I think we have had this in NTX soccer. one this year from older boys Classic League - out of Garland if my memory is right.

I know the rec leagues in NTX have had a few also.

We are not immune. You are not crazy.

and another reason to stay away from coaches and organizations that try to keep parents away from watching practices etc.

I actually just do something revolutionary, I watch my kid. I am there at the practices, games, activities etc. For all of the background checking, I am sure child molestation is not going to come out.

anselansel wrote:and another reason to stay away from coaches and organizations that try to keep parents away from watching practices etc.

You said it not me but I was definitely thinking about the Texans and ross stewart. Would have been pulling my kid but I am probably in the minority. Besides it's the Texans. You can trust them right?

Any arrest on record comes up on the NTX background check and flags a person trying to get a coaching clearance. I have known of people with 20 year old college indescretions such as disturbing the peace, public intoxication, etc., that had a hard time getting clearance. I agree with go on this. Watch your kid and be wary of any coach that does not have the sense to never be alone with a player.

"but I am probably in the minority"

common sense is often in the minority.......

go99 wrote:

anselansel wrote:and another reason to stay away from coaches and organizations that try to keep parents away from watching practices etc.

You said it not me but I was definitely thinking about the Texans and ross stewart. Would have been pulling my kid but I am probably in the minority. Besides it's the Texans. You can trust them right?

In defense of the Texans, they request and allow a representative adult at every Ross Stewart practice. Most of the times it is the team manager, but if they aren't there, it can be any other representative parent. The kids aren't ever completely alone with a coach or coaches during practice.

But this does go on in other sports and at different levels. My oldest boy plays high school baseball, and the coach doesn't allow parents to attend practice. He doesn't want a bunch of know-it-all parents sitting along the fence line, and I'm fine with it. Of course, I know the coach well and have complete trust in him as a honorable man.

go99 wrote:

anselansel wrote:and another reason to stay away from coaches and organizations that try to keep parents away from watching practices etc.

You said it not me but I was definitely thinking about the Texans and ross stewart. Would have been pulling my kid but I am probably in the minority. Besides it's the Texans. You can trust them right?

C'mon GO lets not go to extremes now. For starters though you can not enter Ross Stewart (which I don't agree with for the record), you can watch just about any practice you want from a distance or right up close depending on where they practice. And it's not like you have one team practicing in a dark alley somewhere, what exactly do you think will go on? There are many teams and coaches practicing at the same time. You gonna go to college with your bb too to protect him from all the loonies out there? And don't give me the they're still young approach, cause my kid comes home from school and teaches me a thing or two about what goes on out there.

moveyourfeet wrote:

go99 wrote:

anselansel wrote:and another reason to stay away from coaches and organizations that try to keep parents away from watching practices etc.

You said it not me but I was definitely thinking about the Texans and ross stewart. Would have been pulling my kid but I am probably in the minority. Besides it's the Texans. You can trust them right?

In defense of the Texans, they request and allow a representative adult at every Ross Stewart practice. Most of the times it is the team manager, but if they aren't there, it can be any other representative parent. The kids aren't ever completely alone with a coach or coaches during practice.

But this does go on in other sports and at different levels. My oldest boy plays high school baseball, and the coach doesn't allow parents to attend practice. He doesn't want a bunch of know-it-all parents sitting along the fence line, and I'm fine with it. Of course, I know the coach well and have complete trust in him as a honorable man.

I wonder how long the list is of people that thought the same thing about Paterno. One never knows.

When he goes to college he will be 18 and can take care of himself. For the record I am not accusing the texans of molestation. Well unless there is a really good kid that I am trying to recruit to BB's team. In that case all bets are off. . As far as complete trust in the coaches go, I am sure the parents of the penn state kid had that same trust. I am sure the peeping tom method works for some parents, I am sure others have full faith an confidence in their team manager and probably even more that will do whatever the club tells them. I am not among those and hope I never become that way. Beside it's not mostly "sexual" abuse you have to worry about at practices

Axxman wrote:

moveyourfeet wrote:

go99 wrote:

anselansel wrote:and another reason to stay away from coaches and organizations that try to keep parents away from watching practices etc.

You said it not me but I was definitely thinking about the Texans and ross stewart. Would have been pulling my kid but I am probably in the minority. Besides it's the Texans. You can trust them right?

In defense of the Texans, they request and allow a representative adult at every Ross Stewart practice. Most of the times it is the team manager, but if they aren't there, it can be any other representative parent. The kids aren't ever completely alone with a coach or coaches during practice.

But this does go on in other sports and at different levels. My oldest boy plays high school baseball, and the coach doesn't allow parents to attend practice. He doesn't want a bunch of know-it-all parents sitting along the fence line, and I'm fine with it. Of course, I know the coach well and have complete trust in him as a honorable man.

I wonder how long the list is of people that thought the same thing about Paterno. One never knows.

True dat.

We switched clubs this summer and did take a look at coaches and their backgrounds as best we could. It came as no surprise that we found a few coaches who looked to have quite an accomplished college playing resume, but when we checked the rosters and awards for the time frame listed, we were not able to find any information to back up what was listed. That said, the coaches seem to be very successful, but it sent up the red flags.It drives me crazy that people have to do that. If you can coach, you can coach and your results will speak for themselves. We are very happy where we ended up and feel good about our coach.
My wife, who coaches, had the problem but in reverse. She clearly listed where she played collegiately but the club put down the wrong University. She spent 4 months trying to get it changed as she did not want to be accused of lying.

