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    Best 97 Coach???

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    EastTexasSoccer

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    Best 97 Coach???

    Post  EastTexasSoccer on Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:22 pm

    Who is the best 97 coach??? Preparing players for the next level (college), ODP, PA, and overall team accomplishments.

    ticoz

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  ticoz on Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:01 pm

    Jesse Suarez

    omega striker

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  omega striker on Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:04 pm

    ticoz wrote:Jesse Suarez
    X2 cheers

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  plantit on Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:53 am


    I think at this age coaches are more managers . Kids already know how to play. Kids know when they make a mistake . Going to the next level is all about technical ability and decision making. Teams are formed at this age with kids who have developed under multiple coaches and systems . The best coaches tend to look at what they have , the strengths and weaknesses of each individual and manage to his players personalities to get the most out of them.( They are not going to reinvent the wheel) A good coach will approach Tactical training with this in mind. Let the players be themselves but try to improve on what the are. From what i've seen the above mentioned coach is pretty good at all of the above . He's shot us straight from day one ,and tends to let the players play with their individual style within his system.Good coach, good manager , developer, disiplinarian,mentor,integrity. Suarez posseses these qualities . I'm certain others possess these qualities also ( Kunitz comes to mind ) and some don't ( Arias ) .

    EastTexasSoccer

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  EastTexasSoccer on Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:34 am

    I've heard a lot of good things about Irving Elite's coach...

    my2cents

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  my2cents on Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:57 am

    plantit wrote:
    I think at this age coaches are more managers . Kids already know how to play. Kids know when they make a mistake . Going to the next level is all about technical ability and decision making. Teams are formed at this age with kids who have developed under multiple coaches and systems . The best coaches tend to look at what they have , the strengths and weaknesses of each individual and manage to his players personalities to get the most out of them.( They are not going to reinvent the wheel) A good coach will approach Tactical training with this in mind. Let the players be themselves but try to improve on what the are. From what i've seen the above mentioned coach is pretty good at all of the above . He's shot us straight from day one ,and tends to let the players play with their individual style within his system.Good coach, good manager , developer, disiplinarian,mentor,integrity. Suarez posseses these qualities . I'm certain others possess these qualities also ( Kunitz comes to mind ) and some don't ( Arias ) .


    I really don't think that at U15 players have learned all they can and just need someone to manage the use of those skills and tactics. They still have plenty to learn. Coaching styles at the older ages may be more hands off but they still need coaching to advance.

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  plantit on Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:26 am

    my2cents wrote:
    plantit wrote:
    I think at this age coaches are more managers . Kids already know how to play. Kids know when they make a mistake . Going to the next level is all about technical ability and decision making. Teams are formed at this age with kids who have developed under multiple coaches and systems . The best coaches tend to look at what they have , the strengths and weaknesses of each individual and manage to his players personalities to get the most out of them.( They are not going to reinvent the wheel) A good coach will approach Tactical training with this in mind. Let the players be themselves but try to improve on what the are. From what i've seen the above mentioned coach is pretty good at all of the above . He's shot us straight from day one ,and tends to let the players play with their individual style within his system.Good coach, good manager , developer, disiplinarian,mentor,integrity. Suarez posseses these qualities . I'm certain others possess these qualities also ( Kunitz comes to mind ) and some don't ( Arias ) .


    I really don't think that at U15 players have learned all they can and just need someone to manage the use of those skills and tactics. They still have plenty to learn. Coaching styles at the older ages may be more hands off but they still need coaching to advance.


    Agree, I just use a different word . They still need developement and managing , not coaching.

    True10

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  True10 on Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:35 am

    It depends on what your son responds to.

    He might respond better to coach that is very structured and is constantly "coaching" every second of a practice or game via yelling or lectures.

    Some respond better to coaches that say it once let them go on their merry way and hope the player gets the point and improves.

    Some to the coach that yells in a bad foreign accent that no one understands and freaks out at every misstep and curses everyone in ear shot.

    I think that at this age both Suarez and Kunitz do a good with the kids. A good coach has his team playing loose and free with few mistake technically and tactically.

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  The German on Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:39 am

    True10 wrote:Some to the coach that yells in a bad foreign accent that no one understands and freaks out at every misstep and curses everyone in ear shot.

    lol!

