I will preface this with yes my BB team was thoroughly whipped by Titans this weekend. I knew it was going to happen going into the game. No issues with that at all. Both my DD and BB have been on both sides of a thorough butt kicking. I also want to say I have no issue with the way the Titans players played or conducted themselves on the field. They are some talented players.

This is not about the fact that you entered a Tournament, HUSA Turkey Shoot, that is traditionally for much lower ranked teams than your top 10 D1 team. There are multiple reasons why you would enter a tournament like this and not play up a division. Not many legitimate ones but there are some out there.

Issue is with the way the game played out in the second half.
Up 6 to 0 at halftime Titans coach switches goalies and put a field player in goal. I am thinking “cool he is calling off the dogs and not going to let it get TOO bad out there. “ Boy was I wrong. The next thing I know Titans have a corner kick and their coach is telling the goalie to go get inside of our 18. Only reason to do when you already have a commanding lead is to embarrass the other team. Not only did the coach do this he continued to tell his goalie to go forward to the point to where he was playing in front of his defenders as a midfielder and dribbling around the top of our 18. Yes he did end up scoring 2 goals.

Yes I know Sporting did the same thing as Titans this weekend entering the tournament. We got our butt’s whipped by them as well. BIG difference is the way the coach of Sporting coached the game. Honestly I was glad to see that Sporting beat Titans both times they played this weekend.

Guess the titans coach was enjoying a big win while he could actually get one. Like you said, good he lost.

go99 wrote:Guess the titans coach was enjoying a big win while he could actually get one. Like you said, good he lost.

The Titans did lose to Sporting on Saturday 2-1 but I have looked at the results again and they won the tournament. Please double check the standings too if you want. I included the link too.

Final
SPORTING UNITED S.C. SPOR 0
TITANS FC TITANS WEST 01 1
http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?EventID=18785&ApplicationID=1230343

soccergirl11 wrote:

go99 wrote:Guess the titans coach was enjoying a big win while he could actually get one. Like you said, good he lost.

The Titans did lose to Sporting on Saturday 2-1 but I have looked at the results again and they won the tournament. Please double check the standings too if you want. I included the link too.

Final
SPORTING UNITED S.C. SPOR 0
TITANS FC TITANS WEST 01 1
http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?EventID=18785&ApplicationID=1230343

Sorry misread it the first time I saw it. I guess his coaching style against a Plano D3 team team paid off in the end. They won the trophy hunt.

barredor wrote:I will preface this with yes my BB team was thoroughly whipped by Titans this weekend. I knew it was going to happen going into the game. No issues with that at all. Both my DD and BB have been on both sides of a thorough butt kicking. I also want to say I have no issue with the way the Titans players played or conducted themselves on the field. They are some talented players.

This is not about the fact that you entered a Tournament, HUSA Turkey Shoot, that is traditionally for much lower ranked teams than your top 10 D1 team. There are multiple reasons why you would enter a tournament like this and not play up a division. Not many legitimate ones but there are some out there.

Issue is with the way the game played out in the second half.
Up 6 to 0 at halftime Titans coach switches goalies and put a field player in goal. I am thinking “cool he is calling off the dogs and not going to let it get TOO bad out there. “ Boy was I wrong. The next thing I know Titans have a corner kick and their coach is telling the goalie to go get inside of our 18. Only reason to do when you already have a commanding lead is to embarrass the other team. Not only did the coach do this he continued to tell his goalie to go forward to the point to where he was playing in front of his defenders as a midfielder and dribbling around the top of our 18. Yes he did end up scoring 2 goals.

Yes I know Sporting did the same thing as Titans this weekend entering the tournament. We got our butt’s whipped by them as well. BIG difference is the way the coach of Sporting coached the game. Honestly I was glad to see that Sporting beat Titans both times they played this weekend.

Titans won the tournament against another Classic Div 1 team Sporting United. In classic league, Titans are ranked 7 th and Sporting United 9 th.

Both these teams should not have played the HUSA shoot out, yeah I will agree.

Sporting has better sportmanship etiquette than Titans, yes without a doubt.

Your son must have played for Dallas Black, Titans lost to Sporting 2 - 1 the previous night and took out their frustration on your team. Happens.

