TonyRomo wrote:Is there any truth to the rumor that FC Dallas will be forming two super teams out of the current group of FC Dallas teams in D1. My understanding is that Rhine will take the top team of the two and the FC Dallas Blue team will be disbanded. Probably just a rumor but never hurts to ask.

Doubt it. Why would they ?? To appese some parents who what to say "bb plays on the top team"?? They like the #s, the income and the large talent pool. When it's important they will make a top team . It's called the JR'S

plantit wrote:

TonyRomo wrote:Is there any truth to the rumor that FC Dallas will be forming two super teams out of the current group of FC Dallas teams in D1. My understanding is that Rhine will take the top team of the two and the FC Dallas Blue team will be disbanded. Probably just a rumor but never hurts to ask.

Doubt it. Why would they ?? To appese some parents who what to say "bb plays on the top team"?? They like the #s, the income and the large talent pool. When it's important they will make a top team . It's called the JR'S

Looking at the current standings it would be very difficult to do. FCD has four teams in D1: Suarez at #4, South at #17, Gold at #18 and Blue at #19. Assuming Suarez can stay in D1 "as is" and Blue is disbanded, you would have to combine players into South or Gold and win about every game this spring to finish top ten and make D1 next year. Probably not impossible, however, the season starts next week - hard to go from rumor to reality to unbeatable team in about 10 days!

Eight-Ball wrote:

plantit wrote:

TonyRomo wrote:Is there any truth to the rumor that FC Dallas will be forming two super teams out of the current group of FC Dallas teams in D1. My understanding is that Rhine will take the top team of the two and the FC Dallas Blue team will be disbanded. Probably just a rumor but never hurts to ask.

Doubt it. Why would they ?? To appese some parents who what to say "bb plays on the top team"?? They like the #s, the income and the large talent pool. When it's important they will make a top team . It's called the JR'S

Looking at the current standings it would be very difficult to do. FCD has four teams in D1: Suarez at #4, South at #17, Gold at #18 and Blue at #19. Assuming Suarez can stay in D1 "as is" and Blue is disbanded, you would have to combine players into South or Gold and win about every game this spring to finish top ten and make D1 next year. Probably not impossible, however, the season starts next week - hard to go from rumor to reality to unbeatable team in about 10 days!

If Blue is disbanded couldn't they take a d2 or Plano team to fill the spot. FC Dallas did that before with the 97's.

Axxman wrote:Speedy, don't be giving yourself away now.
Are you an insurance attorney, or CCO's attorney?

Maybe I'm not even an attorney. Maybe I don't even have a 99 or a kid, for that matter. Maybe I just like getting everyone worked up. All this "you suck because you lost to a D2 team" is just annoying. I'm done (for now).

Maybe this blog doesn't exist and maybe CCO never even played in the ayses tourny......

Nobody is getting worked up, people (myself included) were giving CCO alot of credit for the way they played the first half of the season. But after that showing last weekend, it makes you wonder, that's all. It's quite simple, CCO plays like they did a week ago, and D1 will be a dream, just like our imaginary friend Speedy Gonzales.

And by the way, for someone that likes to get everyone worked up, you sure seem to get annoyed easily.

Speedy didn't take his medicine. That last post was just wierd!
As for CCO, they are playing in the tournamnet(the rain is here) this weekend. I believe that FCDallas(Fig), DT(Connel) and Comets are in their bracket. Maybe if they play we can get a better read on them. Personally, I think they will be fine and finish easily with enough points to qualify for d1.

CLUB31 wrote:Speedy didn't take his medicine. That last post was just wierd!
As for CCO, they are playing in the tournamnet(the rain is here) this weekend. I believe that FCDallas(Fig), DT(Connel) and Comets are in their bracket. Maybe if they play we can get a better read on them. Personally, I think they will be fine and finish easily with enough points to qualify for d1.

They may not want to find themselves barely getting that last d-1 spot. Hard place to play the whole year for parents and players that over rate winning at u-11. Ask 97 tejano's ( winless) & no ties.

Plantiff- I always crack up when guys like you talk about how CCO would not like to end up at the bottom of d1. I am sure you would never say that about the big clubs that we all know. The FC,DT,SOLAR,ANDO. I would love to see the CCO,Chivas,Bacelona,Comets or Athletico kick their ass. It would be good for NTsoccer.