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  plantit on Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:45 am

    True10 wrote:It depends on what your son responds to.

    He might respond better to coach that is very structured and is constantly "coaching" every second of a practice or game via yelling or lectures.

    Some respond better to coaches that say it once let them go on their merry way and hope the player gets the point and improves.

    Some to the coach that yells in a bad foreign accent that no one understands and freaks out at every misstep and curses everyone in ear shot.

    I think that at this age both Suarez and Kunitz do a good with the kids. A good coach has his team playing loose and free with few mistake technically and tactically.



    And a good coach will figure out how the player responds . Then manage how to address that player and develope him/her

    Tequilapark

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  Tequilapark on Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:29 pm

    My son played 3 years for Suarez, not only is he a great coach, he is also a positive influence on his players, talks to them about the importance of school and cares about their well-being on and off the field.

    omega striker

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  omega striker on Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:57 pm

    Tequilapark wrote:My son played 3 years for Suarez, not only is he a great coach, he is also a positive influence on his players, talks to them about the importance of school and cares about their well-being on and off the field.
    agreed cheers

    omega striker

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  omega striker on Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:57 pm

    EastTexasSoccer wrote:I've heard a lot of good things about Irving Elite's coach...
    like what? hes a good recruiter? confused

    EastTexasSoccer

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  EastTexasSoccer on Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:08 pm

    A good recruiter he may be...but please note the team had to start out somewhere and with some players @ some point. A great player is not going to go to a sub-par independent team w/out looking @ the coach. I agree; a great roster of players will attract other players, but the IE initial roster started somewhere.

    Just sayin...

    omega striker

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  omega striker on Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:11 pm

    EastTexasSoccer wrote:A good recruiter he may be...but please note the team had to start out somewhere and with some players @ some point. A great player is not going to go to a sub-par independent team w/out looking @ the coach. I agree; a great roster of players will attract other players, but the IE initial roster started somewhere.

    Just sayin...
    so then what do you call the coaches that started off in D1? scratch

    True10

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  True10 on Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:34 pm

    Tequilapark wrote:My son played 3 years for Suarez, not only is he a great coach, he is also a positive influence on his players, talks to them about the importance of school and cares about their well-being on and off the field.


    Correct sir you are.

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  True10 on Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:48 pm

    omega striker wrote:
    EastTexasSoccer wrote:A good recruiter he may be...but please note the team had to start out somewhere and with some players @ some point. A great player is not going to go to a sub-par independent team w/out looking @ the coach. I agree; a great roster of players will attract other players, but the IE initial roster started somewhere.

    Just sayin...
    so then what do you call the coaches that started off in D1? scratch


    Better recruiter earlier Laughing

    IE is nothing like the team that passed up qualifying to go to the APL. Winning helps recruiting and you only have to beat the competition in your division. Some D3 talent and APL will win APL. Mix some D2 talent in with D3 players you win D3. Add some D1 talent to a solid D2 group and win D2. Now you have a D1 team with a low cost and PL spot. Shave off the bottom of your roster and add some more D1 kids and allow the kids to play HS sports and the team starts to recruit itself. D1 is now watered down and a CL championship is in store. They do not have to play FCD, DTR, AR, AW or SR of last year.

    Good coach maybe. Smart patient and a good recruiter for sure.

    treefrog13

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  treefrog13 on Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:44 pm

    True10 wrote:
    omega striker wrote:
    EastTexasSoccer wrote:A good recruiter he may be...but please note the team had to start out somewhere and with some players @ some point. A great player is not going to go to a sub-par independent team w/out looking @ the coach. I agree; a great roster of players will attract other players, but the IE initial roster started somewhere.

    Just sayin...
    so then what do you call the coaches that started off in D1? scratch


    Better recruiter earlier Laughing

    IE is nothing like the team that passed up qualifying to go to the APL. Winning helps recruiting and you only have to beat the competition in your division. Some D3 talent and APL will win APL. Mix some D2 talent in with D3 players you win D3. Add some D1 talent to a solid D2 group and win D2. Now you have a D1 team with a low cost and PL spot. Shave off the bottom of your roster and [i][i]add some more D1 kids and allow the kids to play HS sports and the team starts to recruit itself. D1 is now watered down and a CL championship is in store. They do not have to play FCD, DTR, AR, AW or SR of last year.[/i][/i]
    Good coach maybe. Smart patient and a good recruiter for sure.



