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    New Competitive League

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    rusty29000

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    New Competitive League

    Post  rusty29000 on Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:26 pm

    Any thoughts on the new league starting up?
    http://www.progressiveyouthleague.com/

    go99

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  go99 on Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:59 pm

    can't see the purpose. Looks like CL lite. Whats the reason for the new league and how is it any different from the CL?

    coachdom

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  coachdom on Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:01 pm

    go99 wrote:can't see the purpose. Looks like CL lite. Whats the reason for the new league and how is it any different from the CL?

    CL lite? IF the older divisions make, it will take away teams from PPL

    go99

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  go99 on Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:30 pm

    that sounds about right, but would those teams still qualify to move up into the CL? If not then it would still even miss the top teams from PPL

    coachdom

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  coachdom on Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:39 pm

    go99 wrote:that sounds about right, but would those teams still qualify to move up into the CL? If not then it would still even miss the top teams from PPL

    CL and NTSSA could blacklist those teams from qualifying for CL. AND, their teams would have to jump through a couple of extra hoops to be allowed to play in USYS/NTSSA-sanctioned tournaments, assuming they aren't booted from NTSSA altogether. (NTSSA doesn't disown teams/clubs that play in SDL or PrimeTime, so that probably won't happen, but the league needs to be sanctioned through US Club Soccer, at the least.)
    IF this league joins US Club Soccer, their teams could play in US Club Soccer tournaments and USYS/NTSSA "unrestricted" tournaments. If not, they are like PSA teams that can't play anywhere but PSA.

    go99

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  go99 on Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:52 pm

    that's about what I thought. Can see why they have the new league other than money. Maybe if they did something different like a focus on development instead of competition. But as it stands it looks the same as CL and I don't see it doing much

    indyfc

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  indyfc on Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:06 pm

    Would any CL team play both leagues? Seems like they are really flexible with the scheduling...

    liebevin

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  liebevin on Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:40 am

    indyfc wrote:Would any CL team play both leagues? Seems like they are really flexible with the scheduling...

    Seems like a way to evaluate and collect talent for AYSES.....

    clueless

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  clueless on Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:18 am

    liebevin wrote:
    indyfc wrote:Would any CL team play both leagues? Seems like they are really flexible with the scheduling...

    Seems like a way to evaluate and collect talent for AYSES.....

    or collect talent FROM AYSES.

    b0013

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  b0013 on Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:20 am

    liebevin wrote:
    indyfc wrote:Would any CL team play both leagues? Seems like they are really flexible with the scheduling...

    Seems like a way to evaluate and collect talent for AYSES.....


    That was my first thought when I saw this...

    The German

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  The German on Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:51 am

    clueless wrote:
    liebevin wrote:
    indyfc wrote:Would any CL team play both leagues? Seems like they are really flexible with the scheduling...

    Seems like a way to evaluate and collect talent for AYSES.....

    or collect talent FROM AYSES.
    Do they have any? JK

    go99

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  go99 on Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:12 am

    The German wrote:
    clueless wrote:
    liebevin wrote:
    indyfc wrote:Would any CL team play both leagues? Seems like they are really flexible with the scheduling...

    Seems like a way to evaluate and collect talent for AYSES.....

    or collect talent FROM AYSES.
    Do they have any? JK

    LOL If it wasn't too expensive and they played on Sunday, I would try to put together a pick up team of bb's friends to play.

    rusty29000

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  rusty29000 on Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:38 pm

    CL and NTSSA could blacklist those teams from qualifying for CL. AND, their teams would have to jump through a couple of extra hoops to be allowed to play in USYS/NTSSA-sanctioned tournaments, assuming they aren't booted from NTSSA altogether. (NTSSA doesn't disown teams/clubs that play in SDL or PrimeTime, so that probably won't happen, but the league needs to be sanctioned through US Club Soccer, at the least.)
    IF this league joins US Club Soccer, their teams could play in US Club Soccer tournaments and USYS/NTSSA "unrestricted" tournaments. If not, they are like PSA teams that can't play anywhere but PSA.
    I am curious about the fact that 2 "REC" teams from Dallas East have taken control of the 96' & 97' Div. 1 PPL.
    Rayados De Monterrey 97B PPL
    Inter-Milan 96B PPL
    CL Challenge should open it's eyes outside of PPL and APL. There is obviously some competition outside of these two leagues IMO.

    rusty29000

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  rusty29000 on Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:55 pm

    Looks like some teams are starting to sign up. Some previous PPL teams

    soccerdad1

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  soccerdad1 on Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:28 pm

    Where do you get your information from? And please define some, i.e 2,3,more? Does that mean some teams are not returning to PPL-or are they playing both?

    norwich city

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  norwich city on Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:36 pm

    Yes, I would like to know the same thing.I don't see anywhere on their site that you can see the teams that have signed up.

    rusty29000

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  rusty29000 on Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:32 pm

    Just some previous teams that did not make in time for PPL are the ones wanting to participate. I do not know if there is enough teams signed up to make a league. There is not a team that I know of leaving PPL. Does anyone know the rules that apply to a kid playing competitive soccer, if he is allowed to play for 2 different teams under the NTTSA rules.

    soccerdad1

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  soccerdad1 on Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:43 pm

    You can't play for 2 different teams-otherwise kids would play in both Classic and Plano/Arlington.

    rusty29000

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  rusty29000 on Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:49 pm

    The league did not make.

    coachdom

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  coachdom on Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:15 pm

    rusty29000 wrote:The league did not make.