Guys, Don't read too much into CCO's disappointing tournament last week. CCO has NEVER been a good tournament team--for whatever reason. The team also had two starters out due to injury / illness. Finally, the coach was CLEARLY experimenting with the lineup. Several of the kids were playing positions they've rarely (if ever) played in the past 6 months. It is clear that the CCO coach uses tournaments to warm up the team for league play amd to get some kids playing time at positions that may be helpful in the future, rather than aiming to win the tournament. The same team that was surprisingly competitive in the first half of D1 league play could not buy a win in a tournament game in the spring and early summer. Bottom line--CCO will be fine once league play resumes.

CLUB31 wrote:Plantiff- I always crack up when guys like you talk about how CCO would not like to end up at the bottom of d1. I am sure you would never say that about the big clubs that we all know. The FC,DT,SOLAR,ANDO. I would love to see the CCO,Chivas,Bacelona,Comets or Athletico kick their ass. It would be good for NTsoccer.

No it wouldn't, Bone head. When was the last time you saw a athletico madrid sponsored tournament??How bout a skills session?? How bout a camp??. They give nothing to NTX other than their little team in that particular age group. Even if cc makes d-1, where are they going to reinforce their roster Big Guy? Their other team ?? Oh yea , they don't have one.... Seen it before , they're doing it with mirrors. How long do you really think that,that speed up top is going to continue to work. Be honest how many goals have been through-ball breakaways . Thats how we lost to ya in the tut. CC is just a team in the pack no more no less.

jokerswild wrote:Guys, Don't read too much into CCO's disappointing tournament last week. CCO has NEVER been a good tournament team--for whatever reason. The team also had two starters out due to injury / illness. Finally, the coach was CLEARLY experimenting with the lineup. Several of the kids were playing positions they've rarely (if ever) played in the past 6 months. It is clear that the CCO coach uses tournaments to warm up the team for league play amd to get some kids playing time at positions that may be helpful in the future, rather than aiming to win the tournament. The same team that was surprisingly competitive in the first half of D1 league play could not buy a win in a tournament game in the spring and early summer. Bottom line--CCO will be fine once league play resumes.

OK............ Boy do I feel better . Sorry,,, I take everything back now.!!!!!

In Plantiff's perfect would next year in D1 would be the three Texan teams, four FCteams, the two Solar with Andromena and throw in one of the other smaller clubs only to be replaced by another Texan team the next year. Sounds like fun??

Looking back, my last post was a little weird. I am back on my meds today and ready to go. Sometimes, a little time away does a mind good. Axx: you were right that I got annoyed too easily for someone who likes to annoy. Now that the lithium is working, I won't be so bipolar.

That was quick, welcome back amigo. We may all need a little lithium with this weather. The rain is making me a little batty!

The lithium only goes so far though. This website is starting to grate on my last nerve with the constant "log in or register" pop up--it reminds me of another blog site (TM) that became too full of itself and tried to get too complicated. Sometimes, I just don't want to login--I just want to monitor what others are saying. Is it just me or is this a new feature just in the last week or so? It is so annoying. I may have to double up on the lith.

CLUB31 wrote:In Plantiff's perfect would next year in D1 would be the three Texan teams, four FCteams, the two Solar with Andromena and throw in one of the other smaller clubs only to be replaced by another Texan team the next year. Sounds like fun??

How did you come up with 31? Is that your I/Q? If your going the address me at least get the name right. All I'm saying is the #10 spot in d-1 is not a desirable position for any of the smaller clubs or indies. They will fight to upgrade while the larger clubs won't . When this happens they will spend the year getting smashed. If they go in at the 3-7 position they have a chance to stay.

Plantiff- Anyone that would have that ridiculous picture on their posts that you have claims to all that you are an idiot.
It would be my guess that you don't pay your large club bills on time and still kiss the ground they walk on! Independents and small clubs will do well in the 99 group and with six of them qualifying for d1 next year you and your bb will be knocking on our door soon!

East Texas really doesn't want to get involved here...