    Bingo!..To be fair, they also did well against last year's AR, AW in winter tourney. Numbers say they would have been midpack even before pre-academy exodus, but as you say, a very good team that allows other HS activities is gold!

    97MAN

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  97MAN on Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:03 am

    treefrog13 wrote:
    True10 wrote:
    omega striker wrote:
    EastTexasSoccer wrote:A good recruiter he may be...but please note the team had to start out somewhere and with some players @ some point. A great player is not going to go to a sub-par independent team w/out looking @ the coach. I agree; a great roster of players will attract other players, but the IE initial roster started somewhere.

    Just sayin...
    so then what do you call the coaches that started off in D1? scratch


    Better recruiter earlier Laughing

    IE is nothing like the team that passed up qualifying to go to the APL. Winning helps recruiting and you only have to beat the competition in your division. Some D3 talent and APL will win APL. Mix some D2 talent in with D3 players you win D3. Add some D1 talent to a solid D2 group and win D2. Now you have a D1 team with a low cost and PL spot. Shave off the bottom of your roster and [i][i]add some more D1 kids and allow the kids to play HS sports and the team starts to recruit itself. D1 is now watered down and a CL championship is in store. They do not have to play FCD, DTR, AR, AW or SR of last year.[/i][/i]
    Good coach maybe. Smart patient and a good recruiter for sure.



    Bingo!..To be fair, they also did well against last year's AR, AW in winter tourney. Numbers say they would have been midpack even before pre-academy exodus, but as you say, a very good team that allows other HS activities is gold!
    Come on guys this coach is not any different then any other D1 coach, yes he has added to his roster every year to make sure his team continues to improve, like any other coach would. Tree frog your right last year his D2 team beat several D1 teams like FCDB,AR,and AW, he also if I remember right tied DTR in the state cup, so TRUE10 for you to say that they don't have to play these teams, they did.


    I do agree that Jesse Suarez is a great coach and has had some kids on his team that has moved up, but lets remember just like the IE coach he has added to his roster every year to make his team better. At U12 some of his great talent came from the old OC United, So yes he is a good coach and a good recruiter, I believe all coaches have to be a good recruiter. Have you ever seen Hassan from Texans bring a team from the bottom to the top, no he takes over teams and builds on them, What is so wrong with that?

    Also TRUE10 for you to say that D1 is watered down, I disagree. My BB played in D1 last year as well as this year and he fells like the competition is still at a high level. Yes we are missing alot of the superstars from last year, but I just believe there are now new superstars that have taken there place and also could have played pre-academy but chose not to.


    plantit

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  plantit on Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:41 am

    97MAN wrote:
    treefrog13 wrote:
    True10 wrote:
    omega striker wrote:
    EastTexasSoccer wrote:A good recruiter he may be...but please note the team had to start out somewhere and with some players @ some point. A great player is not going to go to a sub-par independent team w/out looking @ the coach. I agree; a great roster of players will attract other players, but the IE initial roster started somewhere.

    Just sayin...
    so then what do you call the coaches that started off in D1? scratch


    Better recruiter earlier Laughing

    IE is nothing like the team that passed up qualifying to go to the APL. Winning helps recruiting and you only have to beat the competition in your division. Some D3 talent and APL will win APL. Mix some D2 talent in with D3 players you win D3. Add some D1 talent to a solid D2 group and win D2. Now you have a D1 team with a low cost and PL spot. Shave off the bottom of your roster and [i][i]add some more D1 kids and allow the kids to play HS sports and the team starts to recruit itself. D1 is now watered down and a CL championship is in store. They do not have to play FCD, DTR, AR, AW or SR of last year.[/i][/i]
    Good coach maybe. Smart patient and a good recruiter for sure.



    Bingo!..To be fair, they also did well against last year's AR, AW in winter tourney. Numbers say they would have been midpack even before pre-academy exodus, but as you say, a very good team that allows other HS activities is gold!
    Come on guys this coach is not any different then any other D1 coach, yes he has added to his roster every year to make sure his team continues to improve, like any other coach would. Tree frog your right last year his D2 team beat several D1 teams like FCDB,AR,and AW, he also if I remember right tied DTR in the state cup, so TRUE10 for you to say that they don't have to play these teams, they did.