Having coached youth basketball and high school football and lacrosse, I always put the safety and well being of the kids first. I was up front and honest about myself, our coaching staff and what we expected from the parents and their children. Never was one of our coaches to be alone with a child under any circumstances. I always looked at it as an honor to be trusted with someone elses child and I worked hard to not lose that trust and that is what I expect from my childs coach now.

Adult Caregiver should always keep watchful eye on larvae. Big, bad coach can always Huff and Puff if we no pay attention. NTSSA Criminal Background check required of all coaches and managers not always look for issues that exist in other states.

mothra wrote:Adult Caregiver should always keep watchful eye on larvae. Big, bad coach can always Huff and Puff if we no pay attention. NTSSA Criminal Background check required of all coaches and managers not always look for issues that exist in other states.

Other states..........how about other countries............why do you think they got out in the first place?

But this does go on in other sports and at different levels. My oldest boy plays high school baseball, and the coach doesn't allow parents to attend practice. He doesn't want a bunch of know-it-all parents sitting along the fence line, and I'm fine with it. Of course, I know the coach well and have complete trust in him as a honorable man.


anyone else see a tragedy in the making?

anselansel wrote:But this does go on in other sports and at different levels. My oldest boy plays high school baseball, and the coach doesn't allow parents to attend practice. He doesn't want a bunch of know-it-all parents sitting along the fence line, and I'm fine with it. Of course, I know the coach well and have complete trust in him as a honorable man.


anyone else see a tragedy in the making?

If you do some research, you will find that this is quite common in high school, and highly common in college in most sports.

As a youth coach myself, I would never close my practices or put myself in a situation to where a person could say anything
against me. I try and make sure I am protected as well as the kids I work with. But I could help these kids quite a bit more
with their skills and development if I could hand pick a few parents to ban from my practices. It's tough to coach with some
parents around that think they know what is best for their kid.

And, yes, I have had numerous conversations with those parents about this. They just are what they are, and in the long run,
they are detrimental to their kids and the team. Hopefully they will mature as the kids mature.

Soccerinsanity wrote:Not just from a parent's perspective either! Think of the reverse scenario:

A coach benches a bb, reason doesn't matter. Daddy gets mad, accuses coach of abuse. Because coach has "closed" practices, coach can't use other adults as witnesses to prove his innocence. What reason will hold up in front of a jury as reasonable for having excluded parents from practices?

Even if the jury finds the coach innocent, damage to his reputation is done!

If I do this, can I then get out of my contract.......?

What it comes down to for me is that we trust our coach with our kids, and I was more worried more about the unknown in rec than I am in academy soccer. I think watching the coach with the kids, and with his own kids, and keeping an eye out for anything strange is just being a parent these days. It really is pretty easy to verify a bio and discrepencies are sometimes glaring.

I believe it is our responsibility as parents to protect and to teach our kids how to protect themselves. I said protect, not be overbearing. Ultimately we as parents are training our kids to grow up and become ethical men and leaders. I strongly believe in checking the coaches background, talk with other parents and players that have played for him, go watch a practice, participate in a practice and watch him coach a game. Doing my due diligence.

With my BB's 00' coach, I had coached against him in some tourneys at a younger age, talked with players and parents, took him to a practice, etc. I involved my son in this process to teach him what to do in the future and that this is was an important decision financially, time commitment, for his soccer development and ultimately for him being happy and excited to continue playing soccer.

I coach and I think all practices should be open. Unfortunately, I believe this for liability issues and I enjoy watching my BB play and practice. I also learn from watching his coach with the boys at practice. It is up to the coach to set the standard by which the parents act. This is extremely difficult. I have found having an "open door" policy in which myself, as the coach, will actually listen. As we all know, most parents have their own version of their BB's talent level. There are times that as a coach I have banned parents from practice. With club soccer, we still have the opportunity after 6 mos. or a year to move somewhere else if we do not like our current situation.

Seinfeld4 ....A college bio is irrelevant to someone's moral fiber. Sandusky probably had a glowing bio along with being a Penn State football player. The State of Pennsylvania let him adopt and foster care children. He could pass a background check today. A background check is only going to identify a conviction. There are coaches AND managers who have immigrated here to NTX whose past cannot be accurately verified. There are US coaches and managers who could be doing the same things and haven't been caught and/or convicted. What good is verifying a bio...again I will reference Sandusky. Need I also mention the 'turn-your-back-when-you-see-a-boy-being-S*+#%*zed-by-another-coach'...as reported of assistant coach McQueary. So upstanding coaches with player bios do that too??? www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_jerry_sandus.html

Seinfeld...your coach didn't come to the states until college. By the way, what is with that squatting like a dog thing he does, for an entire game, on the sideline. I've heard he is an Aborigine, but it must be difficult for the players to see him on the sideline.

Sandusky probably didn't lie on his bio, and you still can't trust him.
McQueary probably didn't lie on his bio, and you still can't trust him.
Paterno is reveered for his accomplishments and you still can't trust him.
Your opinions are your own and are not necessarily based upon fact or reality.
But one thing for sure, you do like to hear yourself talk....just my opinion! Based upon your many posts!

My son plays for a man who has evolved into a human and stands up on his own strong legs. My son can accually benefit from his coaching because he can see him. It wasn't an attack...it is fact. An observation!

So a person cannot coach if he/she is not tall? I hope Messi does not want to coach once he retires from playing. Maybe Yao Ming is available?