"Your son must have played for Dallas Black, Titans lost to Sporting 2 - 1 the previous night and took out their frustration on your team. Happens."


and here he is again folks the great enabler for dirty play and poor sportsmanship....rocketeer!

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Rocketeer wrote:

barredor wrote:I will preface this with yes my BB team was thoroughly whipped by Titans this weekend. I knew it was going to happen going into the game. No issues with that at all. Both my DD and BB have been on both sides of a thorough butt kicking. I also want to say I have no issue with the way the Titans players played or conducted themselves on the field. They are some talented players.

This is not about the fact that you entered a Tournament, HUSA Turkey Shoot, that is traditionally for much lower ranked teams than your top 10 D1 team. There are multiple reasons why you would enter a tournament like this and not play up a division. Not many legitimate ones but there are some out there.

Issue is with the way the game played out in the second half.
Up 6 to 0 at halftime Titans coach switches goalies and put a field player in goal. I am thinking “cool he is calling off the dogs and not going to let it get TOO bad out there. “ Boy was I wrong. The next thing I know Titans have a corner kick and their coach is telling the goalie to go get inside of our 18. Only reason to do when you already have a commanding lead is to embarrass the other team. Not only did the coach do this he continued to tell his goalie to go forward to the point to where he was playing in front of his defenders as a midfielder and dribbling around the top of our 18. Yes he did end up scoring 2 goals.

Yes I know Sporting did the same thing as Titans this weekend entering the tournament. We got our butt’s whipped by them as well. BIG difference is the way the coach of Sporting coached the game. Honestly I was glad to see that Sporting beat Titans both times they played this weekend.

Titans won the tournament against another Classic Div 1 team Sporting United. In classic league, Titans are ranked 7 th and Sporting United 9 th.

Both these teams should not have played the HUSA shoot out, yeah I will agree.

Sporting has better sportmanship etiquette than Titans, yes without a doubt.

Your son must have played for Dallas Black, Titans lost to Sporting 2 - 1 the previous night and took out their frustration on your team. Happens.

The 01 bracket ended up being between sporting and the Titans. That happens. They both are classic league teams and played each other well. If you knew you were not gonna win against them then why are you talking about how the team was coached. Does it matter?? From what I could tell he took out the goalkeeper and had another player play up . Would you of rather have him play lhis team normally and continue running the score up?

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Rocketeer wrote:

barredor wrote:I will preface this with yes my BB team was thoroughly whipped by Titans this weekend. I knew it was going to happen going into the game. No issues with that at all. Both my DD and BB have been on both sides of a thorough butt kicking. I also want to say I have no issue with the way the Titans players played or conducted themselves on the field. They are some talented players.

This is not about the fact that you entered a Tournament, HUSA Turkey Shoot, that is traditionally for much lower ranked teams than your top 10 D1 team. There are multiple reasons why you would enter a tournament like this and not play up a division. Not many legitimate ones but there are some out there.

Issue is with the way the game played out in the second half.
Up 6 to 0 at halftime Titans coach switches goalies and put a field player in goal. I am thinking “cool he is calling off the dogs and not going to let it get TOO bad out there. “ Boy was I wrong. The next thing I know Titans have a corner kick and their coach is telling the goalie to go get inside of our 18. Only reason to do when you already have a commanding lead is to embarrass the other team. Not only did the coach do this he continued to tell his goalie to go forward to the point to where he was playing in front of his defenders as a midfielder and dribbling around the top of our 18. Yes he did end up scoring 2 goals.

Yes I know Sporting did the same thing as Titans this weekend entering the tournament. We got our butt’s whipped by them as well. BIG difference is the way the coach of Sporting coached the game. Honestly I was glad to see that Sporting beat Titans both times they played this weekend.

Titans won the tournament against another Classic Div 1 team Sporting United. In classic league, Titans are ranked 7 th and Sporting United 9 th.

Both these teams should not have played the HUSA shoot out, yeah I will agree.

Sporting has better sportmanship etiquette than Titans, yes without a doubt.

Your son must have played for Dallas Black, Titans lost to Sporting 2 - 1 the previous night and took out their frustration on your team. Happens.