    I do agree that Jesse Suarez is a great coach and has had some kids on his team that has moved up, but lets remember just like the IE coach he has added to his roster every year to make his team better. At U12 some of his great talent came from the old OC United, So yes he is a good coach and a good recruiter, I believe all coaches have to be a good recruiter. Have you ever seen Hassan from Texans bring a team from the bottom to the top, no he takes over teams and builds on them, What is so wrong with that?

    Also TRUE10 for you to say that D1 is watered down, I disagree. My BB played in D1 last year as well as this year and he fells like the competition is still at a high level. Yes we are missing alot of the superstars from last year, but I just believe there are now new superstars that have taken there place and also could have played pre-academy but chose not to.



    97.. Cannot compare beating teams in tournaments with guest players .. They didn't even play those teams in league play.Not to take anything away from I.E their good . I do not agree that jesse has added to make his team better . He has mearly added to fill holes left by those who have either moved on or moved up.The tell tale sign is that he loses players and can still keep his team playing at a high level. And yes he did gain a few when the 97 Boca team came over a few years back. I think 1 or 2 are left.He gets and retains players due to the fact that they respect him..

    omega striker

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  omega striker on Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:46 am

    plantit wrote:
    97MAN wrote:
    treefrog13 wrote:
    True10 wrote:
    omega striker wrote:
    EastTexasSoccer wrote:A good recruiter he may be...but please note the team had to start out somewhere and with some players @ some point. A great player is not going to go to a sub-par independent team w/out looking @ the coach. I agree; a great roster of players will attract other players, but the IE initial roster started somewhere.

    Just sayin...
    so then what do you call the coaches that started off in D1? scratch


    Better recruiter earlier Laughing

    IE is nothing like the team that passed up qualifying to go to the APL. Winning helps recruiting and you only have to beat the competition in your division. Some D3 talent and APL will win APL. Mix some D2 talent in with D3 players you win D3. Add some D1 talent to a solid D2 group and win D2. Now you have a D1 team with a low cost and PL spot. Shave off the bottom of your roster and [i][i]add some more D1 kids and allow the kids to play HS sports and the team starts to recruit itself. D1 is now watered down and a CL championship is in store. They do not have to play FCD, DTR, AR, AW or SR of last year.[/i][/i]
    Good coach maybe. Smart patient and a good recruiter for sure.



    Bingo!..To be fair, they also did well against last year's AR, AW in winter tourney. Numbers say they would have been midpack even before pre-academy exodus, but as you say, a very good team that allows other HS activities is gold!
    Come on guys this coach is not any different then any other D1 coach, yes he has added to his roster every year to make sure his team continues to improve, like any other coach would. Tree frog your right last year his D2 team beat several D1 teams like FCDB,AR,and AW, he also if I remember right tied DTR in the state cup, so TRUE10 for you to say that they don't have to play these teams, they did.


    I do agree that Jesse Suarez is a great coach and has had some kids on his team that has moved up, but lets remember just like the IE coach he has added to his roster every year to make his team better. At U12 some of his great talent came from the old OC United, So yes he is a good coach and a good recruiter, I believe all coaches have to be a good recruiter. Have you ever seen Hassan from Texans bring a team from the bottom to the top, no he takes over teams and builds on them, What is so wrong with that?

    Also TRUE10 for you to say that D1 is watered down, I disagree. My BB played in D1 last year as well as this year and he fells like the competition is still at a high level. Yes we are missing alot of the superstars from last year, but I just believe there are now new superstars that have taken there place and also could have played pre-academy but chose not to.



    97.. Cannot compare beating teams in tournaments with guest players .. They didn't even play those teams in league play.Not to take anything away from I.E their good . I do not agree that jesse has added to make his team better . He has mearly added to fill holes left by those who have either moved on or moved up.The tell tale sign is that he loses players and can still keep his team playing at a high level. And yes he did gain a few when the 97 Boca team came over a few years back. I think 1 or 2 are left.He gets and retains players due to the fact that they respect him..
    well said sir! cheers

    You talking to me?