PLantiff, Why the disdain for CCO (and other small teams). The way that the FCD teams are playing, their director would jizz all over himself if the CCO coach showed up with his entire team offering to replace their current D1 teams. And don't belittle the way CCO plays. The players are getting better by the day. Athleticism and skill are damn near impossible to beat, so I would be very careful about belittling any team with athletes. Skill can be acquired, but athleticism cannot.

jokerswild wrote:PLantiff, Why the disdain for CCO (and other small teams). The way that the FCD teams are playing, their director would jizz all over himself if the CCO coach showed up with his entire team offering to replace their current D1 teams. And don't belittle the way CCO plays. The players are getting better by the day. Athleticism and skill are damn near impossible to beat, so I would be very careful about belittling any team with athletes. Skill can be acquired, but athleticism cannot.

No the director wouldn't. His distain for the way our youth soccer players are being tought is well known. Have you ever even attented a practice with the doc of fcd ?. Trust me you will see very little kick and run .

Athleticism not acquired? Thought thats why pros train. Thats like saying "if you study you won't get smarter" ..Think you got that one backward. Give me the skilled , naturaly talented one . I'll train him till he's an athlete.

At the academy level " when it ( REALLY) begins to frekin matter . The texans , Solar, ect possess the athletes, FCD possesses the soccer players. Look at the results . But of course, I make this crap up.

Do you really think you can identify an athlete @ 11 years old ? pre puberty.? All the kids in classic, ect, are somewhat athletic.I could point out alot of skilled athletes that are dumber than a nail.and a girl could kick their arse.Point being if you have a couple super athletes running rough shot over the competition it won't last. Kids don't perpetually grow ( I have yet to see one thats 8'7"). They don't go from running a 6.0 fourty to a 3.0 fourty. Right now the game is 80% below the shoulders and 20% above . Within 3 years that will reverse.

If you guys could put down the tissues for a minute . I never said I hate small club teams . Only that they give little back to NTX as a whole. They do provide a variety, a place for kids to play that may not be able to afford the larger clubs,and somewhat of a check and balance system to the larger clubs.
What I said about CC is that club classic is a middle of the pack team . They could easily be #7 , they could easily be #17, and that if they find themselves in the 10th spot they will have a long year next year. Sorry if thats pissing in your wheaties.

As far as bringing CC over " by all means" FCD would welcome them . They would cash their checks .They would even congradulate them on their d-1 status .

plantit wrote:

jokerswild wrote:PLantiff, Why the disdain for CCO (and other small teams). The way that the FCD teams are playing, their director would jizz all over himself if the CCO coach showed up with his entire team offering to replace their current D1 teams. And don't belittle the way CCO plays. The players are getting better by the day. Athleticism and skill are damn near impossible to beat, so I would be very careful about belittling any team with athletes. Skill can be acquired, but athleticism cannot.

No the director wouldn't. His distain for the way our youth soccer players are being tought is well known. Have you ever even attented a practice with the doc of fcd ?. Trust me you will see very little kick and run .

Athleticism not acquired? Thought thats why pros train. Thats like saying "if you study you won't get smarter" ..Think you got that one backward. Give me the skilled , naturaly talented one . I'll train him till he's an athlete.

At the academy level " when it ( REALLY) begins to frekin matter . The texans , Solar, ect possess the athletes, FCD possesses the soccer players. Look at the results . But of course, I make this crap up.

Do you really think you can identify an athlete @ 11 years old ? pre puberty.? All the kids in classic, ect, are somewhat athletic.I could point out alot of skilled athletes that are dumber than a nail.and a girl could kick their arse.Point being if you have a couple super athletes running rough shot over the competition it won't last. Kids don't perpetually grow ( I have yet to see one thats 8'7"). They don't go from running a 6.0 fourty to a 3.0 fourty. Right now the game is 80% below the shoulders and 20% above . Within 3 years that will reverse.

If you guys could put down the tissues for a minute . I never said I hate small club teams . Only that they give little back to NTX as a whole. They do provide a variety, a place for kids to play that may not be able to afford the larger clubs,and somewhat of a check and balance system to the larger clubs.
What I said about CC is that club classic is a middle of the pack team . They could easily be #7 , they could easily be #17, and that if they find themselves in the 10th spot they will have a long year next year. Sorry if thats pissing in your wheaties.

As far as bringing CC over " by all means" FCD would welcome them . They would cash their checks .They would even congradulate them on their d-1 status .

When you say that they are "dumber than a nail"; is spelling part of that criteria? Please advise.

I never said I hate small club teams . Only that they give little back to NTX as a whole. They do provide a variety, a place for kids to play that may not be able to afford the larger clubs,and somewhat of a check and balance system to the larger clubs.