    Its only January 12th.

    soccermom040

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  soccermom040 on Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:00 pm

    soccerdad1 wrote:You can't play for 2 different teams-otherwise kids would play in both Classic and Plano/Arlington.


    I THINK if this new league is not sanctioned by NTSA, kids could play with whomever they want. The "contracts" and all the BS NTSA rules wouldn't apply. This new league could turn the clock back to when soccer was a sport, not a business. Just imagine, your kid playing with multiple teams, multiple age groups... now we're talking player development!

    go99

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  go99 on Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:18 pm

    sounds good to me

    coachdom

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  coachdom on Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:46 pm

    soccermom040 wrote:This new league could turn the clock back to when soccer was a sport, not a business. Just imagine, your kid playing with multiple teams, multiple age groups... now we're talking player development!

    Sounds great. No one will be worried about winning and losing.

    soccermom040

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  soccermom040 on Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:19 pm

    coachdom wrote:
    soccermom040 wrote:This new league could turn the clock back to when soccer was a sport, not a business. Just imagine, your kid playing with multiple teams, multiple age groups... now we're talking player development!

    Sounds great. No one will be worried about winning and losing.


    well... all depends on how the clubs pass the buck to the parents. This league is not part of the usual contract, which means clubs could charge more. Also, you'll have coaches out there that will try to keep their dollars, oops, I mean players, from playing with another team. Parents will need to buck up to these over glorified PE teachers and let their kids play where they want.

    my2cents

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  my2cents on Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:11 am

    Yeah lets make sure they can play in two leagues, throw in some indoor, maybe some extra skills sessions ,tournaments etc. I can smell the burn out smoke already.

    go99

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  go99 on Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:46 am

    or how about we throw out some indoor, extra skills, drop a few tournaments etc? The smoke will not be coming from a free play enviornment. The new league has the potential to become a fun enviornment for kids to go back to just enjoying soccer. It will probably never take off because the Clubs, competative parents, and probably the league it's self will ruin it. Let the kids form teams with friends etc, regardless of club affiliation. Use minimal coaching and subs, and allow the kids to just play and enjoy playing.

    centermiddad

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  centermiddad on Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:30 am

    my2cents wrote:Yeah lets make sure they can play in two leagues, throw in some indoor, maybe some extra skills sessions ,tournaments etc. I can smell the burn out smoke already.


    Don't forget to throw in the 5 different coaching styles into the mix. Nothing like listening to 5 different coaches telling you they are the only ones who really know how to coach. That when you play for ME you do this and that and blah blah blah....kid won't know what he's doing in 2 weeks time.

    mrclean

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  mrclean on Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:21 pm

    I really think that more games can be beneficial. The problem is how American boys tend to play from U15 on up. There is too much emotion and too many hard tackles. You can't do that year round and expect to stay healthy. There are three types of tackles: block, toe-poke, and a slide tackle where you are side by side and you get the ball. A collision is not a tackle. Sliding into a player at top speed is not a tackle.
    If you are going to play more games, we have to focus on more controlled play in both attacking and defending.
    Seriously, if you want to see how it can be done, just watch a Men's Mexican League. They aren't trying to hurt each other. They know how important their legs and back are. You also see mutual respect. If we can learn to do that, then a game every day wouldn't even be a problem.

    my2cents

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  my2cents on Sun Jan 17, 2010 4:16 pm

    mrclean wrote:I really think that more games can be beneficial. The problem is how American boys tend to play from U15 on up. There is too much emotion and too many hard tackles. You can't do that year round and expect to stay healthy. There are three types of tackles: block, toe-poke, and a slide tackle where you are side by side and you get the ball. A collision is not a tackle. Sliding into a player at top speed is not a tackle.
    If you are going to play more games, we have to focus on more controlled play in both attacking and defending.
    Seriously, if you want to see how it can be done, just watch a Men's Mexican League. They aren't trying to hurt each other. They know how important their legs and back are. You also see mutual respect. If we can learn to do that, then a game every day wouldn't even be a problem.


    I am not so sure about that. Fort Worth Park and Rec will not let adult mens league( almost 100%hispanic) and youth games play on the same field complex because of the langauge and fights. I agree about the hard tackles but there is also alot of dirty play. Watched a bunch of HS games this weekend and last few weeks and the dirty play was not carded and was condoned by coaches. It is sad.

    socmom3

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    Re: New Competitive League

    Post  socmom3 on Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:15 pm

    my2cents wrote:
    mrclean wrote:I really think that more games can be beneficial. The problem is how American boys tend to play from U15 on up. There is too much emotion and too many hard tackles. You can't do that year round and expect to stay healthy. There are three types of tackles: block, toe-poke, and a slide tackle where you are side by side and you get the ball. A collision is not a tackle. Sliding into a player at top speed is not a tackle.
    If you are going to play more games, we have to focus on more controlled play in both attacking and defending.
    Seriously, if you want to see how it can be done, just watch a Men's Mexican League. They aren't trying to hurt each other. They know how important their legs and back are. You also see mutual respect. If we can learn to do that, then a game every day wouldn't even be a problem.


    I am not so sure about that. Fort Worth Park and Rec will not let adult mens league( almost 100%hispanic) and youth games play on the same field complex because of the langauge and fights. I agree about the hard tackles but there is also alot of dirty play. Watched a bunch of HS games this weekend and last few weeks and the dirty play was not carded and was condoned by coaches. It is sad.


    Can't really speak to the topic BUT I will concur with you on the dirty play being allowed by refs and condoned by coaches in the HS games I've seen so far this season. I'm all for good, physical play but some of the stuff I witnessed this past weekend, especially, definitely crossed that line.

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