Do all the clubs charge about the same amount for select soccer?

If you play for these clubs can you post what their select fee is or a close estimate:

- FC Dallas
- Solar
- Texans
- Livepool
- TFC
- Andromeda FC
- FC Premier
- Ayses
- Odyssey


UPDATED (does not include uniform kits or other fees like tournaments..etc.):
- FC Dallas $2,400+
- Odyssey $2,100+
- Texans $2,200+
- TFC $2,400+
- Solar - $2,800+
- Livepool $2,230+
- Andromeda FC $2,525+
- FC Premier around $1,500

- Ayses


Anyone have Ayses fees?

Odyssey $2150

FCD was $2500 last year

TFC $2400 plus $300 uniform

DTS $2200 plus $370 for the uniform

Uni was @$300 for FCD, too....except they are easy to find secondhand!

It's really not that simple, there are other costs involved.
What would be best is someone to collect the following information

- Fees
- Fundraisers (mandatory)
- Uniforms
- Tournaments (if any are included in the fees)
- Travel (this varies per team, if you are in premier league, pre-academy, if your team travels for tournaments)...

The fact sheets help somewhat, but it's never apples/apples.

Pretty much, I'd venture to guess approximately $2800-3200 is about what everyone will pay for
fees/uniform/tournaments without any travel.

I have a kid with Liverpool and Andro. I don't recall what our fees are, but they were both pretty similar. LP has two mandatory fundraisers. The uniforms were about $300-400, less for Andro as they went frugal with our team's uniform choice.

I've spent more in travel than for fees with hotels/flights/food - Orlando/San Diego/Memphis/Houston/OKC/Austin/Tulsa.

It's all fun, but it adds up. Price shouldn't be your determinant factor - it should be about fifth, IMO. If it's first, you probably shouldn't be playing select. Most costs are so similar, a simple practice location difference could eat up any fee differential.

newparent wrote:Do all the clubs charge about the same amount for select soccer?

If you play for these clubs can you post what their select fee is or a close estimate:

- FC Dallas
- Solar
- Texans
- Livepool
- TFC
- Andromeda FC
- FC Premier
- Ayses
- Odyssey

Here's the cost updates so far. Plus, about $300-$400 for a uniform kit.
- FC Dallas $2,400+
- Odyssey $2,100+
- Texans $2,200+
- TFC $2,400+

- Solar
- Livepool
- Andromeda FC
- FC Premier
- Ayses


Anyone have more fees for some of these other clubs?

Some posted that price should be a factor. I agree assuming everyone is around the same amount. But what about some of these smaller clubs like Ayses and FC Premier or Ando FC? Are these clubs less expensive?

Texans fees this year were $2800. I believe Solars fees were $2800 as well. Both of those didn't include uniforms or tournaments.

Do these prices include tournament fees? If not, about how much more do you pay during the year for tournaments?

Total cost for a year of select soccer is about $5k.

It also depends on how many players the coach has scholarshipped. A friend was telling me that a tournament was $45 per player, but for my team, it's $35. Same number of players but my team didn't scholarship like the other coach does---and no, those parents don't always realize that they are underwriting a large portion of the team. It's only when they compare with us that they realize....

Soccerinsanity wrote:It also depends on how many players the coach has scholarshipped. A friend was telling me that a tournament was $45 per player, but for my team, it's $35. Same number of players but my team didn't scholarship like the other coach does---and no, those parents don't always realize that they are underwriting a large portion of the team. It's only when they compare with us that they realize....

yea but wa that from the same club? maybe their more than yours?

I've seen it on both club fees and tourney. And I've seen it within the same clubs. There's even a club that didn't report in the form that there are any scholarships but I know for a fact that a kid is getting a scholarship and I suspect a second one might be.

Soccerinsanity wrote:I've seen it on both club fees and tourney. And I've seen it within the same clubs. There's even a club that didn't report in the form that there are any scholarships but I know for a fact that a kid is getting a scholarship and I suspect a second one might be.

then that would answer your question in the other thread

Anyone have any idea of what the coaches get...say out of a $2500 fee?

Half? A third?

Soccerinsanity wrote:I've seen it on both club fees and tourney. And I've seen it within the same clubs. There's even a club that didn't report in the form that there are any scholarships but I know for a fact that a kid is getting a scholarship and I suspect a second one might be.

That's dangerous for the team. Even though these aren't really contracts, having scholarships and not disclosing them would void them all.

Laimport wrote:Anyone have any idea of what the coaches get...say out of a $2500 fee?

Half? A third?

About half. You can figure $20K per team for a rough standard for a coach.

There are so many variables as mentioned.
Team Size, scholar shipped kids, location, skills, fundraisers, tournaments entered...
I think most clubs include some level of tournaments in their fees - except Texans/Solar as noted above.
I know for Liverpool we had approx 3 tournaments - depends on which tournaments, obviously.