I disagree. I think MOST families can not afford the price tag of club soccer. Without the more affordable clubs presence, there would be too many kids still playing at the Rec level. My 17 year old son has played on an independent team that has had several players get picked up by the "Fab 4"
Our system is too expensive, too political, and too arrogant.

"In the beginning, we were those kids that played on the dirt fields" - Dempsey

plantit wrote:

jokerswild wrote:PLantiff, Why the disdain for CCO (and other small teams). The way that the FCD teams are playing, their director would jizz all over himself if the CCO coach showed up with his entire team offering to replace their current D1 teams. And don't belittle the way CCO plays. The players are getting better by the day. Athleticism and skill are damn near impossible to beat, so I would be very careful about belittling any team with athletes. Skill can be acquired, but athleticism cannot.

No the director wouldn't. His distain for the way our youth soccer players are being tought is well known. Have you ever even attented a practice with the doc of fcd ?. Trust me you will see very little kick and run .

Athleticism not acquired? Thought thats why pros train. Thats like saying "if you study you won't get smarter" ..Think you got that one backward. Give me the skilled , naturaly talented one . I'll train him till he's an athlete.

At the academy level " when it ( REALLY) begins to frekin matter . The texans , Solar, ect possess the athletes, FCD possesses the soccer players. Look at the results . But of course, I make this crap up.

Do you really think you can identify an athlete @ 11 years old ? pre puberty.? All the kids in classic, ect, are somewhat athletic.I could point out alot of skilled athletes that are dumber than a nail.and a girl could kick their arse.Point being if you have a couple super athletes running rough shot over the competition it won't last. Kids don't perpetually grow ( I have yet to see one thats 8'7"). They don't go from running a 6.0 fourty to a 3.0 fourty. Right now the game is 80% below the shoulders and 20% above . Within 3 years that will reverse.

If you guys could put down the tissues for a minute . I never said I hate small club teams . Only that they give little back to NTX as a whole. They do provide a variety, a place for kids to play that may not be able to afford the larger clubs,and somewhat of a check and balance system to the larger clubs.
What I said about CC is that club classic is a middle of the pack team . They could easily be #7 , they could easily be #17, and that if they find themselves in the 10th spot they will have a long year next year. Sorry if thats pissing in your wheaties.

As far as bringing CC over " by all means" FCD would welcome them . They would cash their checks .They would even congradulate them on their d-1 status .

I actually agree with Plantiff (just kidding on the spelling) on most of this one. I have never really understood this whole "athlete" versus "soccer player" discussion. It seems that when a player displays good understanding of the game and skills, he is a soccer player - suggesting he is not an athlete. This type of player doesn't run a 100 mph because they are in position, trust their team mates and understand tactics.
On the flip side, if a player is fast enough to out run everyone - he must be an athlete and have no soccer skills. This player may have the soccer skills, but in games speed and size are to his advantage and he uses them. I have seen kids in practices and camps that have some very good skills, but in games they just hit the jets and go.
In my opinion, labeling 11 year old players (or teams) one or the other is a bit silly. I think most of them are pretty athletic and most are working hard to improve their soccer skills. In the long run, successful players have to have all three things: skills, athleticism and brains/understanding.
Plantit is also correct that our boys have not hit puberty yet - walk your 99 player by good 96/97 team warming up - look at the difference in skill, communication, size, speed, and coordination... alot changes in the next couple of years.

Plantit, Sorry to disappoint you but all of the larger clubs actively seek out teams that can be brought in to replace some of their weaker teams. I am aware of this going on at this moment with two of the largest clubs. I cannot divulge details, but I seriously doubt that FCD is immune to that line of thinking. I do not know your director and my comments are not explicitly about your director, but I have heard the same public denials from directors at the same time that I know there to be ongoing private negotiations about acquiring teams. I suspect you'll understand more of what I am discussing after the spring season terminates. As for skill vs. athleticism, I never said that they were mutually exclusive. But I am saying that a very talented athlete with top 10% speed and agility will always be able to acquire skill more rapidly and have a higher ceiling than the other 90% of players. I have had the opportunity to meet NFL, NBA, and MLS players and that is exactly what they say. Often they "found" their sport late in adolescence and were able to bypass all of the other players in talent and skill because of their superior athleticism.