THE NEEDLE wrote:

b0013 wrote:So , all teams coming in will have to stay at hotels in Farmers Branch...?

Yes, but they also have to agree to only speak english.

mrclean wrote:The direction that sports has taken in the U.S. is just sad.

1. Select Sports should be called "Delusions of Grandeur For Sale".

2. Recreational sports coaches are experts of the rules on minimum playing time and too many kids ride the bench at U8,9,etc. All because some 40 year old man didn't win enough trophies for the case as a child. Pop Warner Football only requires 6 plays as a minimum. In Little League Baseball, what is it, one inning at bat?

3. What we are doing isn't about developing soccer players. It's about trying to get parents to part with as many dollars as possible. Even our City Parks have jumped on this so that teams can't practice anywhere without shelling out the dough.

4. The reason that we have some powerhouse clubs isn't because of the program or coaching. (There are good coaches everywhere) It's because winning breeds winning. Everyone aspires to play on the best team. That is part of the goal of select sports. However, what we have for a style in North Texas could be called "Cash, Run Fast, Crash, Cuss, Kick, and Score"

It looks exciting. Bodies are flying. Athleticism is obvious. It might even work in college. It just isn't worth $2500 to learn this game.

Our success at the Dallas Cup is mostly due to home field, along with our speed catching them by surprise, maybe with a little bit of the other country's players' not being fully committed to sacrificing life and limb for that 50 ball. It will work for a game or two against international opponents, but it is very easy to make adjustments against in the long run.

A club buying a few spots at a tournament fits right in with our pay to play system. Too many "sponsors" have purchased team bags, equipment, uniforms, etc just to ensure that Junior gets his playing time. We should be used to this by now.

mrclean wrote:The direction that sports has taken in the U.S. is just sad.

1. Select Sports should be called "Delusions of Grandeur For Sale".

2. Recreational sports coaches are experts of the rules on minimum playing time and too many kids ride the bench at U8,9,etc. All because some 40 year old man didn't win enough trophies for the case as a child. Pop Warner Football only requires 6 plays as a minimum. In Little League Baseball, what is it, one inning at bat?

3. What we are doing isn't about developing soccer players. It's about trying to get parents to part with as many dollars as possible. Even our City Parks have jumped on this so that teams can't practice anywhere without shelling out the dough.

4. The reason that we have some powerhouse clubs isn't because of the program or coaching. (There are good coaches everywhere) It's because winning breeds winning. Everyone aspires to play on the best team. That is part of the goal of select sports. However, what we have for a style in North Texas could be called "Cash, Run Fast, Crash, Cuss, Kick, and Score"

It looks exciting. Bodies are flying. Athleticism is obvious. It might even work in college. It just isn't worth $2500 to learn this game.

Our success at the Dallas Cup is mostly due to home field, along with our speed catching them by surprise, maybe with a little bit of the other country's players' not being fully committed to sacrificing life and limb for that 50 ball. It will work for a game or two against international opponents, but it is very easy to make adjustments against in the long run.

A club buying a few spots at a tournament fits right in with our pay to play system. Too many "sponsors" have purchased team bags, equipment, uniforms, etc just to ensure that Junior gets his playing time. We should be used to this by now.

Manbearpig wrote:

The German wrote:This "monster" is the creation of us parents who choose for their children to play for those clubs and it doesn't matter if it is the Texans, Solar, Andromeda or FC Dallas. Each of the clubs would have taken the advantage if given to them unfortunately for them they weren't considered.
During the last coaches meeting a month ago the topic of Dallas Cup qualification was discussed and it was made very than clear that DC has not yet decided about the procedure how many teams will qualify because of the Academy teams and homestay program and that DC can do whatever they want in that regard.
This is a business and from a business point of view you do the best for your corporation and if that means taken an advantage you do it otherwise you are not a good business man.
To go after the families and especially the kids is just wrong - go after the ones that bend over backwards and agree to such conditions - the Dallas Cup organizers and comittee and make their life a living hell. Just my opinion.