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  You talking to me? on Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:12 pm

    plantit wrote:
    97MAN wrote:
    treefrog13 wrote:
    True10 wrote:
    omega striker wrote:
    EastTexasSoccer wrote:A good recruiter he may be...but please note the team had to start out somewhere and with some players @ some point. A great player is not going to go to a sub-par independent team w/out looking @ the coach. I agree; a great roster of players will attract other players, but the IE initial roster started somewhere.

    Just sayin...
    so then what do you call the coaches that started off in D1? scratch


    Better recruiter earlier Laughing

    IE is nothing like the team that passed up qualifying to go to the APL. Winning helps recruiting and you only have to beat the competition in your division. Some D3 talent and APL will win APL. Mix some D2 talent in with D3 players you win D3. Add some D1 talent to a solid D2 group and win D2. Now you have a D1 team with a low cost and PL spot. Shave off the bottom of your roster and [i][i]add some more D1 kids and allow the kids to play HS sports and the team starts to recruit itself. D1 is now watered down and a CL championship is in store. They do not have to play FCD, DTR, AR, AW or SR of last year.[/i][/i]
    Good coach maybe. Smart patient and a good recruiter for sure.



    Bingo!..To be fair, they also did well against last year's AR, AW in winter tourney. Numbers say they would have been midpack even before pre-academy exodus, but as you say, a very good team that allows other HS activities is gold!
    Come on guys this coach is not any different then any other D1 coach, yes he has added to his roster every year to make sure his team continues to improve, like any other coach would. Tree frog your right last year his D2 team beat several D1 teams like FCDB,AR,and AW, he also if I remember right tied DTR in the state cup, so TRUE10 for you to say that they don't have to play these teams, they did.


    I do agree that Jesse Suarez is a great coach and has had some kids on his team that has moved up, but lets remember just like the IE coach he has added to his roster every year to make his team better. At U12 some of his great talent came from the old OC United, So yes he is a good coach and a good recruiter, I believe all coaches have to be a good recruiter. Have you ever seen Hassan from Texans bring a team from the bottom to the top, no he takes over teams and builds on them, What is so wrong with that?

    Also TRUE10 for you to say that D1 is watered down, I disagree. My BB played in D1 last year as well as this year and he fells like the competition is still at a high level. Yes we are missing alot of the superstars from last year, but I just believe there are now new superstars that have taken there place and also could have played pre-academy but chose not to.



    97.. Cannot compare beating teams in tournaments with guest players .. They didn't even play those teams in league play.Not to take anything away from I.E their good . I do not agree that jesse has added to make his team better . He has mearly added to fill holes left by those who have either moved on or moved up.The tell tale sign is that he loses players and can still keep his team playing at a high level. And yes he did gain a few when the 97 Boca team came over a few years back. I think 1 or 2 are left.He gets and retains players due to the fact that they respect him..


    A. Pelaes is a great coach, personally.
    O yeah, Plantit, Im beginning to think that you're hating on IE'S coach. I dont recall this team using guest players, only one from DTR who didnt make any difference really

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  eagle on Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:22 pm

    plantit wrote:
    97MAN wrote:
    treefrog13 wrote:
    True10 wrote:
    omega striker wrote:
    EastTexasSoccer wrote:A good recruiter he may be...but please note the team had to start out somewhere and with some players @ some point. A great player is not going to go to a sub-par independent team w/out looking @ the coach. I agree; a great roster of players will attract other players, but the IE initial roster started somewhere.

    Just sayin...
    so then what do you call the coaches that started off in D1? scratch


    Better recruiter earlier Laughing

    IE is nothing like the team that passed up qualifying to go to the APL. Winning helps recruiting and you only have to beat the competition in your division. Some D3 talent and APL will win APL. Mix some D2 talent in with D3 players you win D3. Add some D1 talent to a solid D2 group and win D2. Now you have a D1 team with a low cost and PL spot. Shave off the bottom of your roster and [i][i]add some more D1 kids and allow the kids to play HS sports and the team starts to recruit itself. D1 is now watered down and a CL championship is in store. They do not have to play FCD, DTR, AR, AW or SR of last year.[/i][/i]
    Good coach maybe. Smart patient and a good recruiter for sure.