I've been associated with teams that had a lot of scholarships (all paid by the club, not team), but the majority are always from the team or the coach's pocket. It's normally a very key contributor who is in need, obviously. If you are on some FCD teams - then, it's everyone!

That $5K sounds closer if $2800 doesn't include tournaments or uniforms, probably not fundraisers either.

For short weekend trips to Austin/Houston/OKC/Tulsa, it's probably a min $400 - assuming you don't share a room (with fuel/food/room). We usually take the whole family and make a vacation out of it.

A good rule of thumb, to save money, is to avoid any team that is a top team. You won't be tempted by the larger showcases/venues and it will cut costs down tremendously.

As this is a boys forum, most will not be playing in college, so, it's best to treat it as fun and a life experience as soon as you can and avoid the development/exposure to college coaches thoughts. Spending $5-10K per year for 7-8 years in hopes of a $2000 scholarship isn't a wise decision.

starbuck wrote:

Soccerinsanity wrote:I've seen it on both club fees and tourney. And I've seen it within the same clubs. There's even a club that didn't report in the form that there are any scholarships but I know for a fact that a kid is getting a scholarship and I suspect a second one might be.

That's dangerous for the team. Even though these aren't really contracts, having scholarships and not disclosing them would void them all.

Why would disclosing scholarships be required ? It is just another expense for the coach or club. I don't understand why so many people get hung up on it. You agree to pay a set price for a service. What that business or individual does with that money is their own business and no one elses. How many out there have heard of a club or coach announcing they are returning a portion of the fees because they did not have to scholarship anyone?

"Why would disclosing scholarships be required ? It is just another expense for the coach or club. I don't understand why so many people get hung up on it. You agree to pay a set price for a service. What that business or individual does with that money is their own business and no one elses. How many out there have heard of a club or coach announcing they are returning a portion of the fees because they did not have to scholarship anyone?"

I disagree with this. Imagine if everyone but you is getting a free ride, still willing to be the chump who pays full price?

clueless wrote:

Laimport wrote:Anyone have any idea of what the coaches get...say out of a $2500 fee?

Half? A third?

About half. You can figure $20K per team for a rough standard for a coach.

There are so many variables as mentioned.
Team Size, scholar shipped kids, location, skills, fundraisers, tournaments entered...
I think most clubs include some level of tournaments in their fees - except Texans/Solar as noted above.
I know for Liverpool we had approx 3 tournaments - depends on which tournaments, obviously.

I've been associated with teams that had a lot of scholarships (all paid by the club, not team), but the majority are always from the team or the coach's pocket. It's normally a very key contributor who is in need, obviously. If you are on some FCD teams - then, it's everyone!

That $5K sounds closer if $2800 doesn't include tournaments or uniforms, probably not fundraisers either.

For short weekend trips to Austin/Houston/OKC/Tulsa, it's probably a min $400 - assuming you don't share a room (with fuel/food/room). We usually take the whole family and make a vacation out of it.

A good rule of thumb, to save money, is to avoid any team that is a top team. You won't be tempted by the larger showcases/venues and it will cut costs down tremendously.

As this is a boys forum, most will not be playing in college, so, it's best to treat it as fun and a life experience as soon as you can and avoid the development/exposure to college coaches thoughts. Spending $5-10K per year for 7-8 years in hopes of a $2000 scholarship isn't a wise decision.

I agree with you that most of these kids will not play competitively past 18 years old, but a $2000 college scholarship is not the motivation for participating in the Club Soccer merry go round. I would love for my kids to have the chance to play in tournaments in Europe, South AMerica etc as they get older. I heard there was even some 01's last summer that trained oversees. That is a great life experience they will never forget. The scholarship idea is a very small afterthought in my family.

My feeling is that full disclosure is essential regarding scholarship players on the roster.

Why? Simple, soccer clubs are "nonprofit" entities. I'm not a CPA but I think legally they have to disclose this information.

Privately owned company? Then no explanation is required.

So, if a coach is making around 15-20K per team, and many coaches have 3 teams (some more) then they are making 50-60K a year...basically working part time. (15-20 hrs per week on average prorated on 12 months....not bad!)

With those kinds of fees and that kind of money for the coaches, it's no wonder why there's pressure to win. ("Justification")

I agree that playing high level club soccer for the sole purpose of a (mostly marginal...unless you have a national pool player at home)college scholarship is pretty damn lame.

On the other hand, the pursuit of excellence is always a good thing.

I disagree though that a lot of classic league caliber players COULD play college soccer. On some level. There are well over 1200 mens college soccer programs in this country.

Plenty of opportunities...even with the heavy influx of foreign players.

Laimport wrote:My feeling is that full disclosure is essential regarding scholarship players on the roster.

Why? Simple, soccer clubs are "nonprofit" entities. I'm not a CPA but I think legally they have to disclose this information.

Privately owned company? Then no explanation is required.