The 01 bracket ended up being between sporting and the Titans. That happens. They both are classic league teams and played each other well. If you knew you were not gonna win against them then why are you talking about how the team was coached. Does it matter?? From what I could tell he took out the goalkeeper and had another player play up . Would you of rather have him play lhis team normally and continue running the score up?

What he is saying is that there is a classy way to call off the dogs. He could do things like tell the goalie to stay in the box or tell his team to connect on 4 consecutive passes before shooting or any number of other things that would not have affected the outcome of the game. Does he have to.....hell no. You might think (or hope) a coach would do that as most of us have been on the + side and the minus side of a good ole' fashioned ass kicking. I have no clue who the coach is but situations like that show a coach's charachter. Its up to the parents on the team to decide if that is a product they want to pay for. Also, the other team (next time they play) could accidentally tackle from behind or come in boots up, etc. Things like this have a way of coming full circle in time.

At some point they should have stopped working on scoring and worked on their ability to control possesion. Nothing like a game situation to work on possesion. Call off the dogs and keep the ball. Even my DD's 04 coach will be on the sideline telling them over and over. "Just keep the ball"

"Your son must have played for Dallas Black, Titans lost to Sporting 2 - 1 the previous night and took out their frustration on your team. Happens."

Yes my BB plays for FCD Black.

"Would you of rather have him play lhis team normally and continue running the score up?"

Yes I would. I have no issue with being beaten by better teams. At least in normal formations the keeper stays on his end of the field. There are multiple ways to play in a blowout. But attacking like you are losing 1 to 0 in a Championship game when you have an 8 goal lead already is not one of them. It shows extremely poor sportsmanship and a lack of class by the coach.

"What he is saying is that there is a classy way to call off the dogs"

There was no calling off the dogs by this coach. He was doing this as if he had a personal axe to grind with our team. It was ridiculous.

go99 wrote:At some point they should have stopped working on scoring and worked on their ability to control possesion. Nothing like a game situation to work on possesion. Call off the dogs and keep the ball. Even my DD's 04 coach will be on the sideline telling them over and over. "Just keep the ball"

The best thing a team can do is to keep playing the opponent straight up. Don't employ silly tactics like playing 4 pass keep away, shoot with off foot, etc... that's a slap in the face of the opponent and frustrate them more. Playing gimmicks will only enhance the humiliation.

I think what the original poster was asking for is that the team play them straight up and if they still end up putting up more points, it's all good. The point about the Titans was that they gimmicked to get even more points. It's like telling your opponent not only can I humiliate you, I can beat you with my hands tied behind my back and blind folded.

They could have put back ups in key positions or just played straight up. These would be much more preferable to what actually transpired.

forget the other team, at some point your ability to hold the ball will matter. Seems like a great time to work on that. Like I said my DD's 04 team plays up and doesn't give up very many goals. They also rarely score over 5 goals. They will however string together 10 or more passes on you comfortably. Imagine when they go to select. The great barcelona didn't get that way by playing down in tournament and running up the score.

barredor wrote:I will preface this with yes my BB team was thoroughly whipped by Titans this weekend. I knew it was going to happen going into the game. No issues with that at all. Both my DD and BB have been on both sides of a thorough butt kicking. I also want to say I have no issue with the way the Titans players played or conducted themselves on the field. They are some talented players.

This is not about the fact that you entered a Tournament, HUSA Turkey Shoot, that is traditionally for much lower ranked teams than your top 10 D1 team. There are multiple reasons why you would enter a tournament like this and not play up a division. Not many legitimate ones but there are some out there.

Issue is with the way the game played out in the second half.
Up 6 to 0 at halftime Titans coach switches goalies and put a field player in goal. I am thinking “cool he is calling off the dogs and not going to let it get TOO bad out there. “ Boy was I wrong. The next thing I know Titans have a corner kick and their coach is telling the goalie to go get inside of our 18. Only reason to do when you already have a commanding lead is to embarrass the other team. Not only did the coach do this he continued to tell his goalie to go forward to the point to where he was playing in front of his defenders as a midfielder and dribbling around the top of our 18. Yes he did end up scoring 2 goals.

Yes I know Sporting did the same thing as Titans this weekend entering the tournament. We got our butt’s whipped by them as well. BIG difference is the way the coach of Sporting coached the game. Honestly I was glad to see that Sporting beat Titans both times they played this weekend.

