after reading the above email sent by classic....i was thinking...yes sometimes i do that..

is the "onslaught of adult misconduct" a direct reflection of the calls being made, or not made, during some of the games this year...?

b0013 wrote:after reading the above email sent by classic....i was thinking...yes sometimes i do that..

is the "onslaught of adult misconduct" a direct reflection of the calls being made, or not made, during some of the games this year...?

Should I take it personally that I received the email TWICE??

My personal theory is it's due to all the pent up anger and stress caused by one of the wettest, rainiest fall seasons we've had in years!

b0013 wrote:after reading the above email sent by classic....i was thinking...yes sometimes i do that..

is the "onslaught of adult misconduct" a direct reflection of the calls being made, or not made, during some of the games this year...?

I have not seen any parent doing that. Not here in North Texas anyway. There must be some language barriers or just misunderstandings.

The German wrote:

b0013 wrote:after reading the above email sent by classic....i was thinking...yes sometimes i do that..

is the "onslaught of adult misconduct" a direct reflection of the calls being made, or not made, during some of the games this year...?

I have not seen any parent doing that. Not here in North Texas anyway. There must be some language barriers or just misunderstandings.

Do you need me to lend you a white cane?

I have a doctors note for my "Turrets disorder".

wasn't me. I only make trouble on the message boards

socmom3 wrote:

b0013 wrote:after reading the above email sent by classic....i was thinking...yes sometimes i do that..

is the "onslaught of adult misconduct" a direct reflection of the calls being made, or not made, during some of the games this year...?

Should I take it personally that I received the email TWICE??

My personal theory is it's due to all the pent up anger and stress caused by one of the wettest, rainiest fall seasons we've had in years!

And what does it mean, if I didn't get this email at all...that my teams' sidelines behaved perfectly all season? Or maybe my email filtered it as "spam"?

b0013 wrote:after reading the above email sent by classic....i was thinking...yes sometimes i do that..

is the "onslaught of adult misconduct" a direct reflection of the calls being made, or not made, during some of the games this year...?

You gonna blame your potty mouth on the referees too????

The problem with sending that to the coaches and managers is if the abusive and foul langauge is coming from the coach. I heard a coach this past weekend throw down a couple of bombs and was rightfully ejected. Then amusingly watched as the team's parents applauded him and cheered the boys on to score a goal for the coach that had just been ejected.

dreambig wrote:
And what does it mean, if I didn't get this email at all...

...means you need team mgr...

b0013 wrote:

dreambig wrote:
And what does it mean, if I didn't get this email at all...

...means you need team mgr...

I don't understand that? "you need team mgr"???? I need myself?????

dreambig wrote:

b0013 wrote:

dreambig wrote:
And what does it mean, if I didn't get this email at all...

...means you need team mgr...

I don't understand that? "you need team mgr"???? I need myself?????

I didn't receive it either - could it be targeted at younger age groups perhaps (say U11-U13)?

soccer geek wrote:

dreambig wrote:

b0013 wrote:

dreambig wrote:
And what does it mean, if I didn't get this email at all...

...means you need team mgr...

I don't understand that? "you need team mgr"???? I need myself?????

I didn't receive it either - could it be targeted at younger age groups perhaps (say U11-U13)?

It didn't go to U13's or U17's.

go99 wrote:wasn't me. I only make trouble on the message boards

Not me, either. I'm just a submissive female.

dreambig wrote:

soccer geek wrote:

dreambig wrote:

b0013 wrote:

dreambig wrote:
And what does it mean, if I didn't get this email at all...

...means you need team mgr...

I don't understand that? "you need team mgr"???? I need myself?????

I didn't receive it either - could it be targeted at younger age groups perhaps (say U11-U13)?

It didn't go to U13's or U17's.

hmmm..maybe the email was directed at some teams and not others...interesting..