So, if a coach is making around 15-20K per team, and many coaches have 3 teams (some more) then they are making 50-60K a year...basically working part time. (15-20 hrs per week on average prorated on 12 months....not bad!)

With those kinds of fees and that kind of money for the coaches, it's no wonder why there's pressure to win. ("Justification")

I agree that playing high level club soccer for the sole purpose of a (mostly marginal...unless you have a national pool player at home)college scholarship is pretty damn lame.

On the other hand, the pursuit of excellence is always a good thing.

I disagree though that a lot of classic league caliber players COULD play college soccer. On some level. There are well over 1200 mens college soccer programs in this country.

Plenty of opportunities...even with the heavy influx of foreign players.

I heard someone claim the other day they added up the fees for a coach that had three or four teams and he could make 80-90K as a coach. Not bad money if you can get it. But you are right, it also turns the coaches into salesmen because their bottom line depends on it. Win, get more players, make more mulahhh. Lose, team falls apart, mulahh walks out the door....

Yup.

In the grand scheme of things, the team really isn't all that important anyway.

Not until at least 15 or 16. And even then only in the context of training and coaching. Not necessarily the highest 'ranked' team.

Does anyone have a number we should stick on these clubs:
- Livepool
- Andromeda FC
- FC Premier
- Ayses

Any other clubs to add?

soccerisgood123 wrote:"Why would disclosing scholarships be required ? It is just another expense for the coach or club. I don't understand why so many people get hung up on it. You agree to pay a set price for a service. What that business or individual does with that money is their own business and no one elses. How many out there have heard of a club or coach announcing they are returning a portion of the fees because they did not have to scholarship anyone?"

I disagree with this. Imagine if everyone but you is getting a free ride, still willing to be the chump who pays full price?

Also, for a team of normal size, the expense of scholarships is subsidized by the paying parents. It's certainly not going to be a cost to the club or the coach. It is supposed to be itemized in the paperwork for full disclosure. Not necessarily the names, but the number.

newparent wrote:Does anyone have a number we should stick on these clubs:
- Livepool
- Andromeda FC
- FC Premier
- Ayses

Any other clubs to add?

I think liverpool ans ayses are both 2K+ and Andromeda is somehwere around $2400 im sure somebody will chime in in a sec?

soccerisgood123 wrote:"Why would disclosing scholarships be required ? It is just another expense for the coach or club. I don't understand why so many people get hung up on it. You agree to pay a set price for a service. What that business or individual does with that money is their own business and no one elses. How many out there have heard of a club or coach announcing they are returning a portion of the fees because they did not have to scholarship anyone?"

I disagree with this. Imagine if everyone but you is getting a free ride, still willing to be the chump who pays full price?

Oh yeah that is a realistic scenario. Clubs always ask one person to pay all the expenses. Lets here from everyone who paid 36K last year. My beef is this. I have heard alot of people complain about scholarships when it works out to less than $150 for each paying player.I have listened to people rail about eating $70 rec fees so a kid can play. For some that is substantial. For others it is less than dinner for four or a happy hour bar tab. For the stud whose folks don't want to pay I say no. For the kid who won't get the opportunity it is the right thing to do. Anything less is wrong.

bigtex75081 wrote:

my2cents wrote:

soccerisgood123 wrote:"Why would disclosing scholarships be required ? It is just another expense for the coach or club. I don't understand why so many people get hung up on it. You agree to pay a set price for a service. What that business or individual does with that money is their own business and no one elses. How many out there have heard of a club or coach announcing they are returning a portion of the fees because they did not have to scholarship anyone?"

I disagree with this. Imagine if everyone but you is getting a free ride, still willing to be the chump who pays full price?

Oh yeah that is a realistic scenario. Clubs always ask one person to pay all the expenses. Lets here from everyone who paid 36K last year. My beef is this. I have heard alot of people complain about scholarships when it works out to less than $150 for each paying player.I have listened to people rail about eating $70 rec fees so a kid can play. For some that is substantial. For others it is less than dinner for four or a happy hour bar tab. For the stud whose folks don't want to pay I say no. For the kid who won't get the opportunity it is the right thing to do. Anything less is wrong.

But that's the crux... scholarships are used as recruiting tools, they aren't used for needy families. The stud is the one that's offered the scholarship. The stud can be from a rich or poor family, the families income doesn't matter, all that matters is their ability to play when that scholarship offer gets extended. If your hurting financially, but your kid is the 12th or 16th player on the roster... good luck getting that scholarship you ask about. Those are reserved for the most special "situations".

Also a big no no. Scholarships are supposed to be reserved for need-based players if the club is a 501(3c) non profit entity. If they can't show that the scholarships are need-based, they are breaking the tax law and are in danger of losing their non profit status as well as running the risk of the board members incurring fines, etc. What many of the clubs don't want you to know is, again, if they are 501(3c) non profits, their non profit application and financial statements are required by law to be available either by public disclosure (website or posted in the office) or on request from any member of the public.