Hopefully you used this as a teaching moment for your BB so that he understand that at some point the shoe will bo on the other foot and they should remember how it feels. These are the times to talk to your BB and let them know how much you love them and that soccer is not the most important thing in their world and how he should handle the situtation. When my BB was U9 he scored a goal to make it 6 -0 and ran around like an idiot, it was a prefet time to speak to him about sportsmanship, I can assure you he understands and has never done it since and has a greater respect for his opponents.

I have always taught my kid, your 3 goals are really not an achievement when your team is winning 5-0. Make sure and get some other teammates involved with a nice assist instead. Just get one goal when its a 0-0 game and then you've done something.

The track record and posts accordingly about this coach are endless, dating back to his club Sao Paulo and before.

I will start this post by saying that I have 2 kids playing for this coach. We joined his team this past the summer and have nothing but good things to say about him and his coaching methods. As a parent, I am extremely satisfied with him, the team and the Titans organization.

That being said, I think your post is highly exaggerated and tainted by the score of the game and your team's overall performance in the tournament. To every story there are 2 sides. When the coach switched goalies, it was in fact an attempt to keep the score as low as possible after the 6 - 0 half. His instructions were to play as an extra defender hence the dribbling. He did go up in one corner kick at the end of the game and scored a header. He did not score twice as you say in your post. I find it very hard to believe that you can hear the coach's instructions telling the boy to go up to your box sitting on the other side of the field. The coach also sat out many of the starting players not only in the second half, but also during much of the first half. I'm sorry you feel our team didn't do enough.

This tournament had 2 divisions set up for this age group, competitive and recreational. Just as you say our team should not enter this tournament because it is for lower ranked teams, your team should have entered the recreational division to play against teams of a lower level. You may call this tournament a traditionally lower ranked team tournament, but I can guarantee you that our team had to work very hard to beat a very solid Sporting United Team.

I can honestly tell you that the coach tried to keep the score as decent as possible. We tried the ball possession thing, the 4 passes before you score thing and the let the kids that usually don't score get a goal thing. In the end, these kids train hard to win as most kids do in competitive soccer.

[quote="barredor"]I will preface this with yes my BB team was thoroughly whipped by Titans this weekend. I knew it was going to happen going into the game. No issues with that at all. Both my DD and BB have been on both sides of a thorough butt kicking. I also want to say I have no issue with the way the Titans players played or conducted themselves on the field. They are some talented players.

This is not about the fact that you entered a Tournament, HUSA Turkey Shoot, that is traditionally for much lower ranked teams than your top 10 D1 team. There are multiple reasons why you would enter a tournament like this and not play up a division. Not many legitimate ones but there are some out there.

Issue is with the way the game played out in the second half.
Up 6 to 0 at halftime Titans coach switches goalies and put a field player in goal. I am thinking “cool he is calling off the dogs and not going to let it get TOO bad out there. “ Boy was I wrong. The next thing I know Titans have a corner kick and their coach is telling the goalie to go get inside of our 18. Only reason to do when you already have a commanding lead is to embarrass the other team. Not only did the coach do this he continued to tell his goalie to go forward to the point to where he was playing in front of his defenders as a midfielder and dribbling around the top of our 18. Yes he did end up scoring 2 goals.

Yes I know Sporting did the same thing as Titans this weekend entering the tournament. We got our butt’s whipped by them as well. BIG difference is the way the coach of Sporting coached the game. Honestly I was glad to see that Sporting beat Titans both times they played this weekend.
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What was the BIG difference between Sporting & Titans coaching? One goal! You Lost 9-1 to Sporting and 10-0 to Titans... I do not get it.

migue wrote:I will start this post by saying that I have 2 kids playing for this coach. We joined his team this past the summer and have nothing but good things to say about him and his coaching methods. As a parent, I am extremely satisfied with him, the team and the Titans organization.