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Ibystander wrote:

go99 wrote:wasn't me. I only make trouble on the message boards

Not me, either. I'm just a submissive female.

bystander..please wear this to the next tournament so we can identify you...

b0013 wrote:

dreambig wrote:

soccer geek wrote:

dreambig wrote:

b0013 wrote:

dreambig wrote:
And what does it mean, if I didn't get this email at all...

...means you need team mgr...

I don't understand that? "you need team mgr"???? I need myself?????

I didn't receive it either - could it be targeted at younger age groups perhaps (say U11-U13)?

It didn't go to U13's or U17's.

hmmm..maybe the email was directed at some teams and not others...interesting..



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What it really means is that your commissioner forgot to send it out to their teams!

Here's a nice poem to calm down those naughty, naughty parents.

Rudyard Kipling If If If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you; If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies, Or, being hated, don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise; If you can dream - and not make dreams your master; If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with triumph and disaster And treat those two imposters just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to broken, And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools; If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breath a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on"; If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch; If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you; If all men count with you, but none too much; If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run - Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

UMMMM, we got it for the U13 which was a bit louder this year then usual maybe due to the pressures of Dallas Cup.
Didn't get it for U12 which we should have gotten more directed towards the coaches- heard lots of CC and his foul language this year across several fields I might add. The 2 teams that had police out for a certain tournament should get that letter though.
U15 got it also but that is very understandable- very loud obnoxious parents myself being one of those- keep my mouth shut- not a chance, ref's need to do their jobs and we will keep our mouths shut.

Interesting, I never received this? Would love to forward this following the no urinating letter. I'd find it hard to believe it was a targeted letter - but, could be....
I would agree the officiating is worse than I can recall, but it's still just a matter of behavior - you can be upset as you'd like, you just need to express it as you'd not like.

clueless wrote:Interesting, I never received this? Would love to forward this following the no urinating letter. I'd find it hard to believe it was a targeted letter - but, could be....
I would agree the officiating is worse than I can recall, but it's still just a matter of behavior - you can be upset as you'd like, you just need to express it as you'd not like.

clue as rowdy as you are, I think yours will be hand delivered. I am personally waiting for mines to be delivered supoena style. I am waiting for the Constable to drive up any minute now.

True10 wrote:

clueless wrote:Interesting, I never received this? Would love to forward this following the no urinating letter. I'd find it hard to believe it was a targeted letter - but, could be....
I would agree the officiating is worse than I can recall, but it's still just a matter of behavior - you can be upset as you'd like, you just need to express it as you'd not like.

clue as rowdy as you are, I think yours will be hand delivered. I am personally waiting for mines to be delivered supoena style. I am waiting for the Constable to drive up any minute now.

I think they'll staple it to my mouth.

clueless wrote:

True10 wrote:

clueless wrote:Interesting, I never received this? Would love to forward this following the no urinating letter. I'd find it hard to believe it was a targeted letter - but, could be....
I would agree the officiating is worse than I can recall, but it's still just a matter of behavior - you can be upset as you'd like, you just need to express it as you'd not like.

clue as rowdy as you are, I think yours will be hand delivered. I am personally waiting for mines to be delivered supoena style. I am waiting for the Constable to drive up any minute now.

I think they'll staple it to my mouth.

If you're waiting for the constable - your car is probably being towed right now!

Even some D2 coaches did more yelling than usual...

While I agree that a kids soccer game is no place for foul language and physical threats, as paying customers, we have the right to have quality officiating.
If it was free, than we should not expect much.
But as with any paid job, referees are being paid to make every effort to make correct calls. (that includes AR's as well - otherwise they should not be there) They are human and mistakes are to be made, but not making an effort, not knowing the rules and letting certain coaches dictate their decision is completely unacceptable for a paid job.
As a customer for any service I am paying for , I would not accept laziness, incompetance and ignorance of the rules.
Having been in classic league for quite a few years now, the officiating does seem to be getting worse. (purposely or not) Laziness and incompetance is just becoming far too accepted.
As an employer would you accept that from your paid employees? As an employee do you put in little effort to be knowledgeable of your company rules and do what is right with a consistent effort?
Sadly, all of this is being absorbed by our youth. The officials need to realize that their actions (and lack thereof) as well as coaches and most importantly their parents will be copied sometime in the next few years by our future...our children.
We all need brush up on our knowledge of the game and accept responsibility for our actions, including referee's, who do get paid quite well for the 60 - 90 minutes they work a game. Kind of like weather men - still get paid even if they are wrong.