I agree that the DC cup organizers lives should be made a living hell but you are wrong and dead wrong on giving yourself, the parents and the players a pass on the grounds that it is a business. Wrong is wrong. If this is what you want to teach these kids then lets just be damn straight and man up and tell the truth. "kids here is how it works, we want you to be good kids and do the right thing but if there is money involved it's ok to lie and cheat. Let's not confuse that with doing the wrong thing when there isn't a lot to gain. If the gain is low however and you won't get caught GO FOR IT. If you get caught always use the excuse that everyone else would have done the same thing. Ok you kids got that. Yes Sir!!! Good then go out there and show some integrity on the field and be the kind of young men we want you to be."
I N T E G R I T Y.....its kind of important, German. It doesn't matter what you discussed in the last coaches meeting. NONE of you that were in it are qualified to lead a herd of ants out of a brown paper bag full of dog s*. The fact is those boys played this season with the understanding that they were playing for at least 4 slots. That kind of corporate action, upper management chicken s* has no place in the development of character in young men. German I dont know you, but I can tell you this and know with 100% certainty that I am right. YOU as a human being, a coach, a father, a business man and a citizen of the United States if in fact you are one.....SUCK. Business decision my ass and don't you ever try and tell anyone else whats "wrong" because you have no idea of what right or "wrong" is.

Manbearpig wrote:

The German wrote:This "monster" is the creation of us parents who choose for their children to play for those clubs and it doesn't matter if it is the Texans, Solar, Andromeda or FC Dallas. Each of the clubs would have taken the advantage if given to them unfortunately for them they weren't considered.
During the last coaches meeting a month ago the topic of Dallas Cup qualification was discussed and it was made very than clear that DC has not yet decided about the procedure how many teams will qualify because of the Academy teams and homestay program and that DC can do whatever they want in that regard.
This is a business and from a business point of view you do the best for your corporation and if that means taken an advantage you do it otherwise you are not a good business man.
To go after the families and especially the kids is just wrong - go after the ones that bend over backwards and agree to such conditions - the Dallas Cup organizers and comittee and make their life a living hell. Just my opinion.

I agree that the DC cup organizers lives should be made a living hell but you are wrong and dead wrong on giving yourself, the parents and the players a pass on the grounds that it is a business. Wrong is wrong. If this is what you want to teach these kids then lets just be damn straight and man up and tell the truth. "kids here is how it works, we want you to be good kids and do the right thing but if there is money involved it's ok to lie and cheat. Let's not confuse that with doing the wrong thing when there isn't a lot to gain. If the gain is low however and you won't get caught GO FOR IT. If you get caught always use the excuse that everyone else would have done the same thing. Ok you kids got that. Yes Sir!!! Good then go out there and show some integrity on the field and be the kind of young men we want you to be."
I N T E G R I T Y.....its kind of important, German. It doesn't matter what you discussed in the last coaches meeting. NONE of you that were in it are qualified to lead a herd of ants out of a brown paper bag full of dog s*. The fact is those boys played this season with the understanding that they were playing for at least 4 slots. That kind of corporate action, upper management chicken s* has no place in the development of character in young men. German I dont know you, but I can tell you this and know with 100% certainty that I am right. YOU as a human being, a coach, a father, a business man and a citizen of the United States if in fact you are one.....SUCK. Business decision my ass and don't you ever try and tell anyone else whats "wrong" because you have no idea of what right or "wrong" is.

THE NEEDLE wrote:

Manbearpig wrote:

The German wrote:This "monster" is the creation of us parents who choose for their children to play for those clubs and it doesn't matter if it is the Texans, Solar, Andromeda or FC Dallas. Each of the clubs would have taken the advantage if given to them unfortunately for them they weren't considered.
During the last coaches meeting a month ago the topic of Dallas Cup qualification was discussed and it was made very than clear that DC has not yet decided about the procedure how many teams will qualify because of the Academy teams and homestay program and that DC can do whatever they want in that regard.
This is a business and from a business point of view you do the best for your corporation and if that means taken an advantage you do it otherwise you are not a good business man.
To go after the families and especially the kids is just wrong - go after the ones that bend over backwards and agree to such conditions - the Dallas Cup organizers and comittee and make their life a living hell. Just my opinion.