    Bingo!..To be fair, they also did well against last year's AR, AW in winter tourney. Numbers say they would have been midpack even before pre-academy exodus, but as you say, a very good team that allows other HS activities is gold!
    Come on guys this coach is not any different then any other D1 coach, yes he has added to his roster every year to make sure his team continues to improve, like any other coach would. Tree frog your right last year his D2 team beat several D1 teams like FCDB,AR,and AW, he also if I remember right tied DTR in the state cup, so TRUE10 for you to say that they don't have to play these teams, they did.


    I do agree that Jesse Suarez is a great coach and has had some kids on his team that has moved up, but lets remember just like the IE coach he has added to his roster every year to make his team better. At U12 some of his great talent came from the old OC United, So yes he is a good coach and a good recruiter, I believe all coaches have to be a good recruiter. Have you ever seen Hassan from Texans bring a team from the bottom to the top, no he takes over teams and builds on them, What is so wrong with that?

    Also TRUE10 for you to say that D1 is watered down, I disagree. My BB played in D1 last year as well as this year and he fells like the competition is still at a high level. Yes we are missing alot of the superstars from last year, but I just believe there are now new superstars that have taken there place and also could have played pre-academy but chose not to.



    97.. Cannot compare beating teams in tournaments with guest players .. They didn't even play those teams in league play.Not to take anything away from I.E their good . I do not agree that jesse has added to make his team better . He has mearly added to fill holes left by those who have either moved on or moved up.The tell tale sign is that he loses players and can still keep his team playing at a high level. And yes he did gain a few when the 97 Boca team came over a few years back. I think 1 or 2 are left.He gets and retains players due to the fact that they respect him..


    I think the fact the coach has been successful under the Irving Elite banner is a bit more impressive than doing it for FC Dallas recruiting machine. Plus when you consider the fact that Elite is in first place, I think you have to give the coach his due.

    Not to say Jesse is not a top coach, as my 97 has struggled to defeat his teams through the years. But to Jesse's credit, he always seems to find a way to have a few top notch players on his teams, whether it be in tournaments or league play.

    97MAN

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  97MAN on Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:01 pm

    plantit wrote:
    97MAN wrote:
    treefrog13 wrote:
    True10 wrote:
    omega striker wrote:
    EastTexasSoccer wrote:A good recruiter he may be...but please note the team had to start out somewhere and with some players @ some point. A great player is not going to go to a sub-par independent team w/out looking @ the coach. I agree; a great roster of players will attract other players, but the IE initial roster started somewhere.

    Just sayin...
    so then what do you call the coaches that started off in D1? scratch


    Better recruiter earlier Laughing

    IE is nothing like the team that passed up qualifying to go to the APL. Winning helps recruiting and you only have to beat the competition in your division. Some D3 talent and APL will win APL. Mix some D2 talent in with D3 players you win D3. Add some D1 talent to a solid D2 group and win D2. Now you have a D1 team with a low cost and PL spot. Shave off the bottom of your roster and [i][i]add some more D1 kids and allow the kids to play HS sports and the team starts to recruit itself. D1 is now watered down and a CL championship is in store. They do not have to play FCD, DTR, AR, AW or SR of last year.[/i][/i]
    Good coach maybe. Smart patient and a good recruiter for sure.



    Bingo!..To be fair, they also did well against last year's AR, AW in winter tourney. Numbers say they would have been midpack even before pre-academy exodus, but as you say, a very good team that allows other HS activities is gold!
    Come on guys this coach is not any different then any other D1 coach, yes he has added to his roster every year to make sure his team continues to improve, like any other coach would. Tree frog your right last year his D2 team beat several D1 teams like FCDB,AR,and AW, he also if I remember right tied DTR in the state cup, so TRUE10 for you to say that they don't have to play these teams, they did.


    I do agree that Jesse Suarez is a great coach and has had some kids on his team that has moved up, but lets remember just like the IE coach he has added to his roster every year to make his team better. At U12 some of his great talent came from the old OC United, So yes he is a good coach and a good recruiter, I believe all coaches have to be a good recruiter. Have you ever seen Hassan from Texans bring a team from the bottom to the top, no he takes over teams and builds on them, What is so wrong with that?