Bad reffing? Son played a jr high game tonight. Ball hit the cross bar bounced out to the 18 and the ref blew his whistle and called a goal kick. Kids just kept playing.

When ya think it's bad? " It ain't that bad ".

With everything that the Classic league volunteers do to ensure that there is a league with fields, referees, and teams, it is more than fair for them to expect that parents support the program through appropriate behavior.

I have lost my temper with referees and even allowed a parent to get under my skin. There is no excuse. However, if there is an expectation for parents to sit quietly on the sidelines, win or lose, it would be nice if some issues were addressed.

1. What is cautionable in this league? After watching many games for two years, I have no idea. Not only are there huge differences between referees' interpretations but even in a single game there are times when the inconsistency is hard to bear.

2. It is time for the parents on each team to sit across from the benches of their respective teams. I have noticed the past two weeks of parents from one team starting their line of chairs at midfield and literally taking up 60-70 yards of the field. It's frustrating to be forced to watch a game from the penalty box and have to listen to comments of the other parents at the same time.

3. Parents and players in Texas need to stop getting worked up just because their team is playing a team that has players of a different ethnicity. Soccer is a game played around the world. Some games have way too much tension that doesn't need to exist. Even some referees need to relax a little.

4. At U-11 to U16, the League should strive to make sure that the teams are comprised of players of the appropriate age. Hopefully, this is not a tactic that is used to help our top tier teams compete nationally.

Basically, after spending a few grand per child, parents have a yearning that their child will be coached by someone who knows what they are doing and will treat their child with dignity, while also being allowed to play a game where the rules are applied evenly.

Needless to say, there is plenty of frustration shared by all parties.
"Maybe it's time to get back to the basics of Love"

momof2boys wrote:While I agree that a kids soccer game is no place for foul language and physical threats, as paying customers, we have the right to have quality officiating.
If it was free, than we should not expect much.
But as with any paid job, referees are being paid to make every effort to make correct calls. (that includes AR's as well - otherwise they should not be there) They are human and mistakes are to be made, but not making an effort, not knowing the rules and letting certain coaches dictate their decision is completely unacceptable for a paid job.
As a customer for any service I am paying for , I would not accept laziness, incompetance and ignorance of the rules.
Having been in classic league for quite a few years now, the officiating does seem to be getting worse. (purposely or not) Laziness and incompetance is just becoming far too accepted.
As an employer would you accept that from your paid employees? As an employee do you put in little effort to be knowledgeable of your company rules and do what is right with a consistent effort?
Sadly, all of this is being absorbed by our youth. The officials need to realize that their actions (and lack thereof) as well as coaches and most importantly their parents will be copied sometime in the next few years by our future...our children.
We all need brush up on our knowledge of the game and accept responsibility for our actions, including referee's, who do get paid quite well for the 60 - 90 minutes they work a game. Kind of like weather men - still get paid even if they are wrong.

I'd only agree with this if there were a glut of people in line to become referees. Until that happens, we have to live with the quality we now have (and with additional leagues, that quality can only decrease as the ranks get thinner). I do wish there was a parental meet the ref and learn the basics the LOTG class for everyone.

I was asked tonight to bring to envelopes across to our coach tonight (manager and asst. coach absent.) One envelope said center $17 the other ARs $23. Please tell me that this is half of what they pay and the home team paid the same amount in. This is U14. Where can the rates for the different age groups be found?