I agree that the DC cup organizers lives should be made a living hell but you are wrong and dead wrong on giving yourself, the parents and the players a pass on the grounds that it is a business. Wrong is wrong. If this is what you want to teach these kids then lets just be damn straight and man up and tell the truth. "kids here is how it works, we want you to be good kids and do the right thing but if there is money involved it's ok to lie and cheat. Let's not confuse that with doing the wrong thing when there isn't a lot to gain. If the gain is low however and you won't get caught GO FOR IT. If you get caught always use the excuse that everyone else would have done the same thing. Ok you kids got that. Yes Sir!!! Good then go out there and show some integrity on the field and be the kind of young men we want you to be."
I N T E G R I T Y.....its kind of important, German. It doesn't matter what you discussed in the last coaches meeting. NONE of you that were in it are qualified to lead a herd of ants out of a brown paper bag full of dog s*. The fact is those boys played this season with the understanding that they were playing for at least 4 slots. That kind of corporate action, upper management chicken s* has no place in the development of character in young men. German I dont know you, but I can tell you this and know with 100% certainty that I am right. YOU as a human being, a coach, a father, a business man and a citizen of the United States if in fact you are one.....SUCK. Business decision my ass and don't you ever try and tell anyone else whats "wrong" because you have no idea of what right or "wrong" is.

I don't agree with the changes basically providing the host club with two spots. On the other hand, there was no promise that the top four teams would receive a spot.
Who is more upset about the changes and consequences, the adults(parents and coaches) or the kids?

clueless wrote:

THE NEEDLE wrote:

Manbearpig wrote:

The German wrote:This "monster" is the creation of us parents who choose for their children to play for those clubs and it doesn't matter if it is the Texans, Solar, Andromeda or FC Dallas. Each of the clubs would have taken the advantage if given to them unfortunately for them they weren't considered.
During the last coaches meeting a month ago the topic of Dallas Cup qualification was discussed and it was made very than clear that DC has not yet decided about the procedure how many teams will qualify because of the Academy teams and homestay program and that DC can do whatever they want in that regard.
This is a business and from a business point of view you do the best for your corporation and if that means taken an advantage you do it otherwise you are not a good business man.
To go after the families and especially the kids is just wrong - go after the ones that bend over backwards and agree to such conditions - the Dallas Cup organizers and comittee and make their life a living hell. Just my opinion.

I agree that the DC cup organizers lives should be made a living hell but you are wrong and dead wrong on giving yourself, the parents and the players a pass on the grounds that it is a business. Wrong is wrong. If this is what you want to teach these kids then lets just be damn straight and man up and tell the truth. "kids here is how it works, we want you to be good kids and do the right thing but if there is money involved it's ok to lie and cheat. Let's not confuse that with doing the wrong thing when there isn't a lot to gain. If the gain is low however and you won't get caught GO FOR IT. If you get caught always use the excuse that everyone else would have done the same thing. Ok you kids got that. Yes Sir!!! Good then go out there and show some integrity on the field and be the kind of young men we want you to be."
I N T E G R I T Y.....its kind of important, German. It doesn't matter what you discussed in the last coaches meeting. NONE of you that were in it are qualified to lead a herd of ants out of a brown paper bag full of dog s*. The fact is those boys played this season with the understanding that they were playing for at least 4 slots. That kind of corporate action, upper management chicken s* has no place in the development of character in young men. German I dont know you, but I can tell you this and know with 100% certainty that I am right. YOU as a human being, a coach, a father, a business man and a citizen of the United States if in fact you are one.....SUCK. Business decision my ass and don't you ever try and tell anyone else whats "wrong" because you have no idea of what right or "wrong" is.

I don't agree with the changes basically providing the host club with two spots. On the other hand, there was no promise that the top four teams would receive a spot.
Who is more upset about the changes and consequences, the adults(parents and coaches) or the kids?

The kids will let this slide off their backs, the parents will hold a grudge for years. I believe most people knew the qualification criteria wasn't announced yet. The point is there were expectations set through precendence. I do think, given the timing of the announcement - it would be prudent to stick with the four and add a host team if they are top seven.
I have no idea why manbearpig would pick on TG, but I'd be willing to bet on a wrestling match. From the post, I'm assuming manbearpig will be in front of the TD's home in protest so no one will give him an undeserved pass. Is this a fight worth fighting, or is this just something worth discussing? You can't fight every fight possible or presented. If you don't agree with something your child's school does - do you have your son fall on the sword in protest at the risk of his advancement or academic standing?
The lesson learned here for the kids, IMO, is the golden rule (he who has the gold makes the rules) - not much more simple than that. They learn every game that some calls aren't seen, sometimes the better team doesn't win, life isn't fair, etc... It's a great venue for teaching (albeit expensive). Mr Clean is right - we all should have seen this coming.