    Also TRUE10 for you to say that D1 is watered down, I disagree. My BB played in D1 last year as well as this year and he fells like the competition is still at a high level. Yes we are missing alot of the superstars from last year, but I just believe there are now new superstars that have taken there place and also could have played pre-academy but chose not to.



    97.. Cannot compare beating teams in tournaments with guest players .. They didn't even play those teams in league play.Not to take anything away from I.E their good . I do not agree that jesse has added to make his team better . He has mearly added to fill holes left by those who have either moved on or moved up.The tell tale sign is that he loses players and can still keep his team playing at a high level. And yes he did gain a few when the 97 Boca team came over a few years back. I think 1 or 2 are left.He gets and retains players due to the fact that they respect him..
    Plantit you are right maybe they did have some guest players in tournaments I don't know, I was just making a point to True10's comment that classic league is watered down and they didn't have to play these teams last year. I do believe even with the team they had last year they would have done well. Every team turns over players every year to make them selves better or to fill in holes.

    As for Jesse your right he does fill in holes every year because of kids moving up in the FCD system and I think that's great (kuddos to him) personally I think he's a good coach look at what he has done, all these years in D1 with a very competitive team every year.

    I never said IE's coach was a great coach, personally I don't know him and don't know his back round. All I was doing was saying he only does what all other top coaches do and that's try and find a way to make his team better. My BB played against this team and I do like they way they play and do believe they deserve to be on top of D1. Also I do give him credit for coming up all the way from PPL to CL D1, every year winning there division and also winning a bid into the Dallas Cup, so I do say congrats. Tell me a team and coach that has done that?

    I'm just surprised one of the big 4 hasn't picked this team up.....


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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  EastTexasSoccer on Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:35 pm

    From what I understand one of the BIG 4 did try to pick them up (or do a hostile takeover)...whatever you want to call it.

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  Zorro on Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:14 pm

    another vote for suarez he has evolved as years have gone bye and doesnt get the pick of the litter like alot of other coaches have had and he isnt even a good recruiter at all, those players just come his way and is a great motivator and has promoted many players to higher levels in FCD kudos to him.

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  True10 on Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:20 pm

    Solar did try to pick up the team a year or two ago but that never happened.

    97MAN you are correct they did play some of the better teams in D1 last but they did not play those teams week in and week out in a league schedule which is quite different than in a tourney. But yes they did do well against those teams they played.

    Not surprised they are on top of D1 this year. They are the best team.

    D1 has some kids that are pre-academy level but more pre-academy type players left last year than stayed. Less talent same number of teams, watered down. D2 teams moving up with basically the same players. Seems watered downed to me still competitive but watered down.

    clueless

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  clueless on Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:16 pm

    True10 wrote:Solar did try to pick up the team a year or two ago but that never happened.

    97MAN you are correct they did play some of the better teams in D1 last but they did not play those teams week in and week out in a league schedule which is quite different than in a tourney. But yes they did do well against those teams they played.

    Not surprised they are on top of D1 this year. They are the best team.

    D1 has some kids that are pre-academy level but more pre-academy type players left last year than stayed. Less talent same number of teams, watered down. D2 teams moving up with basically the same players. Seems watered downed to me still competitive but watered down.


    Totally agree - it's more competitive, but definitely watered down. I don't think the D1 teams of this season could fair as well at Disney or Dallas Cup - from what I've seen, I think they'd struggle as far as the middle and defensive speed (look at the amount of goals being scored this year, that tells you something).

    Agree with the Jessie speak, he's always been a feeder for premier and has managed to put together competitive teams every year. I.E., as I predicted, is the top team this year - no surprise - I think they were between 3-6 in last year's D1 as far as talent goes. They do suffer the same thing as AR/AW/SR did last year in that you never know when they will lay an egg against someone they should soundly defeat. IMO, AR/AW/SR got a heckuva lot out of their teams due to superior coaching. I don't know that the talent was that deep but the coaches could give any and every team a go with some consistency (not entirely).

    From our former parents, I've heard rave reviews for Molina - they really like him, his coaching, his demands on the team, positive reinforcement. One thing that strikes me is that each week, the players have to earn spots on the roster for that weekend. That makes every practice better and the kids focus more. This was the very thing Pete Carroll did for USC as far as recruiting those kids that wanted to prove that they were the best and become even better.

    http://www.teamsportcoaching.com/importance-of-practice-pete-carroll/

    http://hoopthoughts.blogspot.com/2010/08/pete-carrolls-approach-to-practice.html

    FYI - Josema's practices were superb, heard many other coaches who witnessed them say they were very impressed with them as well.

