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99 End of the seaon shuffling. How do you see that happen ?

go99

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Re: 99 End of the seaon shuffling. How do you see that happen ?

go99 on Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:27 am

I don't see the big deal. If you can play, and want great coaching then I am sure you can take a spot on our team

. If you are on our team and want to leave, by all means do. I could recommend a couple of good teams and wish you the best. I don't believe in development by osmosis. This is just kid soccer, the teams and clubs have no rights to the players and I find it odd that people get so worked up because a kid decided to go somewhere else.

omega striker

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omega striker on Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:05 am

socmom3 wrote:
omega striker wrote:
P1er wrote:
OnTheSurface wrote:Starting June 1, you are allowed to practice with other teams without a release form. Prior to June 1, a release form is required. If you wish to play with another team in June (i.e. Tournaments) a release is required regardless.

My only advice for all of you is to make sure that you are having an ongoing dialogue with your coach. Even though nothing is etched in stone until July 1, if your coach is reasonable, you should be able to get a good feel as to whether your BB is on the bubble.

Always look out for numero uno and don't assume anything. Especially if you are a D1 team near the top, it's very cutthroat. Lots of parents want to be on a winning team, and coaches want to put together the winningest team they can. If this means last minute stealing kids from other teams, reneging on previous "gentlemens agreements", breaking hearts of 11 year old children, or whatever. That's life in NTX soccer, for better or worse.

PS: It goes both ways. Parents reneg on coaches just as much as the other way round.

Also, don't underestimate the overzealous parents with tight coach ties to start scouting players from other teams to join their BB's team. It's open season now! Keep an eye out for strangers...
I don't believe that! name one?

Believe it....have seen it happen in past years. It's ugly, but it happens!

that was might attempt at sarcasm!

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finish1 on Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:23 am

omega striker wrote:
socmom3 wrote:
omega striker wrote:
P1er wrote:
OnTheSurface wrote:Starting June 1, you are allowed to practice with other teams without a release form. Prior to June 1, a release form is required. If you wish to play with another team in June (i.e. Tournaments) a release is required regardless.

My only advice for all of you is to make sure that you are having an ongoing dialogue with your coach. Even though nothing is etched in stone until July 1, if your coach is reasonable, you should be able to get a good feel as to whether your BB is on the bubble.

Always look out for numero uno and don't assume anything. Especially if you are a D1 team near the top, it's very cutthroat. Lots of parents want to be on a winning team, and coaches want to put together the winningest team they can. If this means last minute stealing kids from other teams, reneging on previous "gentlemens agreements", breaking hearts of 11 year old children, or whatever. That's life in NTX soccer, for better or worse.

PS: It goes both ways. Parents reneg on coaches just as much as the other way round.

Also, don't underestimate the overzealous parents with tight coach ties to start scouting players from other teams to join their BB's team. It's open season now! Keep an eye out for strangers...
I don't believe that! name one?

Believe it....have seen it happen in past years. It's ugly, but it happens!
that was might attempt at sarcasm!

I agree. Don't get so worked up about it. Your team is going to look different next year. Lots of players will be on the move. Good luck to all the rest of this month.

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gababa on Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:52 am

omega striker wrote:
socmom3 wrote:
omega striker wrote:
P1er wrote:
OnTheSurface wrote:Starting June 1, you are allowed to practice with other teams without a release form. Prior to June 1, a release form is required. If you wish to play with another team in June (i.e. Tournaments) a release is required regardless.

My only advice for all of you is to make sure that you are having an ongoing dialogue with your coach. Even though nothing is etched in stone until July 1, if your coach is reasonable, you should be able to get a good feel as to whether your BB is on the bubble.

Always look out for numero uno and don't assume anything. Especially if you are a D1 team near the top, it's very cutthroat. Lots of parents want to be on a winning team, and coaches want to put together the winningest team they can. If this means last minute stealing kids from other teams, reneging on previous "gentlemens agreements", breaking hearts of 11 year old children, or whatever. That's life in NTX soccer, for better or worse.

PS: It goes both ways. Parents reneg on coaches just as much as the other way round.

Also, don't underestimate the overzealous parents with tight coach ties to start scouting players from other teams to join their BB's team. It's open season now! Keep an eye out for strangers...
I don't believe that! name one?

Believe it....have seen it happen in past years. It's ugly, but it happens!
that was might attempt at sarcasm!

I felt it Omega. 1 goal for you, 0 for Socmom

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CLUB31 on Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:14 pm

How many parents actually leave teams that qualify for D1 for the good of the kids development (i.e playing time ect..)and move to a lesser team in D2. Do you think any of them are thinking about their kids being on a D1 team at u15 and up as opposed to a D1 team at u12.
I am quite sure their are kids out their that are waiting in the wings that once they get a chance people will say where was he at U11.