That being said, I think your post is highly exaggerated and tainted by the score of the game and your team's overall performance in the tournament. To every story there are 2 sides. When the coach switched goalies, it was in fact an attempt to keep the score as low as possible after the 6 - 0 half. His instructions were to play as an extra defender hence the dribbling. He did go up in one corner kick at the end of the game and scored a header. He did not score twice as you say in your post. I find it very hard to believe that you can hear the coach's instructions telling the boy to go up to your box sitting on the other side of the field. The coach also sat out many of the starting players not only in the second half, but also during much of the first half. I'm sorry you feel our team didn't do enough.

This tournament had 2 divisions set up for this age group, competitive and recreational. Just as you say our team should not enter this tournament because it is for lower ranked teams, your team should have entered the recreational division to play against teams of a lower level. You may call this tournament a traditionally lower ranked team tournament, but I can guarantee you that our team had to work very hard to beat a very solid Sporting United Team.

I can honestly tell you that the coach tried to keep the score as decent as possible. We tried the ball possession thing, the 4 passes before you score thing and the let the kids that usually don't score get a goal thing. In the end, these kids train hard to win as most kids do in competitive soccer.

I agree with you. From what I heard he was trying hard to keep the score down and also in one of the other games he only played with 9 players. I think that when it came down to it this parent wasn't happy with anything that he tried to do to keep the score down. Having starters sit the bench, having no goalie and requiring them to pass the ball around a certain number of times wasn't enough. Just because you have the kid that is supposed to be playing goalie come up and be involved on a corner kick and he happens to score does not mean you are trying to drive the score up. Also considering they were up 6-0 and only scored 4 more goals when he did make the change says that he was trying to keep the score as low as possible.

What was the BIG difference between Sporting & Titans coaching? One goal! You Lost 9-1 to Sporting and 10-0 to Titans... I do not get it.

We lost 10-0 to both teams. HUSA has the scores wrong. Trust me we did not score on them. Scores were based on the fact that the other teams were that much better. Coaching has nothing to do with the score of these two games. Difference is the way the two teams went about playing in a blow out victory.

I can honestly tell you that the coach tried to keep the score as decent as possible.

If he was trying to keep the score down you do not pull you keeper into the oponents end of the field. How is putting extra attackers inside the oponents 18 doing everything you can to keep the score down?

I will start this post by saying that I have 2 kids playing for this coach. We joined his team this past the summer and have nothing but good things to say about him and his coaching methods. As a parent, I am extremely satisfied with him, the team and the Titans organization.

Were you happy when they started cursing at each other and other players and got into a fistfight when they lost to coppell in the afc tournament? A classless team with classless parents and a classless coach. At least they didn't spit on their hands this time when the game was over and shook hands with the other team......

[quote="barredor"]
What was the BIG difference between Sporting & Titans coaching? One goal! You Lost 9-1 to Sporting and 10-0 to Titans... I do not get it.

We lost 10-0 to both teams. HUSA has the scores wrong. Trust me we did not score on them. Scores were based on the fact that the other teams were that much better. Coaching has nothing to do with the score of these two games. Difference is the way the two teams went about playing in a blow out victory.

I can honestly tell you that the coach tried to keep the score as decent as possible.

If he was trying to keep the score down you do not pull you keeper into the oponents end of the field. How is putting extra attackers inside the oponents 18 doing everything you can to keep the score down? [/quote]

barredor, I still do not get it... What is the difference you saw?

When the keeper went to assist on the corner, 2 extra players had to stay in their side to cover for the lack of goalkeeper. I am surprised you did not mentioned that two titans boys were hurt by your team in illegal tackles…. I do not think these two boys went back to play on that game.

Also the players were moved to different positions to make the game more exiting for both teams, i.e. forwards were playing defense, defense was playing forward, no goalkeeper, starters were out… sorry you did not noticed the difference

Also the players were moved to different positions to make the game more exiting for both teams, i.e. forwards were playing defense, defense was playing forward, no goalkeeper, starters were out… sorry you did not noticed the difference

I did notice the difference. You played your goalie insider our attacking 3rd. Hard not to notice that. I am sure that was done by the coach to ensure that every effort was made on his part to keep the score down. Sorry but you cannot defend playing your goalie in the oponents attacking 3rd as good sportsmanship and that the coach was trying to keep the score down. If I was on the winning side of lopsided game and our coach did this I would have confronted him during the game and told him to stop it or get my son off the field.

soccerisgood123 wrote:I will start this post by saying that I have 2 kids playing for this coach. We joined his team this past the summer and have nothing but good things to say about him and his coaching methods. As a parent, I am extremely satisfied with him, the team and the Titans organization.

