostered from that team and he was picked up well after June 1st. Since then the PA has dual-rostered the 00, and two from DTS. I guess Marcio won't share -- too worried about winning his Saturday games perhaps?
    dual rostered what 00'? and there are NO DR's from DTS, but i thought your BB played for DTS? is he DR? confused

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