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outtabounds on Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:33 pm

I've seen kids move down from D1 to D2 because they felt another team or coach was a better fit for their kid. D1 does not guarantee you a good coach, a group that works as a team, or the opportunity for your player to get better skilling and development.

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Pinknupe on Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:27 pm

Fees aer a lot fo rthe top D1 teams, I bet ya'll some good players will only move if they play for FREE. On the other hand, the travel gets pricey and that travel is triple the fees for clubs. Anyone know of clubs that pay free travel let me know cuz the economy is bad.

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oldcastle on Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:22 am

finish1 wrote:
omega striker wrote:
socmom3 wrote:
omega striker wrote:
P1er wrote:
OnTheSurface wrote:Starting June 1, you are allowed to practice with other teams without a release form. Prior to June 1, a release form is required. If you wish to play with another team in June (i.e. Tournaments) a release is required regardless.

My only advice for all of you is to make sure that you are having an ongoing dialogue with your coach. Even though nothing is etched in stone until July 1, if your coach is reasonable, you should be able to get a good feel as to whether your BB is on the bubble.

Always look out for numero uno and don't assume anything. Especially if you are a D1 team near the top, it's very cutthroat. Lots of parents want to be on a winning team, and coaches want to put together the winningest team they can. If this means last minute stealing kids from other teams, reneging on previous "gentlemens agreements", breaking hearts of 11 year old children, or whatever. That's life in NTX soccer, for better or worse.

PS: It goes both ways. Parents reneg on coaches just as much as the other way round.

Also, don't underestimate the overzealous parents with tight coach ties to start scouting players from other teams to join their BB's team. It's open season now! Keep an eye out for strangers...
I don't believe that! name one?

Believe it....have seen it happen in past years. It's ugly, but it happens!
that was might attempt at sarcasm!

I agree. Don't get so worked up about it. Your team is going to look different next year. Lots of players will be on the move. Good luck to all the rest of this month.

So where do you expect the biggest turnover to occur?

Which teams?

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Axxman on Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:10 pm

So many questions, such few answers......
Andro Sophmore Shuffle Explained
At Andromeda, we recruit 3 to 4 strong players who must prove their financial worthiness to the tune of $3Gs or so. Once they are proven to be financially sound, they guest play in tournaments to make sure they are not one of those bbs that can juggle 18,000 times, dribble like a mad dog, etc., and then disappear in the games. If all bbs pass, then we organize a big party at the Andromeda clubhouse that must be attended by all parents. All parents are required to have a minimum of 3 drinks so that we are certain that they fit in and all true feelings come out. If after a few hours all parents are still standing and getting along with nobody being escorted out, it's time to play musical chairs. 19 parents represent their bbs and only the quickest 16 are sent to the special room to sign their bbs life away for one long fun year.

Not sure about other clubs, but that's how Andromeda rolls.............................

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clueless on Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:40 pm

Axxman wrote:So many questions, such few answers......
Andro Sophmore Shuffle Explained
At Andromeda, we recruit 3 to 4 strong players who must prove their financial worthiness to the tune of $3Gs or so. Once they are proven to be financially sound, they guest play in tournaments to make sure they are not one of those bbs that can juggle 18,000 times, dribble like a mad dog, etc., and then disappear in the games. If all bbs pass, then we organize a big party at the Andromeda clubhouse that must be attended by all parents. All parents are required to have a minimum of 3 drinks so that we are certain that they fit in and all true feelings come out. If after a few hours all parents are still standing and getting along with nobody being escorted out, it's time to play musical chairs. 19 parents represent their bbs and only the quickest 16 are sent to the special room to sign their bbs life away for one long fun year.

Not sure about other clubs, but that's how Andromeda rolls.............................

You forgot the tattoo and subsequent tattoo removal if you don't get a seat the next year. Also, if you are taller than the Josema cut-out, you can't play for our teams.

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omega striker on Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:41 pm

Axxman wrote:So many questions, such few answers......
Andro Sophmore Shuffle Explained
At Andromeda, we recruit 3 to 4 strong players who must prove their financial worthiness to the tune of $3Gs or so. Once they are proven to be financially sound, they guest play in tournaments to make sure they are not one of those bbs that can juggle 18,000 times, dribble like a mad dog, etc., and then disappear in the games. If all bbs pass, then we organize a big party at the Andromeda clubhouse that must be attended by all parents. All parents are required to have a minimum of 3 drinks so that we are certain that they fit in and all true feelings come out. If after a few hours all parents are still standing and getting along with nobody being escorted out, it's time to play musical chairs. 19 parents represent their bbs and only the quickest 16 are sent to the special room to sign their bbs life away for one long fun year.

Not sure about other clubs, but that's how Andromeda rolls.............................

and don't forget the background check!! if you have a clean record then thats a mark against you!