clueless wrote:

THE NEEDLE wrote:

Manbearpig wrote:

The German wrote:This "monster" is the creation of us parents who choose for their children to play for those clubs and it doesn't matter if it is the Texans, Solar, Andromeda or FC Dallas. Each of the clubs would have taken the advantage if given to them unfortunately for them they weren't considered.
During the last coaches meeting a month ago the topic of Dallas Cup qualification was discussed and it was made very than clear that DC has not yet decided about the procedure how many teams will qualify because of the Academy teams and homestay program and that DC can do whatever they want in that regard.
This is a business and from a business point of view you do the best for your corporation and if that means taken an advantage you do it otherwise you are not a good business man.
To go after the families and especially the kids is just wrong - go after the ones that bend over backwards and agree to such conditions - the Dallas Cup organizers and comittee and make their life a living hell. Just my opinion.

I agree that the DC cup organizers lives should be made a living hell but you are wrong and dead wrong on giving yourself, the parents and the players a pass on the grounds that it is a business. Wrong is wrong. If this is what you want to teach these kids then lets just be damn straight and man up and tell the truth. "kids here is how it works, we want you to be good kids and do the right thing but if there is money involved it's ok to lie and cheat. Let's not confuse that with doing the wrong thing when there isn't a lot to gain. If the gain is low however and you won't get caught GO FOR IT. If you get caught always use the excuse that everyone else would have done the same thing. Ok you kids got that. Yes Sir!!! Good then go out there and show some integrity on the field and be the kind of young men we want you to be."
I N T E G R I T Y.....its kind of important, German. It doesn't matter what you discussed in the last coaches meeting. NONE of you that were in it are qualified to lead a herd of ants out of a brown paper bag full of dog s*. The fact is those boys played this season with the understanding that they were playing for at least 4 slots. That kind of corporate action, upper management chicken s* has no place in the development of character in young men. German I dont know you, but I can tell you this and know with 100% certainty that I am right. YOU as a human being, a coach, a father, a business man and a citizen of the United States if in fact you are one.....SUCK. Business decision my ass and don't you ever try and tell anyone else whats "wrong" because you have no idea of what right or "wrong" is.

I don't agree with the changes basically providing the host club with two spots. On the other hand, there was no promise that the top four teams would receive a spot.
Who is more upset about the changes and consequences, the adults(parents and coaches) or the kids?

The kids will let this slide off their backs, the parents will hold a grudge for years. I believe most people knew the qualification criteria wasn't announced yet. The point is there were expectations set through precendence. I do think, given the timing of the announcement - it would be prudent to stick with the four and add a host team if they are top seven.
I have no idea why manbearpig would pick on TG, but I'd be willing to bet on a wrestling match. From the post, I'm assuming manbearpig will be in front of the TD's home in protest so no one will give him an undeserved pass. Is this a fight worth fighting, or is this just something worth discussing? You can't fight every fight possible or presented. If you don't agree with something your child's school does - do you have your son fall on the sword in protest at the risk of his advancement or academic standing?
The lesson learned here for the kids, IMO, is the golden rule (he who has the gold makes the rules) - not much more simple than that. They learn every game that some calls aren't seen, sometimes the better team doesn't win, life isn't fair, etc... It's a great venue for teaching (albeit expensive). Mr Clean is right - we all should have seen this coming.

sillymom wrote:

clueless wrote:

THE NEEDLE wrote:

Manbearpig wrote:

The German wrote:This "monster" is the creation of us parents who choose for their children to play for those clubs and it doesn't matter if it is the Texans, Solar, Andromeda or FC Dallas. Each of the clubs would have taken the advantage if given to them unfortunately for them they weren't considered.
During the last coaches meeting a month ago the topic of Dallas Cup qualification was discussed and it was made very than clear that DC has not yet decided about the procedure how many teams will qualify because of the Academy teams and homestay program and that DC can do whatever they want in that regard.
This is a business and from a business point of view you do the best for your corporation and if that means taken an advantage you do it otherwise you are not a good business man.
To go after the families and especially the kids is just wrong - go after the ones that bend over backwards and agree to such conditions - the Dallas Cup organizers and comittee and make their life a living hell. Just my opinion.