Were you happy when they started cursing at each other and other players and got into a fistfight when they lost to coppell in the afc tournament? A classless team with classless parents and a classless coach. At least they didn't spit on their hands this time when the game was over and shook hands with the other team......

What's your agenda Soccerisgood123, is it to vent your frustration?

Do you feel better now.

You make me miss B.T. Mason (lol).

Nope my agenda is to not let people like you create double standards and enable idiots to behave as they wish out of some wishy washy PC nonsense. Many of us are tired of explaining why some parents cheat at sports, curse in Spanish , have no sportsmanship and have to have police called to a 10 year olds soccer game.

seems to be some disagreement about what took place. I will say 4 passes is a joke. Any run of the mill team can pull off 4. How about you push the team to see how may the can do. I don't believe in making starters sit. It's not fair to those kids. One of the reasons my DD left rec was it was no fun. She would start off and run up a few quick goals and then spend the rest of the game sitting or playing soccer on the sideline with her brother because they were trying to keep the scores down. The starters want to play too. Just give them something else to accomplish other than scoring goals. They will need it if they plan to get any better. As far as the losing team goes, you take your beating as a learning experience. Look at the kids who give up and quit and those that keep fighting. One will make it further, the other will not. Adversity builds character.

soccerisgood123 seems to have a real problem with hispanic teams. Most of his 64 posts are hateful towards hispanics. I'll take all your comments as what you are, a closed minded racisst.

Regardless of what took place running up scores is poor coaching. The job of a coach is too continually improve both the team and the individual players. Running up a score means that the back line is either too slow or poorly organized. Letting the players just blow their doors in develops bad habits. Ball hogging, long ball, trying to get hat tricks instead of nice assists, all the typical things one sees in blow outs are the things that will cost a team a game against a quality opponent. Playing possession teaches tactics and skills that will win games against quality teams. The coach has a choice of taking something usefull from the game or letting it be a waste of time. Either way the losing team is going to be humiliated. A good coach will try to limit that and make it a learning experience for his team.

soccerisgood123 seems to have a real problem with hispanic teams. Most of his 64 posts are hateful towards hispanics. I'll take all your comments as what you are, a closed minded racisst.

ignore him, that's the best thing

go99 wrote:seems to be some disagreement about what took place. I will say 4 passes is a joke. Any run of the mill team can pull off 4. How about you push the team to see how may the can do. I don't believe in making starters sit. It's not fair to those kids. One of the reasons my DD left rec was it was no fun. She would start off and run up a few quick goals and then spend the rest of the game sitting or playing soccer on the sideline with her brother because they were trying to keep the scores down. The starters want to play too. Just give them something else to accomplish other than scoring goals. They will need it if they plan to get any better. As far as the losing team goes, you take your beating as a learning experience. Look at the kids who give up and quit and those that keep fighting. One will make it further, the other will not. Adversity builds character.

IMO there is nothing the coach could have done to make barredor happy. It's clear that the coach made several changes to his team to keep the score down. I'm sorry he feels the way he did it was unsportsmanlike.

There really is no easy way to make this right for the team on the loosing end. If the coach on the winning team instructs his players to try to get to 15 or 20 consecutive passes, that would generate a sense of mockery also. In the end, I think the kids should learn from every winning or loosing experience.

soccerisgood123 wrote:Nope my agenda is to not let people like you create double standards and enable idiots to behave as they wish out of some wishy washy PC nonsense. Many of us are tired of explaining why some parents cheat at sports, curse in Spanish , have no sportsmanship and have to have police called to a 10 year olds soccer game.

I wish I could curse/write/speak/understand spanish, unfortunately the only language I speak and write is English.
(I probably suck at that too)

I do not have a double standard in soccer, I love it all.

Parents and kids cheat in all sports, its universal, not limited to ethnicity or economics (as in rich or poor).

Who is this (many of us) ? Do you speak for a group?

All races my friend have good and bad people, stop lumping Spanish speaking people into a group. Take a look at the World Almanac and see the number of Spanish speaking countries.