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wareagle on Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:47 pm

How many kids will leave teams in Plano and Arlington for D1, 2, or 3 teams?

How many of those kids are good enough to play with a better team?

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THE NEEDLE on Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:53 pm

wareagle wrote:How many kids will leave teams in Plano and Arlington for D1, 2, or 3 teams?

How many of those kids are good enough to play with a better team?

10.23%

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wareagle on Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:57 pm

THE NEEDLE wrote:
wareagle wrote:How many kids will leave teams in Plano and Arlington for D1, 2, or 3 teams?

How many of those kids are good enough to play with a better team?

10.23%

I think you over estimate the play of the D1 kids. The top tier kids in APL and PPL are just as good as the majority of kids in Classic League.

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cornerkick96 on Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:05 pm

wareagle wrote:
THE NEEDLE wrote:
wareagle wrote:How many kids will leave teams in Plano and Arlington for D1, 2, or 3 teams?

How many of those kids are good enough to play with a better team?

10.23%

I think you over estimate the play of the D1 kids. The top tier kids in APL and PPL are just as good as the majority of kids in Classic League.

The top tier being about 10.23%. So your 2nd statement agrees with what Needle is saying. And your first statement is a generalization which is not supported by many tournament scores....

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go99 on Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:11 pm

Thats because a majority of the kids in D1 aren't that good and are riding on the coat tails of the talented few on their team. Other than those talented few the others can easily be replaced by other solid players or hopefully more talented ones. Being in D1 does not mean you are a better player, it only means that your team is. The question is what do you really bring to that team? Talent or a warm body and team fees

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wareagle on Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:15 pm

cornerkick96 wrote:
wareagle wrote:
THE NEEDLE wrote:
wareagle wrote:How many kids will leave teams in Plano and Arlington for D1, 2, or 3 teams?

How many of those kids are good enough to play with a better team?

10.23%

I think you over estimate the play of the D1 kids. The top tier kids in APL and PPL are just as good as the majority of kids in Classic League.

The top tier being about 10.23%. So your 2nd statement agrees with what Needle is saying. And your first statement is a generalization which is not supported by many tournament scores....

yes, my first statement was a generalization and I don't want to go look up tourney scores to try and prove my opinion. I also think the top tier in those leagues is deeper then 10.23%. Most teams have 2 to 3 kids that can really play, I would say the classic teams have 6 to 8.

Again, just my opinion.

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THE NEEDLE on Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:23 pm

wareagle wrote:
THE NEEDLE wrote:
wareagle wrote:How many kids will leave teams in Plano and Arlington for D1, 2, or 3 teams?

How many of those kids are good enough to play with a better team?

10.23%

I think you over estimate the play of the D1 kids. The top tier kids in APL and PPL are just as good as the majority of kids in Classic League.

I would agree that most APL or PPL teams have 1-2 players that are as good as the average D1 player.
Hence the 10% number I threw out. I whimsically added the .23.

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wareagle on Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:36 pm

THE NEEDLE wrote:
wareagle wrote:
THE NEEDLE wrote:
wareagle wrote:How many kids will leave teams in Plano and Arlington for D1, 2, or 3 teams?

How many of those kids are good enough to play with a better team?

10.23%

I think there are more then 1or 2. I would lean more to 2 or 3 which would be 15 to 20 percent. Just my opinion though, I watch a lot of Classic and APL games and I think most Classic teams would love to have 3 to 4 players from some ( not all ) of the APL teams.

The top three teams have 4 to 5 kids that can play. The bottom three teams all have one maybe two.

I think you over estimate the play of the D1 kids. The top tier kids in APL and PPL are just as good as the majority of kids in Classic League.

I would agree that most APL or PPL teams have 1-2 players that are as good as the average D1 player.
Hence the 10% number I threw out. I whimsically added the .23.

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wareagle on Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:38 pm

Sorry, I got that out of order on the iPhone....

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halfbaked on Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:21 pm

THE NEEDLE wrote:
wareagle wrote:
THE NEEDLE wrote:
wareagle wrote:How many kids will leave teams in Plano and Arlington for D1, 2, or 3 teams?

How many of those kids are good enough to play with a better team?

10.23%

I think you over estimate the play of the D1 kids. The top tier kids in APL and PPL are just as good as the majority of kids in Classic League.

I would agree that most APL or PPL teams have 1-2 players that are as good as the average D1 player.
Hence the 10% number I threw out. I whimsically added the .23.

Remove the "scholarship" players from the top four D1 teams and you have a D2 team. Take a top D2 team and give them the top D1's "scholarship" players and you have the new league champions

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bootit on Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:08 am

halfbaked wrote:
THE NEEDLE wrote:
wareagle wrote:
THE NEEDLE wrote:
wareagle wrote:How many kids will leave teams in Plano and Arlington for D1, 2, or 3 teams?