I agree that the DC cup organizers lives should be made a living hell but you are wrong and dead wrong on giving yourself, the parents and the players a pass on the grounds that it is a business. Wrong is wrong. If this is what you want to teach these kids then lets just be damn straight and man up and tell the truth. "kids here is how it works, we want you to be good kids and do the right thing but if there is money involved it's ok to lie and cheat. Let's not confuse that with doing the wrong thing when there isn't a lot to gain. If the gain is low however and you won't get caught GO FOR IT. If you get caught always use the excuse that everyone else would have done the same thing. Ok you kids got that. Yes Sir!!! Good then go out there and show some integrity on the field and be the kind of young men we want you to be."
I N T E G R I T Y.....its kind of important, German. It doesn't matter what you discussed in the last coaches meeting. NONE of you that were in it are qualified to lead a herd of ants out of a brown paper bag full of dog s*. The fact is those boys played this season with the understanding that they were playing for at least 4 slots. That kind of corporate action, upper management chicken s* has no place in the development of character in young men. German I dont know you, but I can tell you this and know with 100% certainty that I am right. YOU as a human being, a coach, a father, a business man and a citizen of the United States if in fact you are one.....SUCK. Business decision my ass and don't you ever try and tell anyone else whats "wrong" because you have no idea of what right or "wrong" is.

I don't agree with the changes basically providing the host club with two spots. On the other hand, there was no promise that the top four teams would receive a spot.
Who is more upset about the changes and consequences, the adults(parents and coaches) or the kids?

The kids will let this slide off their backs, the parents will hold a grudge for years. I believe most people knew the qualification criteria wasn't announced yet. The point is there were expectations set through precendence. I do think, given the timing of the announcement - it would be prudent to stick with the four and add a host team if they are top seven.
I have no idea why manbearpig would pick on TG, but I'd be willing to bet on a wrestling match. From the post, I'm assuming manbearpig will be in front of the TD's home in protest so no one will give him an undeserved pass. Is this a fight worth fighting, or is this just something worth discussing? You can't fight every fight possible or presented. If you don't agree with something your child's school does - do you have your son fall on the sword in protest at the risk of his advancement or academic standing?
The lesson learned here for the kids, IMO, is the golden rule (he who has the gold makes the rules) - not much more simple than that. They learn every game that some calls aren't seen, sometimes the better team doesn't win, life isn't fair, etc... It's a great venue for teaching (albeit expensive). Mr Clean is right - we all should have seen this coming.

I usually agree with you clue but not this time. You say this will slide off the kids backs but you say that because your son's team is not effected and a shoe in for DC, ask the kids on the Solar teams and they will tell you different. There are a few elite tournaments that every player on the top tier teams looks forward to and DC is one of these. This is like working hard all your life and building your nest egg and then bam some big crooked executive decides to be dishonest and greedy and you loose everything days before you retire.

playhard wrote:or maybe all the Dallas Texans Red players and parents should stand up, gracefully decline the spot saying that they really didn't qualify for it and let Solar play.
Wouldn't it be so easy......

CH1 wrote:The DT open practices should be FULL ...I mean interesting now!

CH1 wrote:The DT open practices should be FULL ...I mean interesting now!

• The lateness of selection of Dallas Metro area teams was due to the time taken in selecting a new host club following the resignations of the former host club, Texans Longhorns in August of this year.
  
  
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ckclimited3 wrote:Thanks for the clarification, however I think answers to the two following questions would go a long way to helping people understand the whats and whys.
1. Were the Texans given a greater number of team slots this year than with the Longhorns hell yeah it used to be 1 Texans are now given 2 out of the 4 invited and the teams have to qualify and those kids play their hearts out each year leading up to it to qualify for D1 and stay in D1 and remain top 4.
2. Has this situation ever happened in the Dallas Cup in the past where the host team has placed a lower place team into the tournament at the expense of a higher placed team, simply because of the hosting agreement? Don't think so given this uproar. I also don't think it was an issue before- rule stipulates host club get the slots with the stipulation that they had a D1 team to fill it with.
If the other hosting clubs have done this in the past, then there really isnt a reason to complain. If it has happened in the past, it may not be right, but it may be the norm.