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  plantit on Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:25 pm

    You talking to me? wrote:
    plantit wrote:
    97MAN wrote:
    treefrog13 wrote:
    True10 wrote:
    omega striker wrote:
    EastTexasSoccer wrote:A good recruiter he may be...but please note the team had to start out somewhere and with some players @ some point. A great player is not going to go to a sub-par independent team w/out looking @ the coach. I agree; a great roster of players will attract other players, but the IE initial roster started somewhere.

    Just sayin...
    so then what do you call the coaches that started off in D1? scratch


    Better recruiter earlier Laughing

    IE is nothing like the team that passed up qualifying to go to the APL. Winning helps recruiting and you only have to beat the competition in your division. Some D3 talent and APL will win APL. Mix some D2 talent in with D3 players you win D3. Add some D1 talent to a solid D2 group and win D2. Now you have a D1 team with a low cost and PL spot. Shave off the bottom of your roster and [i][i]add some more D1 kids and allow the kids to play HS sports and the team starts to recruit itself. D1 is now watered down and a CL championship is in store. They do not have to play FCD, DTR, AR, AW or SR of last year.[/i][/i]
    Good coach maybe. Smart patient and a good recruiter for sure.



    Bingo!..To be fair, they also did well against last year's AR, AW in winter tourney. Numbers say they would have been midpack even before pre-academy exodus, but as you say, a very good team that allows other HS activities is gold!
    Come on guys this coach is not any different then any other D1 coach, yes he has added to his roster every year to make sure his team continues to improve, like any other coach would. Tree frog your right last year his D2 team beat several D1 teams like FCDB,AR,and AW, he also if I remember right tied DTR in the state cup, so TRUE10 for you to say that they don't have to play these teams, they did.


    I do agree that Jesse Suarez is a great coach and has had some kids on his team that has moved up, but lets remember just like the IE coach he has added to his roster every year to make his team better. At U12 some of his great talent came from the old OC United, So yes he is a good coach and a good recruiter, I believe all coaches have to be a good recruiter. Have you ever seen Hassan from Texans bring a team from the bottom to the top, no he takes over teams and builds on them, What is so wrong with that?

    Also TRUE10 for you to say that D1 is watered down, I disagree. My BB played in D1 last year as well as this year and he fells like the competition is still at a high level. Yes we are missing alot of the superstars from last year, but I just believe there are now new superstars that have taken there place and also could have played pre-academy but chose not to.



    97.. Cannot compare beating teams in tournaments with guest players .. They didn't even play those teams in league play.Not to take anything away from I.E their good . I do not agree that jesse has added to make his team better . He has mearly added to fill holes left by those who have either moved on or moved up.The tell tale sign is that he loses players and can still keep his team playing at a high level. And yes he did gain a few when the 97 Boca team came over a few years back. I think 1 or 2 are left.He gets and retains players due to the fact that they respect him..


    A. Pelaes is a great coach, personally.
    O yeah, Plantit, Im beginning to think that you're hating on IE'S coach. I dont recall this team using guest players, only one from DTR who didnt make any difference really


    Chill there TEX. I'm not hating on him , I don't even know the guys name.

    Guest players ??? PULEEZ, I.E ,tigres , tigres , I.E. does it matter? I.E dumps to Tigres 4-0 to help them in D/C , No there's no relationship there.

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    Re: Best 97 Coach???

    Post  showurright on Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:08 pm

    I don’t think that there is any team in d1 or any coach in d1 that would put his players on the pitch to lose!!! Watered down???? Maybe your team is!!! But there r good teams out there like IE and Fc Dallas central. This is y there in 1ts and 2d place. This is also y u r on here hating on teams, players and coaches u don’t even know!!! I do believe that ALL 10 TEAMS in d1 play to win!!! And if u DONT then u need to go back to rec soccer! Cus like the great Ricky bobby says IF YOU’RE NOT FRIST YOU’RE LAST!!!!

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