How many of those kids are good enough to play with a better team?

10.23%

I think you over estimate the play of the D1 kids. The top tier kids in APL and PPL are just as good as the majority of kids in Classic League.

I would agree that most APL or PPL teams have 1-2 players that are as good as the average D1 player.
Hence the 10% number I threw out. I whimsically added the .23.

Remove the "scholarship" players from the top four D1 teams and you have a D2 team. Take a top D2 team and give them the top D1's "scholarship" players and you have the new league champions

Not sure where you are getting these facts from or if you're referring to a specific age group, but from my experience there is on average only about 2 scholarship players on each top four D1 team. I certainly wouldn't say if you threw out the scholarship player or two that these teams would fall to D2. Most clubs cannot even afford to pay for these players and the burden falls on the parents of the paying parents.
Also in my experience an unacceptable amount of these scholarship players are able to afford it on their own but are taking advantage of a free handout. It's obvious when you come across those who truly couldn't play without the free lunch and those you see pulling up in their nice cars or strutting their new cameras or camcorders around to the games. I even know of a couple whose homes were worth more than the coaches!

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go99 on Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:23 am

LMFAO. Have 2 scholorships on our team but the club pays. There is no way I would have payed extra for another kid to play.

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clueless on Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:02 am

go99 wrote:LMFAO. Have 2 scholorships on our team but the club pays. There is no way I would have payed extra for another kid to play.

How would you know if you are paying for them or not? For most teams, it's built into their dues.
I'd agree that there are 'D1 caliber' players on D3 or even Plano teams - at age 11 - but, within the next 2 years, it's less likely. A top player can make the difference between D2 and D1 for quite a while, depending on who the player is and how dominant he might be.
Go watch D1 vs D2 games for U12 and up - it's night and day. The top players standout like sore thumbs on the D2 teams, not so obvious (unless there is an obvious speed/size difference) in many D1 games.
Those buying into the 'we are working on developing a team that will be great later' often see those who developed first leaving. The top teams continue to develop (and recruit) and usually stay there - look at every age group - it's a handful of teams/clubs.
At age 14, I'd say there 'might' be 2-3 players in APL/PPL that are D1 caliber (not top team, but probably capable of contributing). Take the weakest player on a D1 U14 team and I seriously doubt they wouldn't be the top player on any given APL/PPL team. I don't watch many games, only see an occassional PPL team in tournaments and the difference is not only depth, but it's also skill level and athleticism. The pressure to move to a better team plucks them out of APL/PPL after U11/U12 IMO - rare is the kid who stays with the team.

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gababa on Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:25 am

I agree, now there are some sleeping gems also. Yesterday made me so sad : I was watching my old rec team with a kid that I use to coach back in U8, U9 first season of U10. They are now u11 still playing rec (my boy had to leave obviously). So the team is obviously rec but there is that kid that has always been good. Left foot, super incredibly fast, very nice composure, able to play outside and inside of the foot, controlling the ball in order to play it correctly, able to make cuts in traffic,able to shoot perfectly. This kid is better than 90% of those D1 players, he never had any coaching (he, he I told you I was his coach Smile

) , never took skills, never did anything. As a coach I had tried so many times to get him involved in soccer but parents don't care about soccer, in their mind he is a football wide receiver and they keep him fit with soccer during the off season. Watching him I just wanted to cry...

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THE NEEDLE on Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:55 am

go99 wrote:LMFAO. Have 2 scholorships on our team but the club pays. There is no way I would have payed extra for another kid to play.

You are part of the club so whether you know it or not you are helping to pay

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go99 on Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:36 am

Actually I know what the standard fee was. Had I been asked to pay more than that I would have refused and just found somewhere else to play.

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soccerdad1 on Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:13 pm

There is no such thing as a free lunch-most clubs that give scholarships have it built in to the fees somehow,someway-or the coach takes a hit on his salary. I also know that some clubs will form a 2nd or 3rd team for the same age group just to collect dues from the paying parents and fill the roster with several scholarships just to form a team (unfortunately I learned this out the hard way several years ago with my 1st BB). What club and or team are you with go99?

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go99 on Wed Apr 07, 2010 2:08 pm

Lol FCD and I believe there is room for 1 scholorship from the club and after that it comes from the coaches salary. Unless he can convince some hapless parents into paying for it.

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oldcastle on Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:32 pm

So the season is over.
Where is the movement? in D1? in D2?
Where's the shuffle?
Someone mentioned you'll start seeing 'strangers', it's happening already.
Anyone know how this happened last year or the one before that? the 98s the 97s?

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Re: 99 End of the seaon shuffling. How do you see that happen ?

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99 End of the seaon shuffling. How do you see that happen ?